Line Combos: 2016-2017 Kings Roster
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just wait man these over ready bottom 6 prospects are going to totally make up for the bad asset management in lucic and sekera... shore has been boring and an offensive blackhole so he can tear it up this year pulling a fast one on the sport.
The Tikkanen
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That is very true about my ability. I`m usually see things going younger and ignore the facts, i believe most of HF boards writers do so and honestly value your opinion. Just trying to see what other people see things and create conversation.
Reaper45
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I still think it's Clifford. When the cap is so tight it doesn't make sense to have a 4th liner making over 1.5 million. All of Nolan, Andreoff and Latta make under a million.
Gaborik-Kopitar-Purcell
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
King-Lewis-Brown
Andreoff-Latta-Nolan
Dowd, Shore
Andreoff-Latta-Nolan in against heavy teams or you run
Andreoff-Dowd-Shore against softer teams. Win win. And if Mersch forces his way in, you look at moving King.
I agree and think there are couple things why. Clifford is making too much for what he gives back and the concussion issues also plus i think DL thought it would be a sweet deal by now and he is very young so he has most value of any player from our bottom six
KingCanadain1976
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Losing Clifford makes us a softer team Lets not forget we lost lucic who lead us in hits. Next greene doesn't look like he s going to make the kings this year. If we lose clifford the only real hitting forward is brown
Raccoon Jesus
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i know you were being facetious but I wouldn't be shocked to see one of them break out. Shore looked like he was right on the verge of good things several times. I'm not saying count on it, but the guy is a damn good defensive player and certainly at least a dependable fourth liner that has had the IQ to score at lower levels (because it's not like he was running around dangling and sniping). I wouldn't be shocked to see third line production.
Sutter plays 4 lines 5 vs 5 pretty equally , and only late 2 and 3 period he plays more lines 1-3 so for that i think bottom 6 players aren`t scoring enough.
But he wins everytime when Clifford-Shore-Nolan plays against Toews-Kane etc and after line change its 0-0.
But he wins everytime when Clifford-Shore-Nolan plays against Toews-Kane etc and after line change its 0-0.
Reaper45
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KingCanadain1976
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Nolan has a bad back i wouldn't count on him throwing many hits. ANdy i agree. Latta has to make this team and i don't see him beating out dowd or shore. Tough is one thing throwing hits and playing physical is another
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Lewis hits more per game than Clifford but yes i get your point but you win some and lose some. Less hits more cap, Greene played 34minutes last year.
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KingCanadain1976
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Clifford was top 10 in the league in hits when he last played a full season He is always in the top 3 on the kings in hits when he plays a full season. I bring up greene because when he did play hes always among the leaders in hits on the kings. I think the kings would lose more then some if they get rid of the physical play of clifford
Kyle Clifford 2014-2015 GP 80 39th in hits 9th in Kings player
Kyle Clifford 2013-2014 GP 71 45th in hits 4th in Kings player
Kyle Clifford 2012-2013 GP 44 9th in hits 4th in Kings player
Kyle Clifford 2011-2012 GP 81 42th in hits 3th in Kings player
Kyle Clifford 2010-2011 GP 76 93th in hits 5th in Kings player
"If the goal is to use 4 lines in order so everybody gets the max rest, you do two things, at least.
First, you give up the idea of matching forward lines against your opponent. You don’t care. You have your order, and you let the opponent match however they want. This means your 4th line must be able to defend. And since talent costs money, whether it’s D talent or O talent, you have a bit less to spend on top guys because you need competent 4th liners to play 10 to 13 minutes a night against whomever the other coach wants.
So Clifford sees Getzlaf or whoever, Nolan, or Mersch, or anybody, sees Toews or Kane, or anybody…
Your 4th line must hold it’s own. If they break even, it’s a win. Now we glimpse the need for balance on the 4th line to include at least one solid checker, plus a solid defending Center. While Salary Cap may prevent 4 lines of scoring, it cannot be allowed to prevent 4 lines of defense."
I highly recommend you to read this site:http://holdthepoint.com/2016/08/22/sutters-kings-all-method-no-madness/#more-3286
This is reason i would also like to have good 3-4th line and reason why its not easy to just come and play in Kings and under Sutter. This is why there is no reason to believe that we can have 4 rookies coming on one year. Having a AHL team so close and playing same way is so important.
Sutter plays offence, Stevens plays defence, it is more likely to have "rookies" there playing than in offence under Sutter.
First, you give up the idea of matching forward lines against your opponent. You don’t care. You have your order, and you let the opponent match however they want. This means your 4th line must be able to defend. And since talent costs money, whether it’s D talent or O talent, you have a bit less to spend on top guys because you need competent 4th liners to play 10 to 13 minutes a night against whomever the other coach wants.
So Clifford sees Getzlaf or whoever, Nolan, or Mersch, or anybody, sees Toews or Kane, or anybody…
Your 4th line must hold it’s own. If they break even, it’s a win. Now we glimpse the need for balance on the 4th line to include at least one solid checker, plus a solid defending Center. While Salary Cap may prevent 4 lines of scoring, it cannot be allowed to prevent 4 lines of defense."
I highly recommend you to read this site:http://holdthepoint.com/2016/08/22/sutters-kings-all-method-no-madness/#more-3286
This is reason i would also like to have good 3-4th line and reason why its not easy to just come and play in Kings and under Sutter. This is why there is no reason to believe that we can have 4 rookies coming on one year. Having a AHL team so close and playing same way is so important.
Sutter plays offence, Stevens plays defence, it is more likely to have "rookies" there playing than in offence under Sutter.
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mrkolice
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this data might be useful for the discussion, lak line production in 2015/16, even strength
(copy paste via http://dobberhockey.com/ )
Points - On Ice Line Combination
42 carter - lucic - toffoli
38 kopitar - lucic - toffoli
16 gaborik - kopitar - pearson
11 lecavalier - lewis - pearson
10 brown - kopitar - lucic
10 kopitar - lucic - versteeg
10 kopitar - lucic - pearson
9 carter - king - toffoli
9 brown - kopitar - pearson
etc
5 carter - pearson - toffoli
etc
it seems the main question is: lucic is no more and how to fill the gap.
i pray gaborik will be fit to play in top6, his consistency (or inconsistency) could become one single crucial factor for the whole season.
(copy paste via http://dobberhockey.com/ )
Points - On Ice Line Combination
42 carter - lucic - toffoli
38 kopitar - lucic - toffoli
16 gaborik - kopitar - pearson
11 lecavalier - lewis - pearson
10 brown - kopitar - lucic
10 kopitar - lucic - versteeg
10 kopitar - lucic - pearson
9 carter - king - toffoli
9 brown - kopitar - pearson
etc
5 carter - pearson - toffoli
etc
it seems the main question is: lucic is no more and how to fill the gap.
i pray gaborik will be fit to play in top6, his consistency (or inconsistency) could become one single crucial factor for the whole season.
mrkolice
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plus toi data from last season for looch, 5v5
toi 1212.03
with toffoli 56.3%
with kopitar 53.2%
with carter 46.2%
with brown 14.6%
(source: http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_time...+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28 )
toi 1212.03
with toffoli 56.3%
with kopitar 53.2%
with carter 46.2%
with brown 14.6%
(source: http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_time...+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28 )
I think it would need something to happen so we actually need cap space to Clifford to be traded it`s easier to just say trade Nolan. If Clifford has a normal year his 1,6mil AAV looks good, he is really good player to have in 4th line.
I hope DL is trying to solve top 4 D. We need RHD to play with Martinez or with McNabb and have Muzzin back next to Doughty but it might cost young forward like Pearson. Vegas is coming so it could mean to trade Martinez or McNabb to get RHD in return.
Minor Boarding
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I think I should give JACK DANIEL DISTILLERY LYNCHBURG a call to stock up for the upcoming season...
Seriously tho, by mid-season I expect Doughty and Kopitar will need infusions regularly, because I already see the minutes they will play will be ridiculous...
I hope Toffoli shows some consistency and can handle a few more shifts per game and I hope Pearson manages to stay healthy and adds to his game...
I'm not sure what the idea will be between Gilbert, Greene, Scuderi but I really hope they won't be regulars with all due respect to what their brought in the past and everything...
Lewis centering the 3rd line with Brown? That's something I wouldn't put my money on lasting more then a few games... Miracles do happen here and there so...
Minor Boarding
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Their stride got weaker with age and so did their quickness, there's no diet to fix to what even at their peak weren't good skaters.
And while I don't wanna be all negative I have to say that they are the prime candidates for spending a lot of time in the penalty box watching other people kill penalties...
And they both passed through waivers and I highly doubt there is any interest around the league for them at this point of their careers...
They used to be great and beloved as Kings, no issues about their past achievements/contributions to the team. It's time to move on...
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Definitely in lineup:
Gaborik 933
Brown 884
Carter 795
Kopitar 764
Purcell 559
Lewis 424
Clifford 412
Toffoli 230
King 285
Pearson 146
Add 4 players from this group:
Nolan 246
Latta 113
Shore 102
Andreoff 78
Mersch 17
Dowd 5
Definitely in lineup:
Doughty 606
Martinez 337
Muzzin 290
McNabb 189
Add 3 players from this group:
Scuderi 783
Gilbert 637
Greene 589
Trotman 67
Forbort 14
Gravel 5
Number after the player is how many games he has played in NHL
Waiver exempt
Gaborik 933
Brown 884
Carter 795
Kopitar 764
Purcell 559
Lewis 424
Clifford 412
Toffoli 230
King 285
Pearson 146
Add 4 players from this group:
Nolan 246
Latta 113
Shore 102
Andreoff 78
Mersch 17
Dowd 5
Definitely in lineup:
Doughty 606
Martinez 337
Muzzin 290
McNabb 189
Add 3 players from this group:
Scuderi 783
Gilbert 637
Greene 589
Trotman 67
Forbort 14
Gravel 5
Number after the player is how many games he has played in NHL
Waiver exempt
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mrkolice
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posts on this thread, this one included:
- use: 46
- not use: 55
boy, you're making a lot of sense, but please allow some air.
- use: 46
- not use: 55
boy, you're making a lot of sense, but please allow some air.
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