Salary Cap: 2016-17 roster-building part IV | Contract chart, cap info in post #1

[Coastal Kev]

You were the guy?

Ya man, you said you had special vision and could see stuff like that. If you were joking, you didn't make it clear at all.

Either way, I recall you being outraged that I suggested we all slow our roll on him and he wasn't quite NHL ready yet.

Hopefully he or Simon can add some extra skill to the lineup for next years playoff run. Sprong has to really focus on his details to stay out of juniors though.

Yes the vision was said in jest ....or maybe it wasn't

I just didn't see the point of him wasting away in Juniors. He isn't learning crap there. If he was available for the ahl, I wouldn't have minded that. But I will always wonder if had stayed with the big club could he have contributed these playoffs.

 

[Jackpot Jaret]

Given the way the playoffs have gone, JR better recognize that this team needs one of Goose or Demers on the blueline. I would jettison Cole and let Lovejoy walk to bring in one of those guys, they can handle 25+ minutes with Daley and Letang and this team needs that, Dumoulin is ok wit 19-20mins but he's not a guy that is a workhorse like that and Letang plays worse when he goes past 25+. I'd obviously go after Goose since he's the LD and this team needs a solid LD, probably even Demers honestly. If they let Schultz walk and go after Demers instead...not bad at all.

If Pouliot is still someone the Pens want to keep, to me, he starts in the AHL without a doubt.

If they keep Schultz...
Maatta, Letang
Goligoski, Daley
Dumoulin, Schultz

If not...

Maatta, Letang
Goligoski, Daley
Dumoulin, Demers


Cap wise, it could work as well.

You move MAF, Kunitz, Cole, and Fehr and you're saving about 12-13m. You give Goose a 4.5m/yr deal and Demers a 3.5-4m/yr deal and you could still have enough left to keep Cullen and go after Boedker at 5m/yr.

My god, that would be some unreal "puckmoving".

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

If I was him, I'd keep playing until teams didn't want to pay me anymore. His injuries to my knowledge have only been joint/bone injuries, not head/neck/spine or blood/heart conditions. Those type of life threatening injuries are the only ones that would make me walk away from getting paid that much, especially at 24 years old.

The money is one thing, but the game is just in your blood and it's hard to give it up.

I want him to succeed on the Pens, but if he does move on I won't be upset if he tears it up elsewhere, assuming it isn't the Flyers or some other team I despise.

Yes the vision was said in jest ....or maybe it wasn't

I just didn't see the point of him wasting away in Juniors. He isn't learning crap there. If he was available for the ahl, I wouldn't have minded that. But I will always wonder if had stayed with the big club could he have contributed these playoffs.

I just saw some serious deficiencies away from the puck that concerned me, and knowing how the Pens are with young guys, I knew they weren't going to let him work out those kinks.

I'm not entirely sold they are making some kind of youth movement either. All of the young guys got a chance due to injury, not some kind of upper brass revelation.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Goose being back would be an amazing thing, he fits Sullivan's coaching style a lot and man I miss his skating and the fact that he will wrist it to the net at least and won't keep playing hot potato like Letang loves to.

 

[Riptide]

Goose being back would be an amazing thing, he fits Sullivan's coaching style a lot and man I miss his skating and the fact that he will wrist it to the net at least and won't keep playing hot potato like Letang loves to.

Unless we're trading Daley, Dumoulin or Maatta, can we really afford him? He's going to get 5m+ this summer. Yes he would be a great fit here. But our left side is pretty full already, and he's not going to be cheap.

 

[Gurglesons]

If we are going to spend the money on GoGo might as well target Shattenkirk.

 

[JTG]

We need someone on this team that makes it hard for Sullivan to justify putting Letang on the powerplay.

 

[xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

We need someone on this team that makes it hard for Sullivan to justify putting Letang on the powerplay.

We have him in Daley.

Letang just won't be replaced on the top PP for any legitimate amount of time.

 

[Riptide]

We need someone on this team that makes it hard for Sullivan to justify putting Letang on the powerplay.

Won't happen. I mean maybe if we had someone of Shattenkirk/Subban/Karlsson's ability... but Gogo likely wouldn't be enough to bump him.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but I'd like to see Kuhn get a shot with Geno. He's a relentless puckhound, smart and sneaky-creative with the puck, and he has a great shot.

His speed really shocked me this year, especially for a guy whose skating was always a question mark. Outside of Hags, Rust, Sheary, Kessel, and Sid, he may be the fastest forward on the team.

 

[KIRK]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but I'd like to see Kuhn get a shot with Geno. He's a relentless puckhound, smart and sneaky-creative with the puck, and he has a great shot.

His speed really shocked me this year, especially for a guy whose skating was always a question mark. Outside of Hags, Rust, Sheary, Kessel, and Sid, he may be the fastest forward on the team.

I'd like to see anyone who could do anything to help him get a shot with Geno, but it won't happen until next year that we might see a line designed to accentuate what Geno does.

For now, it's Kunitz-Geno-Rust. Geno has nobody to get him the puck and nobody to consistently finish. But, the line is a +3 in their three games together and actually has generated a ton of chances.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I'd like to see anyone who could do anything to help him get a shot with Geno, but it won't happen until next year that we might see a line designed to accentuate what Geno does.

For now, it's Kunitz-Geno-Rust. Geno has nobody to get him the puck and nobody to consistently finish. But, the line is a +3 in their three games together and actually has generated a ton of chances.

For sure. No time frame on it, I just think the two could mesh well.

 

[KIRK]

For sure. No time frame on it, I just think the two could mesh well.

Some of us have thought Kuhn-Geno-Cullen could be a good thing now.

 

[ComplianceBuyout]

What do you think of Fleury + Kunitz for Hoffman + Hammond?

 

[KIRK]

What do you think of Fleury + Kunitz for Hoffman + Hammond?

They're not going to pay Fleury and Anderson 10M combined.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Some of us have thought Kuhn-Geno-Cullen could be a good thing now.

Could be. It'd make our 4th line a real ragtag group, but Geno's more important.

Ah well, it's moot anyway. No way it happens these playoffs.

 

[KIRK]

Could be. It'd make our 4th line a real ragtag group, but Geno's more important.

Ah well, it's moot anyway. No way it happens these playoffs.

Apparently he's not, but as I said, you can't argue with the results from Kunitz-Geno-Rust, unless of course you consider what Geno would be doing with some help.

 

[1988toNow]

Just an idea and for conversation...

At the draft Fleury and Kunitz for Frolic to 2LW. Geno. Sprong or rust if not ready etc.

Cullen back at 1.5.

Sundqvist learns.

Trade w rangers who are in big cap trouble...rights to Krieder we sign long term pouilliot plus 2nd later pick this year. It's like we took the RFA as our 2nd pick. Not bad.

We have a paradox: we need young fast legs on very good wingers now...we can't wait on player development time. I have watched him closely and I think Daniel Sprong is going to be a nice shooting and skating rw and should develop his game around playing best w geno. We can't afford big dollar and always overpaid ufas being paid for past performance and hole they replicate for you.

I would seriously consider offer sheeting an RFA wing...it has an immediate impact as its an in prime locked up speedy character good hockey player already developed to the nhl level.

As for Sid ...I wish but doubt Drouin can be pried away.

If we offer sheet Kreidr and sign him then we have those assets for another deal.

One player I really wish we could trade fleury for is Zack bogosian. A 1 or 2 or 2RD slot big agile guy with excellent all around skills and on a good contract.

I say give lovejoy a 2 yr deal two way.

I don't think Ian Cole is a bad 3rd pairing guy. That contract is what it is.

Eric fehr seem like hes a tight member of the role guys. I don't know home much that means to the team but unless he's injured and lost his game man he never looks like the nhl er that smoked a player and goalie earlier this season on a really impressive goal. He does a lot of little plays and defensive and clearing the zone solid. He keeps skating and whips a hard wrister in the glove blocker or 5 holes. He is available in a deal I think but I'm sure a gm doesnt want to get a rep for signing and then trading vets career nhl ers.

I really think maatta will recover. It may not be fully this new season. But he will develop.

Letang bing played at es and pk only is a great idea and part of why I decided to join the board.

Honestly if justin Schultz started powerlifting and thickened up became more confident he can handle himself when it rough on the ice. I think he's a power play natural. Very impressed by his flow on the pp and he needs to be granted some leadership of it. Kessel in Marios spot is working grear bu Kessel needs to immediately explode skating with the puck upon receiving it. He need to force the issue more and aymake with his skating accelerating his shot. I'm impressed with Phil behavior on ice after some goals. He seems like a very valued team guy.

JVR wow to dream.


This is guys we don't know how scott Wilson is going to appear at camp and we don't know what kind of nhl er he's going to be. Is he injury prone? He could turn out to be a big bonus to the team by performing at a hi level on an elc.

 

[Riptide]

What do you think of Fleury + Kunitz for Hoffman + Hammond?

Why is Ottawa - who's been known to be a cheap team spending 10m on goaltending over the next 2 seasons?

 

[66-30-33]

I'd definatly offersheet Kreider, Rangers would have to match and be in severe cap hell or let him come to us and get some picks. Crosby has the puck and Hornqvist goes to the net, pass to Kreider who charges the net and loses the puck infront of the goalie, Horny then scores a garbage goal.

 

[1988toNow]

Yeah that's a good line rush. I just think Krieders game brings a lot to side...locking him into say a 4 year bridge deal like maatta could prove to be a steal.

In building our d let's sau top four Letang dumoulin is so impressive and good coaching and he'll be solid for years. A hardy athlete big kid. Maatta. Extend Daley 2 years. I think bogosian as our 2d is a synergistic effect and fits just like Krieder and sid.

Letang s career would be extended by not having to plain all the hard miles shifts.

If money's tight the Reverend is lookin for a job.

Cole could be part of a small package or such and very well could return.

I say free up the money from fleury Kunitz maybe fehr maybe Cole lovejoy and you sign Krieder away from new York. They need picks badly. Maybe we even send them Kunitz

For us to get a nice 2RD isn't Hamilton a Rd w the flames? Fleury plus player etc to get him maybe.

I saw it all over March face and I feel bad for him as a person. He knows he's watching something kind of amazing happen before his eyes....he has been outplayed outta town. He's beating the he88 out of himself for game 5. Boy did Murray just change the whole vibe.

I think Murray's personality and also a group of guys that all are friends from wbs that helped their nhl transition as a unit transplanted in so to much from wbs.

I'd make Conor shear wavailable.

Those lw spots are being filled and Wilson is back.

I'd use our the later of our 2 2nds for a rights to RFA deal.

Lots of good backups that can spell Murray or even play 40 games if Murray has anybinjuries. Honestly guys I think Matt Murray talks to his teammates a lot and he has some leadership quality to him. He's self actualiing.

I worry not about his mental ability and skill to play a full no 1 role. It his body type. I think he needs to gain functional muscle mass and keep his calories very high and practice scheduled hydration. Even being built like a big twig hes an impressive athlete.

We're only 2 guys up front and smart d corps building a way from multiple cup capability.

Also if we couldn't get Krieder would you take how many years of 31 year old ric nash only if nyr retained 50 percent.

 

[1988toNow]

Krieder - Sid - Horns
Frolik - geno - Sprong or stopgap
Hags - bonino extended-phil
Kuhn - cullen/sundqvist- rust
Maybe fehr stays as a spare multi position
Wilson


Dump - Letang
Maatta -bogosian
Daley-Schultz
Lovejoy
Ufa
Maybe cole

Letang es pk 4on4 5 on 3pp
Schultz groomed as Gonchs becomes assistant coach runs d and pp tocchet runs forwards and pk
Martin moved to advisory role adjunct make room for Gonchs pp must be fixed.
Daley can skate for three more years provided he recovers well from the ankle.

I think Schultz could be groomed to be a playmaker and multi shot scoring threat on pp.

So we fill 1lw and 2lw. Clearly upgrade on the second pairing. Three deep in talent and we'll matched d pairs style wise and also how we want to play and be known as a team. And several seasons of it within cap budget.

Give Simon and this next small wave of wbs wings to development with very good coaching.

Since if we offer sheet we lose draft picks use start drafting d with the picks we do have. Let those d develop while we enjoy having superior wingers and sid and Geno both are fixed and can just play the game with a line mate who can drive the play and create without help from anybody else. Phil can do that and does both on the pp and es for Sid and Geno and we see again having that impact third hi skill forward really helps.

Guys it's down to the next three years. We could build a legacy of championships like Chicago if we can make some healthy moves and signings.

Sid and Geno need three cups each.

Godd88n David volek.

Maatta for Krieder and sign him w Daley as 2ld would work for me too if we really want to save our picks and build the next wave of players coming up. Frolik gets here if fleury goes to them. I don't think Dallas is going to be an option for fleury BC we don't want either of their goalies back our way even if they retained half. Frolik has the skill set we can use to fit genos.

Does Winnipeg have any young 1 lw or 2lw material?

Boedker is interesting. He may have given a verbal commitment through his agent prior to going to the avs to resign. He'd be slightly overpaid by the pens...only losing picks and filling 1lw with a young RFA will add to our team at this point w 87 and 71.

If we offer sheeted Krieder and lost the picks I don't think Derrick pouliot is going to work out. I don't think he is hard enough for the nhl. If you believe in keeping him then an offer sheet keeps him around in the org.

Cole -Schultz/Reverend
Ufa wbs

We shed dollars in Kunitz fleury fehr Beau sheary if needed cole lovejoy. We acquire 1lw 2lw and promote a new 2rw. The kid has jets on his skates when he skates with his head up with the puck.

We stack our d corps by acquiring just the right 2RD. And everybody could be signed to where in 4-5 years I t may be no more sid and Geno and letang. We will have to move into rebuilding for another era with the hole team anyway.

That's my plan to build a multiple cup capable team for several years of decent sid and Geno years.



Guys that need to be paid are dumo Krieder Murray Schultz and goalie 2.

Bonino extended and gets a raise. I'd give him 3 years.

This team could be built to dominate for the next three final impact years of sid and geno.

Rutherford could retire and pass the torch to the new gm and an advisory role potentially.

 

[ComplianceBuyout]

Why is Ottawa - who's been known to be a cheap team spending 10m on goaltending over the next 2 seasons?

They might want to suck it up in order to have a goalie that would help them get to the playoffs, where they'll make money. After those 2 years, he's off the books.

But i would agree it's a big if. Say they move Anderson and now have room for fleury, what do you think of the value of what i proposed?

 

[JTG]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but I'd like to see Kuhn get a shot with Geno. He's a relentless puckhound, smart and sneaky-creative with the puck, and he has a great shot.

His speed really shocked me this year, especially for a guy whose skating was always a question mark. Outside of Hags, Rust, Sheary, Kessel, and Sid, he may be the fastest forward on the team.

He's a guy I think we have under utilized. His shot is NHL caliber. His shot when being drafted was said to be NHL caliber. I think he's a quick enough skater, he has a big body, and he will throw it around.

I expect a big offseason from him, and for him to a force in camp.

 

[JTG]

The Rags make moves to fit Kreider. I don't see how they let him walk.