Proposal: 2016-17 Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread Part X

[aragorn]

Would people here be willing to part with Ottawa's next three 1st rd picks in a package which might also include players & prospects for Duschene & Landeskog? IMO Ottawa would need to keep White & Chabot at their ELC & to play well for Ottawa for them to go farther & would rather give up the picks than any good roster players.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Would people here be willing to part with Ottawa's next three 1st rd picks in a package which might also include players & prospects for Duschene & Landeskog? IMO Ottawa would need to keep White & Chabot at their ELC & to play well for Ottawa for them to go farther & would rather give up the picks than any good roster players.

Probably s but for a team that clearly has holes in it and just missed the playoffs last year that could be a pretty big gamble if the Duchene and landeskog just dont fit in ottawa.

 

[SixthSens]

Justin Schultz is having himself quite the year...30 points in 43 games (yes, he does get to PP with Crosby and Malkin), but still.

If we did end up trading Ceci, I wouldn't mind either Schultz or Stone as a UFA to replace Ceci's RH shot and sit on our second pairing with Phaneuf. Schultz appears to be thriving in a role where he doesn't have to be THE guy, and obviously he wouldn't have to be the guy here, so yeah... the only problem is that he is setting himself up for a nice payday with those numbers, which might price him out of our range unless we can get trade Ryan or MacArthur.

Methot-Karlsson
Phaneuf-Schultz/Stone

Would people here be willing to part with Ottawa's next three 1st rd picks in a package which might also include players & prospects for Duschene & Landeskog? IMO Ottawa would need to keep White & Chabot at their ELC & to play well for Ottawa for them to go farther & would rather give up the picks than any good roster players.

Absolutely not, especially with the way 2018 is shaping up. The depth of the 1st round in 2018 is looking insane. We could easily find another top level prospect if we end up around the 20th pick again.

 

[PatrickEaves]

Justin Schultz is having himself quite the year...30 points in 43 games (yes, he does get to PP with Crosby and Malkin), but still.

If we did end up trading Ceci, I wouldn't mind either Schultz or Stone as a UFA to replace Ceci's RH shot and sit on our second pairing with Phaneuf. Schultz appears to be thriving in a role where he doesn't have to be THE guy, and obviously he wouldn't have to be the guy here, so yeah... the only problem is that he is setting himself up for a nice payday with those numbers, which might price him out of our range unless we can get trade Ryan or MacArthur.

Methot-Karlsson
Phaneuf-Schultz/Stone

Isn't he the guy that snubbed us to go to Edmonton?

What makes you think he'd pick us over anyone else on the open market now?

 

[50 in 07]

Would people here be willing to part with Ottawa's next three 1st rd picks in a package which might also include players & prospects for Duschene & Landeskog? IMO Ottawa would need to keep White & Chabot at their ELC & to play well for Ottawa for them to go farther & would rather give up the picks than any good roster players.

Firstly Chabot needs to be on the table otherwise Sakic doesn't pick up the phone this has been discussed ad nauseum.

Secondly you're talking about bringing in 11.5 million dollars, and giving up 3 cost controlled assets on their ELCs, which does not sound remotely feasible for a budget team. Oh yeah and we don't have a 2nd rounder in the next two drafts either just for good measure.

Thirdly, if we try and move salary out either in the same deal or in a different deal, that's just gonna cost additional assets.

Fourth, we aren't even in a playoff spot currently, and there's no guarantee that adding Duchene and Landeskog would make us go deep. What if miss entirely, or lose in the first round? Now we've mortgaged the future completely and remain a mediocre team.

 

[Six Assets]

Isn't he the guy that snubbed us to go to Edmonton?

What makes you think he'd pick us over anyone else on the open market now?

no. He snubbed ANA to go to Edmonton.

 

[SameeTheSniper]

What about RNH out of Edmonton? He is basically their 3rd line C. He has the ability to be a top 2 for sure while being defensively responsible. What would it take to get him?

Hes their 2nd C, Draisaitl plays on McDavids wing

 

[50 in 07]

Justin Schultz is having himself quite the year...30 points in 43 games (yes, he does get to PP with Crosby and Malkin), but still.

If we did end up trading Ceci, I wouldn't mind either Schultz or Stone as a UFA to replace Ceci's RH shot and sit on our second pairing with Phaneuf. Schultz appears to be thriving in a role where he doesn't have to be THE guy, and obviously he wouldn't have to be the guy here, so yeah... the only problem is that he is setting himself up for a nice payday with those numbers, which might price him out of our range unless we can get trade Ryan or MacArthur.

Methot-Karlsson
Phaneuf-Schultz/Stone

Schultz is playing 3rd pairing sheltered minutes on a legit cup contender with elite forwards. If we asked him to play top 4 minutes, on a vastly inferior team, with Phaneuf I guarantee he would not look anything like the player he looks like now. Schultz IMO is not the kind of guy you want permanently in your top 4.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Isn't he the guy that snubbed us to go to Edmonton?

What makes you think he'd pick us over anyone else on the open market now?

I think he had Ottawa and Edmonton as one of his choices but chose Edmonton IIRC

 

[Daffy]

no. He snubbed ANA to go to Edmonton.

Yeah pretty sure it came down to Edmonton and Ottawa.

I have a feeling Dorion is going to make a significant trade before the deadline. The division is wide open and we have a real shot here. I think Landeskog is the guy they want but will have to find a way to get him without including Chabot. Man it would have been nice to get Drouin last year. Like others have said, Jagr and Seidenberg would be nice adds as well.

Ceci, Brown and a 1st for Landeskog.

Lazar and Gagne for Jagr.

3rd for Seidenberg.

Would have to move some salary out though. But I can dream!

Landeskog Turris Stone
Hoffman Brassard Ryan
Dzingel Pageau Jagr
Smith Kelly Neil/Pyatt

Potentially MacArthur and White available too.

Methot Karlsson
Phaneuf Seidenberg
Claesson Wideman
Boro

 

[aragorn]

Probably s but for a team that clearly has holes in it and just missed the playoffs last year that could be a pretty big gamble if the Duchene and landeskog just dont fit in ottawa.

Exactly, it's a huge risk & losing 3 1st rd picks would hurt every yr at draft time but so would losing a Chabot, White or Brown if they turn into legitimate elite NHL players. My guess is that Dorion makes a smaller move which will infuriate most on here since I doubt he has any interest in moving any of those three prospects.

Justin Schultz is having himself quite the year...30 points in 43 games (yes, he does get to PP with Crosby and Malkin), but still.

If we did end up trading Ceci, I wouldn't mind either Schultz or Stone as a UFA to replace Ceci's RH shot and sit on our second pairing with Phaneuf. Schultz appears to be thriving in a role where he doesn't have to be THE guy, and obviously he wouldn't have to be the guy here, so yeah... the only problem is that he is setting himself up for a nice payday with those numbers, which might price him out of our range unless we can get trade Ryan or MacArthur.

Methot-Karlsson
Phaneuf-Schultz/Stone



Absolutely not, especially with the way 2018 is shaping up. The depth of the 1st round in 2018 is looking insane. We could easily find another top level prospect if we end up around the 20th pick again.

I would be very surprised if Dorrion would move the hometown boy Ceci who grew up an Ottawa Senators fan & seems to be getting more & more responsibility as well as ice time from this coach. Not to mention he is a right shot which is rare in the NHL for a defencemen in a league where skating has become so important & Ceci can skate. Ceci has all the tools to be a very good second pairing defenceman in the NHL. I think this management team can't wait for a Chabot - Ceci tandem at some point in the very near future giving them two dynamic pairings if we count Karlsson by himself as being dynamic.

Firstly Chabot needs to be on the table otherwise Sakic doesn't pick up the phone this has been discussed ad nauseum.

Secondly you're talking about bringing in 11.5 million dollars, and giving up 3 cost controlled assets on their ELCs, which does not sound remotely feasible for a budget team. Oh yeah and we don't have a 2nd rounder in the next two drafts either just for good measure.

Thirdly, if we try and move salary out either in the same deal or in a different deal, that's just gonna cost additional assets.

Fourth, we aren't even in a playoff spot currently, and there's no guarantee that adding Duchene and Landeskog would make us go deep. What if miss entirely, or lose in the first round? Now we've mortgaged the future completely and remain a mediocre team.

I threw it out there because some want these two so badly & might just do it but personally I see no way of getting both & quite frankly I doubt Dorion goes after either unless he can get one at a much cheaper price. I also think there is no way Dorion gives up Chabot for anything & probably not Brown or White either not three first rd picks but maybe one. Given the hype around Chabot & White it seems clear that they can't get those two to Ottawa soon enough. And given Brown is the son of the 67s coach & considered another hometown guy, I doubt he gets traded either. If there is a deal I would guess it's a filler (a UFA) to give the illusion they are trying something to help the team get into the playoffs (like Purcell). I think this GM & ownership are willing to wait until Chabot & White arrive & maybe Brown a few yrs later.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Mark Stone is great, but he can't be our best forward unless we have 2 Mark Stones. All of those teams are not competing for the Cup except Rangers, but they have ample amount of depth and a good defense core.

Exactly, great post. We can't have Stone as our best forward but we'd need two Stones. So another ~ top 10 player at their position. The higher the player, the better we become.

I agree with this, but just think that we don't "need" a Tavares.

I think we very well need a Tavares if we wish to be contenders for several seasons. If we wanna win a cup and then entire mediocrity again, ya we don't need a Tavares, we'd only need another Mark Stone and another top 3 defender and then go incredibly hot in a year where the underdogs mostly overcome the contenders (Think 2006 where EDM and CAR made it to cup final).

no. He snubbed ANA to go to Edmonton.

Ottawa and EDM were his final two choices.

He chose EDM cause Gretzky called him personally and he had option to play with RNH and Hall in an upcoming "star" team. lol

Ceci, Brown and a 1st for Landeskog.

Lazar and Gagne for Jagr.

3rd for Seidenberg.

We'd be stupid to give that up for Lando. I love Lando and he very well might rebound but I want a star player or top 5-10 player at their position if we trading Brown+Ceci+1st.

I love the other trades tho. And I think we should do the other trades now just to make playoffs. In the off-season we should do similar package to what you proposed for a Duchene or which ever elite player ends up wanting out for whatever reason/cap troubles.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Would people here be willing to part with Ottawa's next three 1st rd picks in a package which might also include players & prospects for Duschene & Landeskog? IMO Ottawa would need to keep White & Chabot at their ELC & to play well for Ottawa for them to go farther & would rather give up the picks than any good roster players.

So quick for me.

That's gone from a pretty good lineup to adding a 24 year old and a 25 year old, both impact player making our forward core one of the deepest in the NHL - if not the deepest. Plus we keep White and Chabot and Brown? Uh...**** yeah.

I don't even know how the forwards would work out...

Hoffman - Duchene - Stone
Landeskog - Turris - Ryan
Dzingel - Brassard - Pageau

No idea what would come of Smith and MacArthur etc., but we'd cope (lol)

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Would people here be willing to part with Ottawa's next three 1st rd picks in a package which might also include players & prospects for Duschene & Landeskog? IMO Ottawa would need to keep White & Chabot at their ELC & to play well for Ottawa for them to go farther & would rather give up the picks than any good roster players.

How on earth do we afford that though.

Can we get phaneuf to go the other way?

 

[NyQuil]

No Avs staffer in the world would want to show their face around town if they didn't pry one of our more proven prospects away as well.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Would people here be willing to part with Ottawa's next three 1st rd picks in a package which might also include players & prospects for Duschene & Landeskog? IMO Ottawa would need to keep White & Chabot at their ELC & to play well for Ottawa for them to go farther & would rather give up the picks than any good roster players.

I can't see the Avs doing it for so little (I don't see us getting either one without Chabot going the other way), but yes I'd do it. That's a pretty easy yes. We'd need to dump a contract though.

While on the topic of Chabot for Duchene, I'm intrigued by the idea of making that trade, then possibly moving Turris in package for a second pairing d-man after the expansion draft. Of course it's much easier said than done.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

This team needs bold, aggressive and effective decision making in the off-season. Every contending team has had one. Like Chicago with Hossa, Bruins with Chara and few others, Lightning with Stralman.

This season trade some picks and prospects(like Lazar and such) for Jagr. Acquire Tyutin for draft pick.

Nothing special but those added pieces should be good enough to get us into playoffs. When we are in, I think we have playoff warriors who can do some damage and we generate revenue for Menlyk to open up the wallets a bit for further investment.

Off season: Ceci for Palat or top 6 talent
Bold and aggressive move: Sign Shattenkirk 5 years 30 mil
Dump Ryan

Methot-Karlsson
Phaneuf-Shattenkirk
Chabot-Someone

We may not have the offense to win a cup... but we may very well have a defense that can carry us there. That is a ridiculously mobile defense and a very responsible and quick offense.

IMO, Chabot can come in next year, even in second half of season, and play top 4 NHL calibre D on bottom pairing.

Shattenkirk's game, I believe, will age similar to Brian Campbells, so the contract will be productive even in his 30s.

Palat-Turris-Dzingel
Hoffman-Brassard-Stone
MacArthur/Smith-White-Prospect
Pyatt-Pageau-Prospect

Methot-EK
Phaneuf-Shatty
Chabot-Somebody

As Phaneuf ages, Chabot replaces him or maybe even Jaros does so in 2 years.

 

[Comely]

This team needs bold, aggressive and effective decision making in the off-season. Every contending team has had one. Like Chicago with Hossa, Bruins with Chara and few others, Lightning with Stralman.

This season trade some picks and prospects(like Lazar and such) for Jagr. Acquire Tyutin for draft pick.

Nothing special but those added pieces should be good enough to get us into playoffs. When we are in, I think we have playoff warriors who can do some damage and we generate revenue for Menlyk to open up the wallets a bit for further investment.

Off season: Ceci for Palat or top 6 talent
Bold and aggressive move: Sign Shattenkirk 5 years 30 mil
Dump Ryan

Methot-Karlsson
Phaneuf-Shattenkirk
Chabot-Someone

We may not have the offense to win a cup... but we may very well have a defense that can carry us there. That is a ridiculously mobile defense and a very responsible and quick offense.

IMO, Chabot can come in next year, even in second half of season, and play top 4 NHL calibre D on bottom pairing.

Shattenkirk's game, I believe, will age similar to Brian Campbells, so the contract will be productive even in his 30s.

Palat-Turris-Dzingel
Hoffman-Brassard-Stone
MacArthur/Smith-White-Prospect
Pyatt-Pageau-Prospect

Methot-EK
Phaneuf-Shatty
Chabot-Somebody

As Phaneuf ages, Chabot replaces him or maybe even Jaros does so in 2 years.

Someone will offer Shattenkirk more then the 6 million you are offering him. It would be easiest to look at Yandle's contract and consider that the minimum. So you are likely looking at 37.5 for 5 years or 45.5 for years.

 

[Viletho]

Palat-Turris-Dzingel
Hoffman-Brassard-Stone
MacArthur/Smith-White-Prospect
Pyatt-Pageau-Prospect

Methot-EK
Phaneuf-Shatty
Chabot-Somebody

That line-up !!!! Especially the defence. Looking very good on paper. If we are to trade Ceci, it need to happen in the off-season like you are suggesting.

But imo, a lineup like this would like very good. If White come and have an immediate impact.

Palat-Turris-Hoffman
Smith-White-Stone
MacArthur-Brassard-Dzingle
Pyatt-Pageau-Prospect( Paul? )

That's 4 deep line. Four 200 foot line.

Adding Shattenkirk would be an excellent idea.

 

[guyzeur]

So quick for me.

That's gone from a pretty good lineup to adding a 24 year old and a 25 year old, both impact player making our forward core one of the deepest in the NHL - if not the deepest. Plus we keep White and Chabot and Brown? Uh...**** yeah.

I don't even know how the forwards would work out...

Hoffman - Duchene - Stone
Landeskog - Turris - Ryan
Dzingel - Brassard - Pageau

No idea what would come of Smith and MacArthur etc., but we'd cope (lol)

Adding two impact players two months before the playoffs is also dangerous for messing up the chemistry

 

[Micklebot]

Adding two impact players two months before the playoffs is also dangerous for messing up the chemistry

Well, not that there's any chance of us doing that, but you can almost entirely avoid the chemistry issue by putting them on the same line;

Landesgog-Duchene-Ryan
Smith-Brassard-Stone
Hoffman-Turris-Dzingel
Kelly/MacArthur-Pageau-Pyatt

Problem of course would be that the team would by over the cap by miles (little lone our budget) if they added 11.5 mil without shedding at least one of Ryan or Phaneuf, and I doubt Colorado takes either of them.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

no. He snubbed ANA to go to Edmonton.

He snubbed Anaheim to become a free agent and ultimately chose Edmonton over Ottawa. As a Ducks and Sens fan I call it a double bad decision!

 

[SpezDispenser]

I tell you, this fanbase will revolt if Dorion doesn't add a huge piece this year or this off-season at the latest. We're in a position to succeed, but we need that next push to get us there in the form of a star forward.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2018/points/all/forwards/ufa

Take away anybody on a team in or fighting for a playoff spot, and there's your possible list of the most realistic acquisitions.

Jagr, Vrbata, Parenteau, Gionta, and Hanzal are probably the top producing (not necessarily role player) guys available outside of something wacky like the Sharks trading Thornton.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

I tell you, this fanbase will revolt if Dorion doesn't add a huge piece this year or this off-season at the latest. We're in a position to succeed, but we need that next push to get us there in the form of a star forward.

They'll also revolt if he trades what he needs to trade to get that piece ie Chabot+1st+roster player. Can't please everybody. This team is on the right track. We're solidly (due to games in hand) in an Atlantic Div playoff spot while overplaying a goalie who MTL couldn't win with last year. We're also doing it on an extreme budget. When you account for MacArthur technically being out, the only team with a lower cap than us in the league is the Carolina Hurricanes.

If a trade comes up that lets us add the right guy, we should do it. But there's no reason to force things and in turn make a bad trade. This off season is going to be the worst one if you're looking to add talent. There'll be an extra team, and it'll cause havoc by taking a decent player from most teams rosters. This upcoming summer is the definition of a seller's market. So I wouldn't get your hopes up about Dorion being able to add a big piece.