2016-17 roster

[Mortimer Snerd]

If Myers and the 36th overall isn't enough, I'd add Copp.
I think that the 22nd overall and Dano and Tanev for 12 overall is fair isn't it? Add Burmi and/or Chiarot.
1st and Petan for Hamonic is more than fair.
Take a look at the lineup we would have and how young a lot of the talent is.
Connor PLD Ehlers are very young and are going to be very, very good...

Laine -Scheif -Wheeler
Connor -PLD- Ehlers
Perreault -Little -Armia
Lemieux- Lowry- Roslovic

Enstrom -Trouba
Morrissey- Buff
LHD from 2016 draft - Hamonic

Helle Comrie

This is a playoff team.

It isn't as simple as adding up a fair value and then assuming you have a trade partner. There has to be something to make the other team want to do it. Unproven players and big gamble picks require more than fair to get the other team to accept the risk.

We are assuming the Oilers are willing to overpay for a RHD. They may not be but it is only if they are that we could make that trade. And then only if nobody else makes a better offer.

I don't know that Dano and 22 get 12. I don't think Tanev adds any value to that offer. Might as well keep him. It probably takes someone a little better to make that happen.

Hamonic is off the market. It would take a lot to pry him loose from Snow.

 

[Zhamnov10]

If you want to improve the jets next year and into the future there are a couple of moves that need to be made immediately.#1 trade or get rid of Stuart however you can #2 Trade Stafford over the summer as he will either be holding young guys back if he is playing or will be upset if he isn't playing.#3 sign a legit bottom pairing RHD.

Laine/Scheif/Wheeler
Perrault/Little/Ehlers
Connor/Helm/Armia
Lowry/Copp/Burmi

Moose Petan,Dano,Lemieux because they are waiver exempt.

Enstrom/Buff
Trouba/Myers
Morrissey/Polak
Chariot

Send Postma to the minors if he gets picked which I doubt he would then oh well.

Hellebuyck
Pavelec

 

[garret9]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Duke749]

English please Garret I'm tired and it hurts to try and understand that chart. Lol

 

[garret9]

For Duke:

Postma's linemates tend to have better Corsi with than without Postma.
Postma's linemates tend to have better xGoals with than without Postma.

When combining all his on-ice factors (shot volume, suppression, shot quality, etc.), we expect the Jets with average goaltending to slightly outscore his opponents (I wish there were more dashes on the axis, but it looks like just under +0.05 goals /60 mins).

While Postma is used like a depth defenseman (and so the results need that to be taken into account) he has outshot opposition like a top four defender.
However, Postma's own scoring per minute has been near non-existant.

TL;DR version:
Postma is imperfect, but his results are basically what the Jets would hope as a best case scenario for a 3rd pair d-man.

 

[pegcity]

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Laine-Little-UFA/Stafford
Connor-Perreault-UFA/Stafford
Lowry-Copp-Burmi
Thorburn/Armia

Trouba-Buff
Enstrom-Myers
Chariot-Postma
Stuart

Pavelec
Hellebuyck

Moose

Dano-Petan-JC Lipon
Lemieux-De Leo-Kosmachuk
Brassard-Alberts-UFA
Tanev-Olsen-Peluso
Lodge/Fronk

Morrissey-Kitchton
Melchiori-Kostalek
Harstad-UFA
Serville

Comrie
Hutchinson

 

[garret9]

Armia needs waivers next year. I hope Jets don't lose him to keep up Peluso. :/

 

[pegcity]

Armia needs waivers next year. I hope Jets don't lose him to keep up Peluso. :/

I was not aware of that. I guess he's on the roster then. Peluso goes down.



Also:

Looking at the Moose defence, you sure notice how badly we need to draft both LDs and RDs.

 

[truck]

I was not aware of that. I guess he's on the roster then. Peluso goes down.

Armia, Lowry and Lipon all need waivers starting next year.

 

[jetsfaneh]

Burmi

Is it me or is Burmi just an odd fit with this team at this point? He just doesn't seem to fit anywhere (except on the PK).

I know fans seem to think Stafford should be on the outs but he did chip in over 20 goals so there is value there. Although quite one dimensional value and he probably/certainly won't be extended with us past this year.

But Burmi. Not good enough for a Top 6 role. Not enough grit for a checking role. Still seems to freelance out there too much. Not sure he would fetch much but it would be nice to get something for him before his contract with us is up. Playing with lineup combinations he is the hardest guy to insert on any line.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

Is it me or is Burmi just an odd fit with this team at this point? He just doesn't seem to fit anywhere (except on the PK).

I know fans seem to think Stafford should be on the outs but he did chip in over 20 goals so there is value there. Although quite one dimensional value and he probably/certainly won't be extended with us past this year.

But Burmi. Not good enough for a Top 6 role. Not enough grit for a checking role. Still seems to freelance out there too much. Not sure he would fetch much but it would be nice to get something for him before his contract with us is up. Playing with lineup combinations he is the hardest guy to insert on any line.

Burmi plays with a ton of grit IMO. That is one area I've never found him lacking. Real tough kid. He's pretty quick too.

I think the difference is the 1.5 AAV combined with (at times smart 2 way play) compared to 4.3 AAV and incredibly weak 2 way play. Stafford might score but he is also the cause of a boatload of chances/goals against too.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Is it me or is Burmi just an odd fit with this team at this point? He just doesn't seem to fit anywhere (except on the PK).

I know fans seem to think Stafford should be on the outs but he did chip in over 20 goals so there is value there. Although quite one dimensional value and he probably/certainly won't be extended with us past this year.

But Burmi. Not good enough for a Top 6 role. Not enough grit for a checking role. Still seems to freelance out there too much. Not sure he would fetch much but it would be nice to get something for him before his contract with us is up. Playing with lineup combinations he is the hardest guy to insert on any line.

It isn't that Burmi doesn't fit well. Its that he hasn't solidified a claim on a particular spot yet. He can play 3 or 4 C or LW. He can also play RW in a pinch. Stafford, on the other hand doesn't fit anywhere very well. He has to score to have any value at all so he has to be in a scoring role with linemates who can help him score. At the same time he has to be sheltered from having to play defense so he needs to be with linemates who can cover for him in his own end. So he has to play 2RW. Not because he is that good there nor because he is the best player we have for that spot but because that is where he does the least harm while still scoring.

I think Burmi will emerge in TC. We will find out where his fit is going forward.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

Can we stop lining Ehlers up as a LW? He isn't. He's left-handed, but he's totally ineffective at that position compared to RW. He was played on the left for a reeeeally short period of time and nothing came of it at all. Watch an Ehlers highlight video. Everything he did was from the right side of the ice. Wheeler is the one who can switch wings without missing a beat.

It's also worth mentioning that Marko Dano and Drew Stafford are also RW... ONLY. They're both completely useless, no, worse than useless on the LW.

It's really fun to pontificate on our awesome future dynasty, but it doesn't work if you don't know where guys can and can't play.

 

[Bob E]

Can we stop lining Ehlers up as a LW? He isn't. He's left-handed, but he's totally ineffective at that position compared to RW. He was played on the left for a reeeeally short period of time and nothing came of it at all. Watch an Ehlers highlight video. Everything he did was from the right side of the ice. Wheeler is the one who can switch wings without missing a beat.

It's also worth mentioning that Marko Dano and Drew Stafford are also RW... ONLY. They're both completely useless, no, worse than useless on the LW.

It's really fun to pontificate on our awesome future dynasty, but it doesn't work if you don't know where guys can and can't play.

Well I agree Ehlers is better suited on RW in the future, he was the #1 LW'er with Scheifele and Wheeler at the end of the year. That line wasn't just good, it was dominant. I think PoMo sees Ehlers as a LW'er in the near future.

I would rather see:

LaineD)-Scheifele-Ehlers
Connor-Little-Wheels

In our top 6 in a year or two.

 

[Bob E]

Can't wait for a top 6 of Scheifele, Wheels Laine, Little, Ehlers and Connor. May take a year, but the combinations are very interesting.

Laine-Scheifele-Ehlers
Connor-Little-Wheels

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheels
Connor-Little-Laine

Laine-Little-Ehlers
Connor-Scheifele-Wheels

Laine-Scheifele-Wheels
Connor-Little-Ehlers


Lots of options to shake things up or continue to go with a hot unit. Both lines would be deadly, regardless of the combination. Only the Connor-Little-Ehlers line would lack size, though their speed would be tough to handle.

I like Little, but another top 6 C with size, strength, speed and skill to eventually replace him would be ideal, imo.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

Well I agree Ehlers is better suited on RW in the future, he was the #1 LW'er with Scheifele and Wheeler at the end of the year. That line wasn't just good, it was dominant. I think PoMo sees Ehlers as a LW'er in the near future.

I would rather see:

LaineD)-Scheifele-Ehlers
Connor-Little-Wheels

In our top 6 in a year or two.

That's the thing, though. He was the RW. It was Wheeler playing LW. They tried the other way around and it didn't work very well at all. He might be able to switch sides once he's more comfortable with the NHL game, but for now, there's no reason to play him outside of his natural position when we have 2 rookie LW joining the team this year.

 

[ijuka]

And please don't even throw around ideas that Laine should be a RW...

Really, Laine LW + Ehlers RW seem to be very nice, complementary wingers.

 

[Daximus]

Can we stop lining Ehlers up as a LW? He isn't. He's left-handed, but he's totally ineffective at that position compared to RW. He was played on the left for a reeeeally short period of time and nothing came of it at all. Watch an Ehlers highlight video. Everything he did was from the right side of the ice. Wheeler is the one who can switch wings without missing a beat.

It's also worth mentioning that Marko Dano and Drew Stafford are also RW... ONLY. They're both completely useless, no, worse than useless on the LW.

It's really fun to pontificate on our awesome future dynasty, but it doesn't work if you don't know where guys can and can't play.

All of our wingers can play either side really. Wheeler prefers the RW and has earned that right so he likely stays there unless injuries force him over. Ehlers, Laine, Perreault, Connor and Burmi can play either side.
Basically we should be complimenting our finishers. Which will be Laine and Connor. Wherever they are most effective that is where they go regardless of where they prefer to be and everyone else lines up accordingly.

 

[Mathil8]

That's the thing, though. He was the RW. It was Wheeler playing LW. They tried the other way around and it didn't work very well at all. He might be able to switch sides once he's more comfortable with the NHL game, but for now, there's no reason to play him outside of his natural position when we have 2 rookie LW joining the team this year.

Can anyone else confirm this? I recall Ehlers lining up on the left and Wheeler on the right throughout the existence of that line.

 

[garret9]

I still prefer splitting Ehlers and Wheeler. It'll happen at some point in the season me thinks.

 

[truck]

I still prefer splitting Ehlers and Wheeler. It'll happen at some point in the season me thinks.

Might be worth separating Scheifele and Laine as well - especially is Scheifele keeps up the triggger man routine.

LLW
Perreault - Scheifele - Ehlers

Both lines would have a nice balance of puck handlers, passers and trigger-men. Plenty of two way chops as well.

 

[Whileee]

I still prefer splitting Ehlers and Wheeler. It'll happen at some point in the season me thinks.

I agree with this.

I'd like winger pairings of Ehlers and Laine and Wheeler and Connor. Wheeler and Ehlers are very good at driving the play and opening up space. Connor and Laine are very good at finding soft spots and open space and finishing.

I don't think it matters that much who centers either of those duos. Little and Scheifele would do fine. If you want a bit more fire-power, I'd maybe put Scheifele with Ehlers and Laine and Little with Connor and Wheeler.

The way these 6 project is fun to think about...

Laine-Scheifele-Ehlers
Connor-Little-Wheeler
Perreault-Burmi/Lowry-Dano
Petan-Copp/Burmi-Armia

I don't see Stafford as fitting much if Dano and Armia progress towards their potential this season. The Jets will need to make some decisions about Lowry, Copp, Burmi and Petan. They can probably only really keep 3 of them in the long term.

 

[truck]

I agree with this.

I'd like winger pairings of Ehlers and Laine and Wheeler and Connor. Wheeler and Ehlers are very good at driving the play and opening up space. Connor and Laine are very good at finding soft spots and open space and finishing.

I don't think it matters that much who centers either of those duos. Little and Scheifele would do fine. If you want a bit more fire-power, I'd maybe put Scheifele with Ehlers and Laine and Little with Connor and Wheeler.

The way these 6 project is fun to think about...

Laine-Scheifele-Ehlers
Connor-Little-Wheeler
Perreault-Burmi/Lowry-Dano
Petan-Copp/Burmi-Armia

I don't see Stafford as fitting much if Dano and Armia progress towards their potential this season. The Jets will need to make some decisions about Lowry, Copp, Burmi and Petan. They can probably only really keep 3 of them in the long term.

Might be asking a bit much for bith rookie wingers to take on tough matchups from go. I see the more "ready" two way player starting in the top 6 with the other starting on line three - even if it means Stafford is in the top 6. Some rooks will need sheltering.

 

[bumblebeeman]

Petan - Copp - Armia were looking pretty good at the end of the year right? I wonder of that could be slthe 4th / 3b line next year with Petan getting some pp and Armia getting some pk.

 

[SLAYER]

I agree with this.

I'd like winger pairings of Ehlers and Laine and Wheeler and Connor. Wheeler and Ehlers are very good at driving the play and opening up space. Connor and Laine are very good at finding soft spots and open space and finishing.

I don't think it matters that much who centers either of those duos. Little and Scheifele would do fine. If you want a bit more fire-power, I'd maybe put Scheifele with Ehlers and Laine and Little with Connor and Wheeler.

The way these 6 project is fun to think about...

Laine-Scheifele-Ehlers
Connor-Little-Wheeler
Perreault-Burmi/Lowry-Dano
Petan-Copp/Burmi-Armia

I don't see Stafford as fitting much if Dano and Armia progress towards their potential this season. The Jets will need to make some decisions about Lowry, Copp, Burmi and Petan. They can probably only really keep 3 of them in the long term.

Would love to see this top 6 next year... could be dynamite.