OT: 2016-2017 Boston Celtics/NBA Thread

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BostonBob

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It's total " fantasyland " stuff but CBS Sports takes a look at some possible moves the Celtics could make with all of their available trade chips.


from cbssports.com:

The situation in Boston was very nearly remarkably different.

In ESPN's in-depth feature on how the Warriors landed Kevin Durant, Ramona Shelburne reported that many league sources feel that if the Warriors had won the NBA Finals, when they dropped a 3-1 lead to the Cavaliers last June, Durant would not have gone to the Bay. Instead, those executives feel Durant would have signed with the Celtics, another team that hosted Durant in the Hamptons that fateful Fourth of July weekend.

Had Durant made such a decision, of course much in the NBA universe would have shifted. The Warriors likely keep much of the team from last season together, making another run with the same core that had the best NBA regular-season record in NBA history. And Boston would have immediately shot to the forefront of the Eastern Conference, in direct competition with the Cavaliers.

In this scenario, there would be serious debate about which team would win the East, even with the dominance of LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love, as the Celtics would counter not only with three All-Stars of their own in Durant, Al Horford (who likely would have joined the Celtics anyway) and Isaiah Thomas, but a supporting core with players like Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart and the surprisingly capable Kelly Olynyk.

But that isn't what happened, obviously. Durant joined the superteam in Golden State, because joining a team that won 73 games is clearly not front-running because they lost in Game 7 of the NBA Finals when their megastar was hobbled and their starting center was out.

The Celtics, instead, remain stuck on that second tier. Boston lost to the Raptors, again, on Tuesday, going to 0-2 vs. the team they were supposed to topple for the spot-of "biggest threat to the Cavs in the East," which is kind of like the award for "most annoying mosquito on the elephant's back." Boston was without Bradley in that loss, a running theme for the Celtics this season. They haven't notched a win vs. one of the top teams in either conference, but then, they haven't been fully healthy for nearly any of those matchups, either. One of Boston's big advantages this season was supposed to be depth, but like a lot of teams, that depth is reliant on players being played in their role, not being asked to play above themselves when key starters go down.

And that big trade hangs out there, still.

Boston has arguably the best set of trade assets available. Basically, Boston is the Cheesecake Factory of trade partners. Whatever you want, it's on the menu.


Full story here: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...the-best-hand-and-heres-how-they-can-play-it/
 

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Just like the other night. On road against good team. In control and then a struggle to close out the game. This time a w. Progress.
 

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I get that basketball is a game of a team going on runs, but this team just can't seem to close out games late. No reason the Hawks should have ever gotten back into that game like they did last night.

Lack of a rebounder is killing them.
 

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Well played game against the Hornets. IT went off in the 4th again...this guy is truly something else. He's already top 5 in several MVP rankings.

In other news, the Cavs getting curb stomped by the Dubs. At least KD is happy, I guess...zero respect left for that guy
 

BostonBob

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For The Love Of God Danny - Don't Even Think About It !!!!!

With all the dissension right now in New York CBS Sports took a look at some possible Carmelo Anthony deals. One of their proposals had Boston sending Amir Johnson, Tyler Zeller, Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart and Brooklyn's 2018 1st round pick to NY for Carmelo Anthony and Courtney Lee. I think it's a laughable proposal but am interested in the opinions of other Celtic fans.


from cbssports.com:

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Plus the Nets' 2018 first-round pick. (Boston retains swap rights to its 2017 pick.)


Boston's thought process: Celtics fans, I hear you hissing. I do. Put your pitchforks down and just hear me out a second. Think about what you're not giving up here. You keep the 2017 Nets pick and still get to take a top-three player in this June's draft. You keep Avery Bradley. You keep both your All-Stars, Isaiah Thomas and Al Horford. You only send one pick. Yes, it's hard to let go of Smart. Yes, it's harder to let go of Crowder. And yes, this fails to solve your defensive issues and could exacerbate them.

But here's what the benefits are:

1. It's an available star. Those just don't come very often. There aren't any real stars available otherwise. If the choice is "Melo or continue to be a doormat for the Cavaliers and possibly not even reach the Conference finals," then you have to weigh how much you're willing to be sub-elite with the team you have now. By the way, as I wrote here, there's a time crunch. Bradley and Thomas are both up at the end of next season, along with Smart. This gets you a guy under contract now.

2. He's a high-level crunch-time scorer. The Celtics have Mr. Fourth Quarter Isaiah Thomas (even though they are actually outscored per 100 possessions in the fourth with him on the floor and are way better with him off), but at 5-feet-9, in a playoff environment, there has to be some concern about his ability to navigate the trees. If nothing else, Anthony provides a weapon to keep the spacing up and draw gravity away from Thomas. The Celtics' offense is already great, but there's regular-season scoring and there's crunch-time, half-court possession basketball. Melo would help them in that regard.

3. The culture and system could make the most of him. The Celtics have been bad defensively this season, but we know there's a good defensive team in there; there were top-five last season. If they can get back to that level of play, and just get buy-in from Anthony, that could be enough to make them playoff dangerous. And if anyone can get Anthony to buy in and sacrifice the way he never has, Brad Stevens and Danny Ainge should be the ones, right? Maybe a call from Paul Pierce to grease the wheels a bit?


Full story here: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/8...carmelo-anthony-honey-were-moving-to-memphis/
 

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That offer is even beyond laughable. That's a proposal I wouldn't even expect from the biggest Knicks-homer alive. First of all, the BKN 18 pick is probably more valuable than this years. There will be multiple top big man available and the outlook of the Nets is not looking all that great.
And Crowder + Smart on top of that for overpaid and declining Melo?

Again, brutal scenario. That's a framework deal for a Butler/DMC/PG type and not Melo!

On another note, BKN lost (11 in a row) and Miami won against Houston. This is getting better by the day.
 

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Nets lose, Heat win against the Rockets. 538 now projects the Nets to be ten games worse than the 2nd worst team in the NBA by the end of the year (Heat and streaking 6ers tied for 2nd worst, but I expect the 6ers to continue improving).

The plus side is we're basically guaranteed to have the most ping pong balls and a 25% shot at the first overall pick.

The downside is there won't be much suspense. It's been fun following the tank up close.
 

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Nets lose, Heat win against the Rockets. 538 now projects the Nets to be ten games worse than the 2nd worst team in the NBA by the end of the year (Heat and streaking 6ers tied for 2nd worst, but I expect the 6ers to continue improving).

The plus side is we're basically guaranteed to have the most ping pong balls and a 25% shot at the first overall pick.

The downside is there won't be much suspense. It's been fun following the tank up close.

The celtics are way way way way overdue for some luck in the lottery too.

This could be the year they land a top tier player like Fultz or Ball.
 

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That offer is even beyond laughable. That's a proposal I wouldn't even expect from the biggest Knicks-homer alive. First of all, the BKN 18 pick is probably more valuable than this years. There will be multiple top big man available and the outlook of the Nets is not looking all that great.
And Crowder + Smart on top of that for overpaid and declining Melo?

I think it's beyond horrible even without adding the Brooklyn pick. :shakehead
 

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with all the dissension right now in new york cbs sports took a look at some possible carmelo anthony deals. One of their proposals had boston sending amir johnson, tyler zeller, jae crowder, marcus smart and brooklyn's 2018 1st round pick to ny for carmelo anthony and courtney lee. I think it's a laughable proposal but am interested in the opinions of other celtic fans.


from cbssports.com:

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plus the nets' 2018 first-round pick. (boston retains swap rights to its 2017 pick.)
boston's thought process: celtics fans, i hear you hissing. I do. Put your pitchforks down and just hear me out a second. Think about what you're not giving up here. You keep the 2017 nets pick and still get to take a top-three player in this june's draft. You keep avery bradley. You keep both your all-stars, isaiah thomas and al horford. You only send one pick. Yes, it's hard to let go of smart. Yes, it's harder to let go of crowder. And yes, this fails to solve your defensive issues and could exacerbate them.

But here's what the benefits are:

1. It's an available star. those just don't come very often. There aren't any real stars available otherwise. If the choice is "melo or continue to be a doormat for the cavaliers and possibly not even reach the conference finals," then you have to weigh how much you're willing to be sub-elite with the team you have now. By the way, as i wrote here, there's a time crunch. Bradley and thomas are both up at the end of next season, along with smart. This gets you a guy under contract now.

2. He's a high-level crunch-time scorer. the celtics have mr. Fourth quarter isaiah thomas (even though they are actually outscored per 100 possessions in the fourth with him on the floor and are way better with him off), but at 5-feet-9, in a playoff environment, there has to be some concern about his ability to navigate the trees. If nothing else, anthony provides a weapon to keep the spacing up and draw gravity away from thomas. The celtics' offense is already great, but there's regular-season scoring and there's crunch-time, half-court possession basketball. Melo would help them in that regard.

3. The culture and system could make the most of him. the celtics have been bad defensively this season, but we know there's a good defensive team in there; there were top-five last season. If they can get back to that level of play, and just get buy-in from anthony, that could be enough to make them playoff dangerous. And if anyone can get anthony to buy in and sacrifice the way he never has, brad stevens and danny ainge should be the ones, right? Maybe a call from paul pierce to grease the wheels a bit?


Full story here: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/8...carmelo-anthony-honey-were-moving-to-memphis/

Anthony is a cancer.Celts should try and grab Bogut for rebounding.STRONG CHANCE NETS FINISH DEAD LAST THIS YEAR.
 

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breaking D-League update

Iowa Energy will become new affiliate of Minnesota Timberwolves, Memphis awarded expansion to begin next season in Southhaven, MS (Likely co-tenancy with MISSISSIPPI Riverkings (SPHL)
 

22Brad Park

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Celtics need to get help rebounding and guys like Olynyck need to get away from the 3 pt line and start helping under basket etc .I watched that last game and shot selections were brutal.8 pt lead and settling for long 3 attempts.Attack The Basket when leading to get them in foul trouble.
 
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