OT: 2016-2017 Boston Celtics/NBA Thread
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Ten Thousand Hours
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Players will sign where the money is. Jeremy Lin and Tyler Johnson are both pretty good. Booker and Allen Crabbe are decent. They all signed with Brooklyn, even though Johnson and Crabbe's offer sheets got matched (DMo too, but he's not decent).
I doubt Brooklyn wants Millsap though. If they continue to do what they've done under Marks, they'll look for younger, rising talent. Otto Porter would be the best they can get, but even if he signs a max, Washington should match.
Mr Cartmenez
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The Nets are IMO very unlikely to be considered by the top shelve FAs, they get max money anyway. Secondary FAs are possible, but if they are restricted, most teams will likely match anything.
And quite frankly the Nets would be stupid to sign free agents in order to be only "below average" just for the sake of spoiling our fun. They are better off bottoming out when they get their own picks back.
I mean Marks might think about a quick fix...rebuild on the fly like we did, but that was more luck than anything. We had the BKN picks in the back pocket and got a steal in IT4. Those type of deals don't come around very often.
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What's the argument for Jordan Mickey over Sullinger?
Sullinger doesn't have to start or play every day. But I think we actually miss him on defense a lot. Atlanta used to defend pick-and-rolls entirely different from the way we normally do. Horford is used to hedging or even blitzing and is still adjusting to zoning up like we do more often and he's not great on switches (not that Sully is either). Horford also doesn't communicate as well as Sully.
Sully can help our defense, without hurting our offense, the way Bogut would.
And that doesn't even get to the main reason we'd benefit from having him. We'd have beaten the Knicks in January if we had one guy who could keep Hernangomez and O'Quinn off the boards.
I think we might get Jones instead, and that's fine, but we should get one of them. Mickey has run his course.
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22Brad Park
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Danny ainge should of added a rebounder.This team will not make it past Toronto now let alone Cleveland. I hear how great Ainge is but he let everyone down not adding a bit of help.How many frggen picks you need????????? LEADING BY 17 AND LOSE BY 10 THERE IS SOMETHING MISSING.REBOUNDING
Gator Mike
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The Celtics don't hang Eastern Conference Finalist banners.
If a trade doesn't get you past Cleveland, why mortgage a piece of your future?
22Brad Park
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Yea we will see.Need to resign guys and wait on the picks to mature . Cleveland is going to have a hard time with Toronto now.
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Gator Mike
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Serge Ibaka and PJ Tucker are going to swing the balance of power in the East?
Are you serious?
22Brad Park
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They give the Raptors a rotation now where they can avoid foul issues .They took the game tonite vs Celtics missing Lowry for crying out loud.When your deep now like Raptors they will be tough.Valentuinas or whatever only played 14 mins too
Ten Thousand Hours
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I was at the game tonight, I could tell the lead wasn't safe. Thomas was having too much trouble getting to the net & Horford was a no show. But I don't get to watch many Celtics game live, & my wife & I and my step-daughter had lots of fun. ( First time for them ).
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Rotations dont matter in the playoffs outside of 9 guys. Sure Ibaka and Tucker may improve Toronto's top 9, but Cleveland still have the 3 best players on the court walking out there with Lebron/Love/Irving against any team in the east.
That is the long and short of it. It wasnt worth trading away picks on rentals/guys like Ibaka who weren't going to move the needle enough in the short term.
Toronto and Dwayne Casey are going as far as playing a series against CLE and no further.
Gator Mike
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And when the playoffs roll around, starters play 40+ minutes/game, rotations are shortened, and fewer fouls are called.
The Raptors gave up three picks and a rotation guy... and they're still not gonna beat Cleveland.
scoreboard:
Raptors defeat C's 107-97; in Detroit Sunday 6pm (CSN);
D-League: Claws hold off Swarm IN Inaugural meeting in Greensboro, 120-109; @ Canton Sunday @ 3pm; Abdel Nader triple-double
Raptors defeat C's 107-97; in Detroit Sunday 6pm (CSN);
D-League: Claws hold off Swarm IN Inaugural meeting in Greensboro, 120-109; @ Canton Sunday @ 3pm; Abdel Nader triple-double
22Brad Park
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In a grueling 7 game series Toronto has a deep bench I think Cleveland has some depth issues this year.Love is out 6 weeks to after surgery. Would it be a big time upset still? Sure would. But at least they are trying.Boston rolled over and showed no faith in their team.Ainge basically said as much as to why he never aquured help referring to better teams with star power .If not for the Brooklyn GM being a complete fool where would Celtics really be?I think that deal was more them being stupid then Ainge being brilliant.
Gator Mike
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I don't blame the Raptors for taking their shot.
But you need to recognize that Toronto and Boston are in very different places. Lowry's gonna opt out after this season, and they'll have to max him out to keep him, which means they'll be over the cap. If they want to keep Ibaka, they'll be in luxury tax territory with only 10 players under contract and no draft picks. Carroll and Lowry are both 30 years old already.
In other words, there's a good chance THIS is Toronto's best chance at getting to the Finals. You could make the case that after this season, Toronto's window of opportunity starts to close - especially when you consider the position the Celtics are in.
No one got traded at the deadline that pushes the Celtics past Cleveland. And if you can't get past Cleveland, what's the point of sacrificing part of your future?
It's not showing a lack of faith - it's evaluating your team honestly and reacting accordingly.
Mr Cartmenez
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There is no point. Panic moves are only made by GMs who have no job security. Look at all those stupid moves (especially Ibaka) by the Magic' GM.
The window of this team has not opened yet and Danny refuses to give up assets in order to win 1-2 more games. And yes, I view even 2nd rounders as assets. You can always struck gold and get a Draymond, Jokic or our own IT.
It's also conceivable that Stevens didn't demand new players just for the sake of being buyers and adding depth.
Us not being heavily involved in the Cousins, Ibaka and Noel sweepstakes goes to show that Danny has a plan in the off-season and I would be shocked if that plan wasn't named Hayward/Griffin. Lots of rumors for both players in the recent past.
Good for Toronto for going for it. But they basically didn't have many options (unlike us). Let's see if it works out, but I still don't see them getting past Cleveland. To be honest I actually like Washington better. Maybe because the Wiz are the flavor of the month, but they may be built for a playoff run as they appear to be healthy. Strong S5 and their weakness (lack of depth) will have less time of being exposed, because of the extended minutes for the starters in the playoffs.
And thank god they went after Bogdanovic instead of Williams.
Gator Mike
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Can't believe people are unhappy with a plan that includes adding a max contract player plus a Top 4 draft pick.
KnightofBoston
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Ibaka likely re-signs in Toronto. Tucker is a pure rental. The Raptors gave up nothing outside of Ross and a late 1st for those 2. Two 2nd's and Sullinger basically for Tucker and Ibaka, yes please.
Tucker, Ibaka for Ross, Sullinger, 1st round pick, two 2nd round picks. You wouldn't have done that?
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