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Gil Fisher
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It does. Just not sure we won't see Little as the shutdown centre; and he won't be with those wingers. I still prefer a top six of:
Perreault Little Wheeler
Laine Scheifele Ehlers
and the bottom six is completely up for grabs, but:
Dano Burmi Stafford
Petan Copp Armia (will probably be Lowry over Petan or Copp)
(quite frankly, expansion rules aside, don't see the point of Stafford)
Why is it that so many posters leave Connor out of the lineup this year? I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything...it's a sincere question.
In the few WHC games I watched him in, he seemed to be completely comfortable playing against NHLers. Would he have quit NCAA to play in the AHL? I realize he's 19, but his chance to make the big club to start the year should be higher than 50%, shouldn't it? I'd think it was closer to 80%.
raideralex99
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The last 2-3 weeks of the season ... Elhers Scheifele and Wheeler were the best line in the NHL ... why would you break it up?
Gil Fisher
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Hey, it's a first time for me. Didn't think to long about the bottom six and felt like I was forgetting someone.
Gil Fisher
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I think I explained why. Aside from that, I wouldn't base anything on 2-3 weeks and think my top 2 lines can be as strong as the ESW line.
I guess it depends on what the coaching philosophy will be. Personally I think the idea of a shut down line is outdated In today's day and age. Also given the talent that we are starting to acquire up front I want to be the type of team that looks more to force the opponent to to try to stop us rather than being more reactive to their moves.
I keep the ESW line together to start because they terrified other teams down the stretch. We saw numerous good coaches try to get out of matchups against it.
Having a line to be feared I think places less pressure on the rest of the roster and allows our middle 6 to more easily integrate some of our young talent.
But I think a lot of the lineups will be determined in camp.
Gil Fisher
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For me, shutdown line is the line you match up against the other teams' top line. Little is usually that guy. Solid offensive players that can be responsible in their own end. PLW meet that criteria in my book. And it allows LSE to face less dangerous lines and develop their defensive zone play in a lower risk environment.
garret9
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They were good, but not amazing.
They ran a high PDO as a line (107), and that tends to influence opinion beyond true performance.
A 107 PDO means the Jets shooting percentage was 7 points higher than their opponents during those minutes... that's not going to last. That line was not going to shoot at 14% forever (note that also includes shots taken by defenders while the line was on the ice).
As a random aside, Ehlers-Little-Wheeler had slightly better underlying numbers than with Scheifele, although the sample was very small.
The issue I have with that is we are not allowing Scheifele to continue to grow as a player if we continue to place him in easier roles. I want him to be challenged by playing against the best. Having him play the role of babysitter while Laine finds his game in the NHL against easier comp slows his development imo. He has been there and done that with Ehlers at the beginning of last year.
Little on the other hand is a finished product and as such imo is the more natural fit to bring Laine into the fold next year.
To the bolded because we "won" the draft lottery and get a shiny new toy most likely named Laine. Connor becomes yesterday's news even though he likely would have been the hype had we selected at 6-7-8 instead of #2 OA.
I fully expect Connor to be in the Jets regular lineup, likely starting on the third line as did Ehlers this past season. I also expect he'll have a season somewhat similar to Ehlers in that he'll take some time to acclimatize but once he gets going will be very exciting.
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I don't see the expansion rules as a reason to keep a player who doesn't fit. Yes, I know there is the 25% thing but I don't think we need him for that. That could be changed by some other move but right now I don't think it is needed. Expansion rules might be a reason to trade someone you can't or don't want to protect but that is quite different.
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I think that started when we won the lottery. Shiny new toy syndrome plus keeping stafford in. IMO Stafford was on the edge of the lineup before the lottery. Winning Laine should be the last piece to push him out. Expansion may force keeping him because no one wants to acquire another F needing protection.
To make an even better line? To make 2 lines almost as good?
The lines that start the season will probably change by Christmas when Laine and Connor have had time to adjust.
Also the bolded. I think we see a lot of different combinations tried out in exhibitions.
The biggest thing I worry about is the impact of the World Cup on training camp.
It looks like the Jets will have a lot of key players participating which may make it difficult to get a long enough look at some combinations especially in the top 6.
Gil Fisher
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Ehlers Scheifele Laine and Wheeler are all potentially away at the World Cup. Armia is a longshot, along with Burmi.
If Laine misses out, then it makes sense to have the World Cup trio of Ehlers, Scheifele and Wheeler as a line. Laine can skate with Little and Stafford; and Conner can skate with Perreault and Dano/Armia/Burmi.
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Even with Ehlers, Scheif and Wheeler at the WC you will see a lot of different line combinations tried.
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How would Ladd being here reduce the number of RH forwards we have?
We do have 1 too many RWs though but Stafford is only here for 1 more year, tops.
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For possible top 6 guys we have 5 that shoot right (Little, Scheifele, Laine, Wheeler, Stafford) and only two that shoot left (Perreault, Ehlers)
We could use another top 6 LH forward, the only two that I think have that potential are Dano and Petan but I'm not completly convinced in either of them
Edit: somehow I forgot Connor. This whole post might be pointless if he can adapt his game to the NHL.
My understanding from the Finnish posters is our likely pick this draft Laine is much more effective from the LW.
puck stoppa
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And this is the NHL, wingers playing off wing, cmon, I think they can handle it. It's no biggie.
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You are looking at handedness without considering which side they play. It is a slightly different issue but in our case it balances out anyway. LH Ehlers is a RW and RH Laine is a LW. Take out Stafford and put in Connor and it becomes 4-3. Hard to get a better balance with 7.
I expect Perreault to settle on the 3rd line so then it becomes 4-2 but I don'see that as a problem.
garret9
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It is his off wing that he's better at.
It is the NHL and non optimal situations arise. But, they are still non optimal when you have the possible alternative.
Laine and Connor prefer left. Wheeler and Ehlers prefer right. It sounds like they can get their cake and eat it to.
Those 4 with Scheif and Little sure gives us the potential to ice one hell of a top 6 one day soon.
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