Proposal: 2016-17 Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread Part X

[SpezDispenser]

They'll also revolt if he trades what he needs to trade to get that piece ie Chabot+1st+roster player. Can't please everybody. This team is on the right track. We're solidly (due to games in hand) in an Atlantic Div playoff spot while overplaying a goalie who MTL couldn't win with last year. We're also doing it on an extreme budget. When you account for MacArthur technically being out, the only team with a lower cap than us in the league is the Carolina Hurricanes.

If a trade comes up that lets us add the right guy, we should do it. But there's no reason to force things and in turn make a bad trade. This off season is going to be the worst one if you're looking to add talent. There'll be an extra team, and it'll cause havoc by taking a decent player from most teams rosters. This upcoming summer is the definition of a seller's market. So I wouldn't get your hopes up about Dorion being able to add a big piece.

There's a catch-22 for sure. Chabot looks like the kind of player you put with Karlsson for the next decade, White looks like the 2C you trot out there in every scenario and Brown, although he has question marks, looks like the prototypical behemoth C with soft hands.

If we didn't have a decent, young roster already patience would be preached, but I think you need to at least investigate Duchene and see if you can pry him away without giving up White or Chabot. And if not, there must be some other candidates we don't know about.

Your point is fair though, I waffle back and forth on trading some of the youth a lot, especially considering they're close(ish) to coming in and helping.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If there was no expansion draft I think it would be easier to dangle ceci or chabot (it's still easy for me to dangle ceci)

 

[Sting]

It makes no sense to trade Chabot, White or Brown at this point.

Literally the only hope of Ottawa becoming a contender is if 2 of those 3 players become stars. That's also hoping that 1-2 of Dahlen, Jaros, Englund, Perron, 1st round pick 2017 etc pan out.

If we were to trade White, a 1st and a roster player for Duchene (which I'm not even sure Colorado accepts) we're still not a contender.

There are at least 5-6 positions that need to be replaced with star/quality talent for us to have a shot in my opinion. Therefore the best bet is to be patient and hope they pan out. If they don't, you sell off and repeat. Our mentality of going half-in for the past 10 years has not worked out well for us.

 

[HSF]

It makes no sense to trade Chabot, White or Brown at this point.

Literally the only hope of Ottawa becoming a contender is if 2 of those 3 players become stars. That's also hoping that 1-2 of Dahlen, Jaros, Englund, Perron, 1st round pick 2017 etc pan out.

If we were to trade White, a 1st and a roster player for Duchene (which I'm not even sure Colorado accepts) we're still not a contender.

There are at least 5-6 positions that need to be replaced with star/quality talent for us to have a shot in my opinion. Therefore the best bet is to be patient and hope they pan out. If they don't, you sell off and repeat. Our mentality of going half-in for the past 10 years has not worked out well for us.

It makes a lot of sense when they have high value

White makes the most sense to move then Brown if we can get a top line forward

 

[BankStreetParade]

it makes no sense to trade chabot, white or brown at this point.

Literally the only hope of ottawa becoming a contender is if 2 of those 3 players become stars. That's also hoping that 1-2 of dahlen, jaros, englund, perron, 1st round pick 2017 etc pan out.

If we were to trade white, a 1st and a roster player for duchene (which i'm not even sure colorado accepts) we're still not a contender.

there are at least 5-6 positions that need to be replaced with star/quality talent for us to have a shot in my opinion. Therefore the best bet is to be patient and hope they pan out. If they don't, you sell off and repeat. Our mentality of going half-in for the past 10 years has not worked out well for us.

say what?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It makes a lot of sense when they have high value

White makes the most sense to move then Brown if we can get a top line forward

What's the rational behind this?

 

[HSF]

What's the rational behind this?

He is a right shooting center with decent offensive upside. There isnt much space and if we can bring in someone like Duchene then a guy like White will have to fit into the bottom like Lazar.

Chabot is the only one who has a real chance at a top 4 role cause the expansion draft might make us lose someone like Meth

 

[Sens Vader]

it will be pretty interesting to see what Duchene/Landeskog will get, but I personally would not trade White Brown or Chabot right now.

id also add Sharp to a player that could potentially move at the deadline.

But landing Duchene all depends on how Ceci is valued around the league, I guess the benefit of him is that he is NHL ready. Id hope to pull off a Ceci + Ryan + for Duchene + Beauchemin deal as I know they'd like to get him off their team prior to expansion (especially with D-men coming back in trades). Unlikely, but it will be fun to see what these guys get by the deadline.

Ceci + Ryan + 1st/Lazar for Duchene + Beauchemin

1st/Lazar for Sharp (50%)

Hoffman-Duchene-Stone
Smith-Brassard-Sharp
Dzingel-Turris-Pageau

 

[Cosmix]

I don't want to trade any younger players as they are the future of this team, and the future is where success is still more likely to be achieved than today with the current roster. More talent is required.

Those I want to trade include: Ryan (costs too much for what he delivers), Brassard (not impressed but still waiting), MacArthur (too brittle and probably done), Kelly (too old and slow), Neil (same as Kelly). BUT the key question is what do you get in return?

 

[Viletho]

He is a right shooting center with decent offensive upside. There isnt much space and if we can bring in someone like Duchene then a guy like White will have to fit into the bottom like Lazar.

Chabot is the only one who has a real chance at a top 4 role cause the expansion draft might make us lose someone like Meth

If the goal is to contend right now than you trade Brown instead of White.
If what people here think is right, Brown is at least 4 years away. Taking into account that the first years of the 4 year is this year. White might come to this team later this year.

When Brown is going to come. White might already have 3 full year of NHL action.

If you think long term and have to trade 1 of White-Brown. you probably trade White.
If you want to contend this year and the next 2-3 years. You keep White since he's going to play sooner rather than later.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

If the goal is to contend right now than you trade Brown instead of White.
If what people here think is right, Brown is at least 4 years away. Taking into account that the first years of the 4 year is this year. White might come to this team later this year.

When Brown is going to come. White might already have 3 full year of NHL action.

If you think long term and have to trade 1 of White-Brown. you probably trade White.
If you want to contend this year and the next 2-3 years. You keep White since he's going to play sooner rather than later.

I have to agree. I think Brown is the one to move , if we move any of them.
My preference is to keep them all for another year at least.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

No thank you to Landeskog.

He'll cost more than he's worth.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

It's really difficult. You have to give up someone good to get a star player....but we also need a constant stream of young kids coming in to stay within our budget.

And that's the problem. As Sting said earlier, we are a few good players away from contention. Giving up a blue chip prospect (especially if it turns out to be the best of our stable) for one good player won't really do anything for us.

At the same time, staying the course doesn't look like we'll ever trend high enough to hit contender status.

The only thing I do know right now.......I really don't want to give up on Chabot. I think we can say 95% (to pull a number out of my butt) that he is going to be at least a second pairing D in the NHL (not necessarily in his rookie year), with a decent chance to be a solid first pairing guy. Legit top pairing defensemen are damned near impossible to trade for.

 

[Rooverick*]

I have to agree. I think Brown is the one to move , if we move any of them.
My preference is to keep them all for another year at least.

Yup.

Personally i'm inclined to be patient. This group isn't one trade from being a top cup contender, so mortgaging the future with a relatively empty cupboard makes no sense to me.

 

[HSF]

If the goal is to contend right now than you trade Brown instead of White.
If what people here think is right, Brown is at least 4 years away. Taking into account that the first years of the 4 year is this year. White might come to this team later this year.

When Brown is going to come. White might already have 3 full year of NHL action.

If you think long term and have to trade 1 of White-Brown. you probably trade White.
If you want to contend this year and the next 2-3 years. You keep White since he's going to play sooner rather than later.

Look at the flip side though. Brown is really raw and hasn't, what Ottawa thinks, scratched the surface of his potential. So you would be selling low. On the flip side white is developed and could step in next year which would bring more value to a team trading for him.

You also have to look at what we have now. We can barely fit in Lazar and if we bring in a top forward where does white fit in next year while 3 years down the line we will probably have a slight different forward group where brown can come in.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

It makes a lot of sense when they have high value

White makes the most sense to move then Brown if we can get a top line forward

I think the reverse.

White is gonna sign for probably under 2M with bonuses. (Chabot got a 1.3M AAV if he maxes out all his bonuses) White is supposedly NHL ready. White is considered to be a safer prospect than Brown, but Brown has the higher ceiling. If our window to do something is now while Karl is under contract, White is more useful to us. We get what might be a middle 6 center for the next 3 years for under 2M. Especially if we're gonna take on salary by trading one of them, we'll need that sort of set up.

 

[Sting]

say what?

Do you honestly feel that a top 6 of

Dzingel-Turris-Ryan
Smith-Brassard-Stone

And a top 4 of

Methot-Karlsson
Phaneuf-Ceci

Is remotely close to being a contender?

I'm not at all suggesting in my post we need 5 star players to have a chance - that's crazy talk. Some players (Dzingel, Smith, Ryan) are clearly not top 6 contender players. I also don't believe Ceci is a top 4 defender on a contending team, and we're losing Methot to expansion.

We need White and Chabot to pan out at a minimum, and then we need 3-4 more of our prospects to become good to great players, hoping one of them surprises.

 

[topshelf15]

Duchene isnt the answer,we need a better top line center not another number 2 guy

 

[danielpalfredsson]

I don't want to trade any younger players as they are the future of this team, and the future is where success is still more likely to be achieved than today with the current roster. More talent is required.

Those I want to trade include: Ryan (costs too much for what he delivers), Brassard (not impressed but still waiting), MacArthur (too brittle and probably done), Kelly (too old and slow), Neil (same as Kelly). BUT the key question is what do you get in return?

If Mac gets traded at this point, it only happens if he LTIRetires and is uninsured or only partially insured. And it'll be a cap wizardry type move. Something similar to the Jackets acquiring Clarkson in exchange for Horton. So it won't exactly be a huge positive. If Mac doesn't retire and returns, no one will want him in a trade. We don't even know what level he can play at now after missing two seasons, and even if he miraculously plays at a similar level to before, no GM would take a gamble on him getting concussed again.

Trading Kelly and Neil makes no sense. Those are types of moves teams do if they are out of the playoffs. Even if Neil has to be scratched, is trading Neil for a 4th-7th round pick really worth possibly upsetting the chemistry of the locker room?

Trading Brassard is another move that doesn't make much sense. He is having a disappointing season production wise so I can't see someone giving up something equivalent to his true value. Then you consider his value to the Sens is MUCH higher than his value to your average team because on Ottawa it is like he has a 3.33M cap hit since we only care about his salary. Even if he is only a 2C level player in his time here (which I don't think will be the case but that's not relevant) a veteran 2C for 3.33M is a steal. What do we have to get back to make it worth giving that up?

The only one I'll agree with is trading Ryan. But that's a complicated thing. There are certain scenarios where I'd be for it, and certain scenarios where I'd be against it. If we're just cutting bait on him as a long term team building move to ensure we have the salary room to keep guys like Smith and eventually Turris in 2018 I'd rather we do it in the off season and not when the team is gunning for a playoff spot. If we cut bait on Ryan now for a minimal return, what does our roster look like?

Hoffman-Turris-Dzingel
Smith-Brassard-Stone
Pyatt-Pageau-(Lazar or Kelly)
xxx-Kelly-Neil

As mediocre as Ryan has been at times, that looks pretty brutal with how Lazar has been playing. Not to mention, the team would be an injury away from having a decimated top 9.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

No thank you to Landeskog.

He'll cost more than he's worth.

Landeskog is having a down year by his standards, with just 15 points and a minus-10 rating through 32 games.

 

[HSF]

Duchene isnt the answer,we need a better top line center not another number 2 guy

Duchene is a top line center especially with the way speed is taking over the game he would fit in well with guys like karl and hoffman

 

[Tundraman]

The team controls young assets for 5-6 years or more depending on their last contract. That's important on a budget team.

Trading young prospects and high picks for players who could soon need an extension could put the team in another Ryan situation. Those guys get overpaid when they know you gave up so much to get them and can't let them walk. The Sens will need to pay some of their own emerging players like Stone so can't afford to pay out too much for what could be a 2 1/2 year rental. If they give away the youth bank due to cost limits the supporting players will end up being old scrubs instead of potential rising stars.

I'm still very unhappy with the return on ZBad so don't trust Dorion making the right choice trading any of our top prospects.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Landeskog is having a down year by his standards, with just 15 points and a minus-10 rating through 32 games.

Even so, we don't need another 50 point winger. We need a high-end center. Any pieces going towards a Lando trade would be best saved for the opportunity to trade for a center.

 

[Cosmix]

The team controls young assets for 5-6 years or more depending on their last contract. That's important on a budget team.

Trading young prospects and high picks for players who could soon need an extension could put the team in another Ryan situation. Those guys get overpaid when they know you gave up so much to get them and can't let them walk. The Sens will need to pay some of their own emerging players like Stone so can't afford to pay out too much for what could be a 2 1/2 year rental. If they give away the youth bank due to cost limits the supporting players will end up being old scrubs instead of potential rising stars.

I'm still very unhappy with the return on ZBad so don't trust Dorion making the right choice trading any of our top prospects.

I do not trust Dorion either. New management is needed.

 

[Sens Vader]

Duchene isnt the answer,we need a better top line center not another number 2 guy

I agree Duchene isn't an elite 1C

but Duchene Brassard Turris down the middle is extremely competitive.