2016-17 roster

[Whileee]

I can see Stafford starting on the 2nd, and being bumped down by Laine (who starts on the 3rd) later in the season. Unless of course he plays well enough to hold his spot over Laine. Or injury otherwise keeps that slot available to him.

No doubt, the increased competition for roster spots will bring out the best in our forwards. Although it could add some strife as well, as some players bristle at how far down the forward roster they end up.

Regardless, a good problem to have.

I think this season is really going to test Maurice as a coach, and show fans his real mettle. It will be interesting to see how he blends a bunch of top-shelf young offensive forwards with his veteran core. I expect that we're going to see him ease young players like Connor and Laine / Puljujarvi into the line-up a bit carefully. He still needs to find suitable roles for forwards like Dano, Armia and maybe Petan.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I just want to see if they are legit serious that the best players make the roster out of camp. I don't believe them when they say that... cuz to me that means no Stuart,No Thorburn, No Peluso. And i have a hard time seeing Maurice sit one or more than one of these guys. I think Chevy needs to force Maurices hand a bit here and try to move these guys so Maurice can't play them.

 

[Puckatron 3000]

I think this season is really going to test Maurice as a coach, and show fans his real mettle. It will be interesting to see how he blends a bunch of top-shelf young offensive forwards with his veteran core. I expect that we're going to see him ease young players like Connor and Laine / Puljujarvi into the line-up a bit carefully. He still needs to find suitable roles for forwards like Dano, Armia and maybe Petan.

I agree with easing in Connor and our #2 pick. They should start on the 3rd line, or at most 2nd line with 2 vets. You want to put them in a position to succeed. Despite their talent, they are very young and raw.

To me, the real test of Maurice's mettle is how he handles the roster once these newest additions find their groove. Will he fully commit to a talent- and results-based roster competition? Or will vet "seniority" play into it? How does he handle any vets pushed down out of their spots by the new guys? Can he maintain harmony on the team?

Maybe he sells shaking up the lines by saying the Jets have no true line heirarchy, at least in the top 6 or even top 9. But of course ice time can easily betray that.

Or maybe he goes straight shooter, and calls it like it is. The top line is up for grabs by the guys who are playing the best. If you want more ice time, earn it from what you got now. Nobody is gifted a slot, based on draft pedigree or vet status.

It is an interesting challenge, having a mix of some very good vets, and several potentially great, but extremely raw young players and rookies. (Although now that I write that, it's pretty much exactly what you'd want coming out of a mini-rebuild). Still, there's an extreme diversity of proposed line-ups in this thread. I doubt many other teams have as many moving pieces for a coach to handle.

That could be pretty damn exciting for a coach. Or perhaps a little like juggling a batch of live grenades.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I really don't think the Jets will abandon the idea of Lowry at C. I think he'll get another shot at it this year.

I'm sure he will get a shot at C. I'm not at all sure that he wins the job even with Copp with the Moose.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Ideally Stafford should be on the 3rd line, I think.

What I'm hoping is that he has a look at the projected line-ups and realizes that he has to really bring it this year to keep his line-up spot. He can be a very useful player when he's on.

I think Stafford needs to be 2RW or traded. He scored 21 goals from there last year and he fits badly anywhere else. Expansion uncertainty might make him harder to trade.

 

[GJF]

I think Stafford needs to be 2RW or traded. He scored 21 goals from there last year and he fits badly anywhere else. Expansion uncertainty might make him harder to trade.

Actually, one can argue that this makes him easier to trade. We don't need to get much, I'd be fine with a 3rd and 4th. There could be teams that would like to add a veteran winger on a short contract who they then will be very fine with losing him at that point and having only paid a 3rd and 4th for his services and then losing him instead of someone else.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Actually, one can argue that this makes him easier to trade. We don't need to get much, I'd be fine with a 3rd and 4th. There could be teams that would like to add a veteran winger on a short contract who they then will be very fine with losing him at that point and having only paid a 3rd and 4th for his services and then losing him instead of someone else.

Yes, it depends on how UFAs are handled for the expansion draft. Once the uncertainties have been removed it could become a positive.

I'm thinking he should be worth a 2nd but a 3rd & 4th would be fine too. He is surplus to our needs. It is not that I don't like him. I enjoyed his 21 goal season. Now we just don't need him. Might just as well save Mr Chipman the $4.35 mil. The big picture profitability of the franchise matters to fans in the end too.

 

[ATLbound]

What does everyone realistically think will happen in some of the roster battles, not what you want to happen. What you think will happen?

-Regarding goaltending, will we see trade or will Hutch be put on waivers to be sent down, or will our team just not try to win this year again and start Helle down in the AHL?
-Regarding D, do we roll Buff, Enstrom, Trouba, Myers, Chairot, Postma, Stuart? Or does Morrissey possible make it and we see a trade or one of Chairot or Postma placed on waivers to be sent down.
- Regarding our bottom 6, do we see Stafford dealt? Assuming Laine and Connor make the team, and we are not counting Peluso and Thorburn as they could likely be press box players as they are older. Which 1-2 guys lose the battle out of... Lowry, Burmi, Armia, Dano, Petan, Copp. I don't really see De Leo, Lipon, Lemieux having a chance to start next season unless Stafford is dealt then one of them has an outside chance.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What does everyone realistically think will happen in some of the roster battles, not what you want to happen. What you think will happen?

-Regarding goaltending, will we see trade or will Hutch be put on waivers to be sent down, or will our team just not try to win this year again and start Helle down in the AHL?
-Regarding D, do we roll Buff, Enstrom, Trouba, Myers, Chairot, Postma, Stuart? Or does Morrissey possible make it and we see a trade or one of Chairot or Postma placed on waivers to be sent down.
- Regarding our bottom 6, do we see Stafford dealt? Assuming Laine and Connor make the team, and we are not counting Peluso and Thorburn as they could likely be press box players as they are older. Which 1-2 guys lose the battle out of... Lowry, Burmi, Armia, Dano, Petan, Copp. I don't really see De Leo, Lipon, Lemieux having a chance to start next season unless Stafford is dealt then one of them has an outside chance.

Goaltending - I think Helle starts. Hutch will probably be signed to a 2 way contract with only a very small raise. He will have to clear waivers to be sent down. I honestly don't know if he gets claimed or not. The best chance for him to clear is right at the end of TC when all teams are concentrating on getting down to size. I'd like to see Hutch kept as the backup to Helle but I doubt Pav gets moved.

Defense - Trouba - Buff
Enstrom - Myers
Morrissey - Postma
I think that Chiarot is 7D whether Morrissey makes it or not. Chiarot will not be able to push Stuart out. Morrissey will if he makes it. I don't think they waive Chiarot. He won't clear. I think they go with 8 D until there is an injury. I would like them to waive Stu and send him to the Moose but I doubt that happens. The best thing would be for him to be claimed but he probably clears.

Bottom 6 - Good chance Stafford is traded before the season or at the Trade Deadline. If not I think 2RW is the most likely place for him to play. I see Dano at 3RW. Petan and Copp in the AHL, first callups. Lowry - Burmi - Armia 4th line.

I think the discussion has largely moved on from 'will Thor play' to 'will Stafford be here'.

 

[Mathil8]

Goaltending - I think Helle starts. Hutch will probably be signed to a 2 way contract with only a very small raise. He will have to clear waivers to be sent down. I honestly don't know if he gets claimed or not. The best chance for him to clear is right at the end of TC when all teams are concentrating on getting down to size. I'd like to see Hutch kept as the backup to Helle but I doubt Pav gets moved.

Defense - Trouba - Buff
Enstrom - Myers
Morrissey - Postma
I think that Chiarot is 7D whether Morrissey makes it or not. Chiarot will not be able to push Stuart out. Morrissey will if he makes it. I don't think they waive Chiarot. He won't clear. I think they go with 8 D until there is an injury. I would like them to waive Stu and send him to the Moose but I doubt that happens. The best thing would be for him to be claimed but he probably clears.

Bottom 6 - Good chance Stafford is traded before the season or at the Trade Deadline. If not I think 2RW is the most likely place for him to play. I see Dano at 3RW. Petan and Copp in the AHL, first callups. Lowry - Burmi - Armia 4th line.

I think the discussion has largely moved on from 'will Thor play' to 'will Stafford be here'.

I agree with most of what you say. To expand with my own thoughts, I believe they'll have Thorburn as the 13th forward, slotting into games occasionally (like when Mo thinks we need more grit against STL... le sigh). But hopefully they'll use Petan/Copp/Lemieux call ups to jump over Thorburn when injuries strike. I think and hope they'll waive Peluso. He flat out has no place on this roster.

With regards to D I kind of agree, but I cant see them sending Stu down no matter what. They used to usually run with 13 F 8 D, since the Moose came back I can see them running with 13 F 7 D, to keep prospects playing (with easily accessible call ups if needed). If Morrissey proves he's better than Chiarot/Stu(lol) in TC do they run with 8D cycling through Chiarot/Stu/Postma/Morrissey, or do they risk sending down one of Chiarot/Postma. Ideal situation IMO in this case is to force Chevy's hand to try and move Stu. Then you don't have to risk waiving Chiarot/Postma, or having them +Morrissey rotting in the press box for any extended period of time. This all hinges on Morrissey being ready out of camp, if he doesn't bring it he'll just start the season on the Moose and it will be status quo on our blue line.

 

[Puckatron 3000]

I hope Postma makes the starting roster. But I'm not sure he does, which would clear the way for Stuart to play (even if Morrissey makes the club). Although that makes the LHD/RHD situation tricky - perhaps forcing Mo to play two defenders on their off-side.

I am much more confident that Helle starts, and somewhat optimistic that Thor gets pushed off the starting roster.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I agree with most of what you say. To expand with my own thoughts, I believe they'll have Thorburn as the 13th forward, slotting into games occasionally (like when Mo thinks we need more grit against STL... le sigh). But hopefully they'll use Petan/Copp/Lemieux call ups to jump over Thorburn when injuries strike. I think and hope they'll waive Peluso. He flat out has no place on this roster.

With regards to D I kind of agree, but I cant see them sending Stu down no matter what. They used to usually run with 13 F 8 D, since the Moose came back I can see them running with 13 F 7 D, to keep prospects playing (with easily accessible call ups if needed). If Morrissey proves he's better than Chiarot/Stu(lol) in TC do they run with 8D cycling through Chiarot/Stu/Postma/Morrissey, or do they risk sending down one of Chiarot/Postma. Ideal situation IMO in this case is to force Chevy's hand to try and move Stu. Then you don't have to risk waiving Chiarot/Postma, or having them +Morrissey rotting in the press box for any extended period of time. This all hinges on Morrissey being ready out of camp, if he doesn't bring it he'll just start the season on the Moose and it will be status quo on our blue line.

The bolded is what I said. I said I wanted him sent down but don't expect it. I think they go with 8 D. Chiarot and Stu won't play much until there are injuries. Morrissey will play. At least I hope it will go that way. I'm not too confident that Mau has recovered from his irrational Postma hatred yet. PP could spend another year in the PB.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Goaltending - I think Helle starts. Hutch will probably be signed to a 2 way contract with only a very small raise. He will have to clear waivers to be sent down. I honestly don't know if he gets claimed or not. The best chance for him to clear is right at the end of TC when all teams are concentrating on getting down to size. I'd like to see Hutch kept as the backup to Helle but I doubt Pav gets moved.

Defense - Trouba - Buff
Enstrom - Myers
Morrissey - Postma
I think that Chiarot is 7D whether Morrissey makes it or not. Chiarot will not be able to push Stuart out. Morrissey will if he makes it. I don't think they waive Chiarot. He won't clear. I think they go with 8 D until there is an injury. I would like them to waive Stu and send him to the Moose but I doubt that happens. The best thing would be for him to be claimed but he probably clears.

Bottom 6 - Good chance Stafford is traded before the season or at the Trade Deadline. If not I think 2RW is the most likely place for him to play. I see Dano at 3RW. Petan and Copp in the AHL, first callups. Lowry - Burmi - Armia 4th line.

I think the discussion has largely moved on from 'will Thor play' to 'will Stafford be here'.

Your statement on Hutch is not an available option. Hutch can not be offered a 2- way contract for 3 different reasons under the CBA. One of which is he had a 1 way salary of 600 k last year. 2) is he did not clear waivers last year and 3) the amount of games he played and or backed up last year was over 60 games. The Jets must offer him a 10 % raise in his NHL salary in his qualifying offer. ($660K)

Next year will also be Hutchs last RFA year, so the Jets will have to make a decision on him within the next 12 months b4 he becomes a UFA. We may have to expose a goaltender in the up and coming expansion draft. The expansion rules and how they handle expiring contract as exposed or not may play a factor on how we handle Hutch. Pavs contract also expires at the end of next year as well.

Everyone would like it if we could rid ourselves of Pavs, but I do not see that in the cards.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Your statement on Hutch is not an available option. Hutch can not be offered a 2- way contract for 3 different reasons under the CBA. One of which is he had a 1 way salary of 600 k last year. 2) is he did not clear waivers last year and 3) the amount of games he played and or backed up last year was over 60 games. The Jets must offer him a 10 % raise in his NHL salary in his qualifying offer. ($660K)

Next year will also be Hutchs last RFA year, so the Jets will have to make a decision on him within the next 12 months b4 he becomes a UFA. We may have to expose a goaltender in the up and coming expansion draft. The expansion rules and how they handle expiring contract as exposed or not may play a factor on how we handle Hutch. Pavs contract also expires at the end of next year as well.

Everyone would like it if we could rid ourselves of Pavs, but I do not see that in the cards.

Your talking about QO. It's possible for Jets to sign Hutch to a twoway deal as he said, it just would not be a QO. Now of course if Jets aren't willing to give a QO Hutch could go UFA, but he might not get anything better.

 

[winnipegger]

So I'm confused, is Thorburn playing next year?

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Your talking about QO. It's possible for Jets to sign Hutch to a twoway deal as he said, it just would not be a QO. Now of course if Jets aren't willing to give a QO Hutch could go UFA, but he might not get anything better.

I agree I was going to clarify my response, but I thought it was obvious. I believe that if the Jets do not make a a qualifying offer to Hutch, he is gone as a UFA. I do not think Hutch accepts a 2 way offer voluntarily without exploring His UFA status.
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If the Jets do not give him a Qualifying offer ...... That means they traded to trade him and there is no interest and the Jets have no interest as well and are moving on.

 

[Koonta]

So I'm confused, is Thorburn playing next year?

He'll be playing. Hopefully it will be solitaire up in the pressbox. But, since he's such a team guy maybe he will be playing chess with Stuey......well..... one will be playing chess and the other will be playing checkers.

 

[Mathil8]

I agree I was going to clarify my response, but I thought it was obvious. I believe that if the Jets do not make a a qualifying offer to Hutch, he is gone as a UFA. I do not think Hutch accepts a 2 way offer voluntarily without exploring His UFA status.
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If the Jets do not give him a Qualifying offer ...... That means they traded to trade him and there is no interest and the Jets have no interest as well and are moving on.

What if the Jets don't offer him a QO, he tries UFA and gets no 1 way contract offers? It would then be likely he'd sign a 2 way contract if we offered him one.

 

[KingBogo]

So I'm confused, is Thorburn playing next year?

Unless Maurice lurks around here no one knows for sure. But the prevailing opinion seems to be he would be a great PB guy. Imagine how much "glue' he can spread if he spends his time in the PB with a smile on his face cheering on the rookies. He can collect his $1.2 M and then call it a career.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Your statement on Hutch is not an available option. Hutch can not be offered a 2- way contract for 3 different reasons under the CBA. One of which is he had a 1 way salary of 600 k last year. 2) is he did not clear waivers last year and 3) the amount of games he played and or backed up last year was over 60 games. The Jets must offer him a 10 % raise in his NHL salary in his qualifying offer. ($660K)

Next year will also be Hutchs last RFA year, so the Jets will have to make a decision on him within the next 12 months b4 he becomes a UFA. We may have to expose a goaltender in the up and coming expansion draft. The expansion rules and how they handle expiring contract as exposed or not may play a factor on how we handle Hutch. Pavs contract also expires at the end of next year as well.

Everyone would like it if we could rid ourselves of Pavs, but I do not see that in the cards.

Wondered if going back to a 2 way was possible or not. Remove that part. The rest stands. He made 575 last year so 110% = 632.5k. They may not even qualify him if it must be 1 way though. It depends on whether or not they are willing to bury that 632.5 next year in order to have him as a backup going forward. I don't know that he has shown enough to justify that. They may cut him loose, run Pav as backup next year and look for a FA backup the year after. Seems there are always some available. Maybe Hutch is back on the market.

Of course if they buyout Pav they need Hutch. Not holding my breath.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Qualifying offer deadline is June 27 (first monday after the draft) Hutch's QO would have to be 1 way but nothing is stopping both parties from coming to an agreement on a 2 way contract before that date. It's unlikley though and would takes some sweetening on both the NHL and AHL pay in order to get Hutch to sign it.

 

[ATLbound]

13 and 8 seems the most realistic I guess. Which likely will mean Peluso is gone, and Thorburn is the 13th. Which is good. And it should be Chairot and Stuart as 7/8 but who knows. If Morrissey has a bad camp and goes down it all changes.

As far as goaltending goes, just thinking here, if we expose Hutch to waivers and he gets claimed, then obviously we let Pavs walk in a years time. Do we really want Comrie sitting as backup that young. I suppose we could go get a career NHL backup, dime a dozen. But Hutch would be a nicer backup to keep around. I hope this exact situation is not what has them send Helle down. If they do that it will be clear they are playing for a high draft pick again.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Wondered if going back to a 2 way was possible or not. Remove that part. The rest stands. He made 575 last year so 110% = 632.5k. They may not even qualify him if it must be 1 way though. It depends on whether or not they are willing to bury that 632.5 next year in order to have him as a backup going forward. I don't know that he has shown enough to justify that. They may cut him loose, run Pav as backup next year and look for a FA backup the year after. Seems there are always some available. Maybe Hutch is back on the market.

Of course if they buyout Pav they need Hutch. Not holding my breath.

He made 600 k last year so 10 % would be $660 K , his Aav is 575 as per hockeyscap.com. Do the Jets spend $660 k on a 1 way Q offer contract for insurance for a 3rd goalie.

They spent more on Budja 2 years ago.

Put Pavs and his monster contract on the Moose. (LOL)

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

He made 600 k last year so 10 % would be $660 K , his Aav is 575 as per hockeyscap.com. Do the Jets spend $660 k on a 1 way Q offer contract for insurance for a 3rd goalie.

They spent more on Budja 2 years ago.

Put Pavs and his monster contract on the Moose. (LOL)

I like Pav in the AHL ..... backing up Comrie. Why not? Costs the same if you are paying all 3 goalies NHL salaries anyway. Pav might be so PO'd he walks out.

 

[Board Bard]

He'll be playing. Hopefully it will be solitaire up in the pressbox. But, since he's such a team guy maybe he will be playing chess with Stuey......well..... one will be playing chess and the other will be playing checkers.

Yes, but they won't know which is which.