WJC: 2016 — Canada Roster Talk (Part V) [mod warning in OP]

[Rants Mulliniks]

IIHF rule

vii. A skater who delivers a check to an opponent who is skating with the
puck with his head down in the direction of the skater, and does not
use an upward motion or drive his body up into the opponent, will not
be penalized for checking to the head or neck.

Head shot was definitely an issue. Otherwise textbook of how a hit should be thrown. Didn't stride into it. Directly in front of him. It's actually funny the rule would read that you shouldn't use an upward motion or drive your body up. That's literally textbook on how to throw a hit. All the force comes from your legs. If he'd done it without the head contact, it would pretty much be the video you would show everyone on how to throw a hit.

 

[Blender]

Hit on Nylander was a blindside hit, there is no way he could have expected that hit. Marner made a mistake by stopping but hit itself was direct and if you slow it down his elbow hits his chest and one his leg is on the ice as well. Not even a charge as I thought earlier.

Great hit. No wonder why it's not discussed anywhere but here

Blindside is not against the rules. That word is not mentioned in the rule book. He was suspended because of zero tolerance with head contact based on the shoulder to head, that's all. I don't even think that hit was bad enough to warrant a suspension, but the standard they used to award one is very strict. Why should a different standard apply here?

Marner clearly uses an upward motion and hits him in the head. It perfectly fits the rule posted a couple posts ago. How is that not objectively against the rules?

His one leg is definitely off the ice before contact, it's tough to tell if his other one is fully off the ice, but it is at least partially off the ice. Either way, this meets the criteria of an upward motion for head contact, which is what the IIHF rules state. It's not required that his feet leave the ice, just that he drive upwards into the opponents head, which he does. If he didn't drive upwards, this would have been a great hit, but he did and that's against the rules here.

The inconsistency in the way rules are applied in hockey are a joke, and the sport will never be taken seriously on the world stage until they clean it up.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

The inconsistency in the way rules are applied in hockey are a joke, and the sport will never be taken seriously on the world stage until they clean it up.

Are you actually arguing that other sports are taken seriously on the world stage because they consistently apply rules? Do you watch other sports? Not exactly unique to hockey.

 

[g00n]

Same basic warning as last thread. Leave out the NHL grudges and fanbase bashing/baiting/whatever.

Don't like the thread? Avoid it, or make it better. Don't dump on it or each other.

 

[Crosbyfan]

Head shot was definitely an issue. Otherwise textbook of how a hit should be thrown. Didn't stride into it. Directly in front of him. It's actually funny the rule would read that you shouldn't use an upward motion or drive your body up. That's literally textbook on how to throw a hit. All the force comes from your legs. If he'd done it without the head contact, it would pretty much be the video you would show everyone on how to throw a hit.

The rule is specific to when making head or neck contact. Essentially when there is a risk of that happening you can deliver but not throw the check. Period.

So it is not funny or peculiar. It is very deliberate. Someone wrote it that was serious about head trauma but aware that circumstances come about where not all head contact can be avoided.

How, and why, they interpret it as they do is another matter. Perhaps letting Marner keep playing is more important than being consistent with the rules.

For the record: I hope Marner lights up Finland tomorrow...but he's lucky he gets to play IMO.

 

[mikeo1]

The rule is specific to when making head or neck contact. Essentially when there is a risk of that happening you can deliver but not throw the check. Period.

So it is not funny or peculiar. It is very deliberate. Someone wrote it that was serious about head trauma but aware that circumstances come about where not all head contact can be avoided.

How, and why, they interpret it as they do is another matter. Perhaps letting Marner keep playing is more important than being consistent with the rules.

For the record: I hope Marner lights up Finland tomorrow...but he's lucky he gets to play IMO.

The crux of the matter is whether or not Marner made contact with the head.

For the record, I think Marner should have been suspended. But the video available online doesnt make it clear that there was head contact.

 

[snipes]

Really hoping the boys come out fired up and play with some intensity.

 

[Unsinkable2]

Honesty looking at our team's play compared to Finland/Sweden/USA/Russia it'd be amazing if we even get a medal at all.

 

[Redline]

Didn't want to start a separate thread for this...

Can someone who's watched all the games rank Canada's 7 d-men based on their play in the tournament so far? Thanks.

Hicketts
Dermott
Chabot

Fleury
Hickey

Sanheim

McKeown

None have been great but the top 3 are noticeably better than 4-5, then a smaller gap to 6.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

As a proud Canadian who thinks we are the best hockey nation. I know our guys will give a good account of themselves against the Finns. However I am going to be realistic, our roster this year does not compare with last year's roster. Maybe we can knock off the Finns, but if we don't, I just want the guys to play for pride so we can build on next year.

I do see some potential match up problems for us against Laine and Puljujarvi. And if Rantanen starts playing to his pedigree. Our defence will have their hands full.

 

[aphyro]

Blindside is not against the rules. That word is not mentioned in the rule book. He was suspended because of zero tolerance with head contact based on the shoulder to head, that's all. I don't even think that hit was bad enough to warrant a suspension, but the standard they used to award one is very strict. Why should a different standard apply here?

Marner clearly uses an upward motion and hits him in the head. It perfectly fits the rule posted a couple posts ago. How is that not objectively against the rules?

His one leg is definitely off the ice before contact, it's tough to tell if his other one is fully off the ice, but it is at least partially off the ice. Either way, this meets the criteria of an upward motion for head contact, which is what the IIHF rules state. It's not required that his feet leave the ice, just that he drive upwards into the opponents head, which he does. If he didn't drive upwards, this would have been a great hit, but he did and that's against the rules here.

The inconsistency in the way rules are applied in hockey are a joke, and the sport will never be taken seriously on the world stage until they clean it up.

Funny thing is that it is you Canadians who is argument about this hit while the swedes dont give a **** about it.

But like Niklas Wikegård and Sanny Lindström said in the Swedish hockey leuage that would have been a penalty and suspention but they though it was a nice and clean hit (dont know if you guys have this in the english language but they said "chest warmer")
And saw nothing wrong with it i think ill go with what they say tbh.

 

[snizzbone*]

Funny thing is that it is you Canadians who is argument about this hit while the swedes dont give a **** about it.

But like Niklas Wikegård and Sanny Lindström said in the Swedish hockey leuage that would have been a penalty and suspention but they though it was a nice and clean hit (dont know if you guys have this in the english language but they said "chest warmer")
And saw nothing wrong with it i think ill go with what they say tbh.

If the Swedish player was hurt on the play you guys would definitely care. That guy got lucky he wasn't seriously injured. Could argue that it wasn't a headshot because he didn't get hurt, but at the same time, just because he specifically wasn't injured on that type of play, doesn't mean someone else won't be injured when the same type happens in the future. That's why suspensions/fines need to occur evreytime an illegal check is made, not just when it causes an injury.

 

[aphyro]

If the Swedish player was hurt on the play you guys would definitely care. That guy got lucky he wasn't seriously injured. Could argue that it wasn't a headshot because he didn't get hurt, but at the same time, just because he specifically wasn't injured on that type of play, doesn't mean someone else won't be injured when the same type happens in the future. That's why suspensions/fines need to occur evreytime an illegal check is made, not just when it causes an injury.

It was a clean hit there was nothing wrong with it trust me everyone would have gone nutts if they though that was a dirty hit.
Im probably the biggest Canadian hater you can find on this planet when it comes to hockey but even i though it was a clean hit.

Why do you say you guys arena you a fellow swede?

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Honesty looking at our team's play compared to Finland/Sweden/USA/Russia it'd be amazing if we even get a medal at all.

Agree, but knocking out Canada in the elimination round is a tall order... I won't believe they are dead in the water until they are a second away from elimination. They are still extremely dangerous as we all now.

But to date a surprisingly bad tournament out of Team Canada. They are exactly where they deserve to be, this isn't a crazy hot goalie situation kind of thing, they have been outplayed at times in a way you just aren't used to seeing out of a Team Canada.

 

[Striiker]

If Lowry doesn't start making adjustments then Canada will be out sooner than later. Even if he does, theyre going to have a tough time.

 

[Blender]

Honesty looking at our team's play compared to Finland/Sweden/USA/Russia it'd be amazing if we even get a medal at all.

I'll be thrilled with a medal, but I wouldn't bet on us getting one. The team hasn't looked good enough to be on the same level as the 4 you mentioned.

 

[Gary Nylund]

This is the perfect build up for a Canadian QF victorty. Team Canada loves to be written off and criticized. It's teambuilding basics. This time Gretzky doesn't even have to proclaim that everyone hates Canada.

Canada has a rather smallish and non-physical team but the blood pumping in those young players is still canadian.

Ironic that the poster who nails it has Sweden as his location. Well done sir!

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

The rule is specific to when making head or neck contact. Essentially when there is a risk of that happening you can deliver but not throw the check. Period.

So it is not funny or peculiar. It is very deliberate. Someone wrote it that was serious about head trauma but aware that circumstances come about where not all head contact can be avoided.

How, and why, they interpret it as they do is another matter. Perhaps letting Marner keep playing is more important than being consistent with the rules.

For the record: I hope Marner lights up Finland tomorrow...but he's lucky he gets to play IMO.

It's still funny/peculiar as the head part of the rule really doesn't matter. A head shot is a head shot. Neither Marner nor Egli's had any intent IMO but if they want it out of them game, they need to let players know it isn't allowed, no matter what surrounds it. It can be unfortunate but it just sends the message that you have to be careful in when/how you hit.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

It was a clean hit there was nothing wrong with it trust me everyone would have gone nutts if they though that was a dirty hit.
Im probably the biggest Canadian hater you can find on this planet when it comes to hockey but even i though it was a clean hit.

Why do you say you guys arena you a fellow swede?

I don't think Marner's hit was dirty. But I don't think Egli's hit was dirty either. But that is the issue in a nutshell and why some had a problem reading posts that vilified Egli for his hit while excusing Marner's. It is this inconsistency or contradiction in posts that drive posters crazy. Frankly I have been consistent in stating players should be more aware when they are skating through the neutral zone.

But to vilify Egli for his hit(he did not leave his feet) and say what Marner did was 100% clean. I can see why are upset. Punishment or innocence should not be defined by how high or low a pick you are.

 

[DyerMaker66*]

But to date a surprisingly bad tournament out of Team Canada.

It's not surprising to me. Hockey Canada is clueless.

 

[Super Cake]

Just noticed this game is on at 8 a.m. my time.

 

[Knies iT]

Didn't want to start a separate thread for this...

Can someone who's watched all the games rank Canada's 7 d-men based on their play in the tournament so far? Thanks.

Hicketts
Dermott
Chabot

Fleury

Hickey

Sanheim
McKeown

Sanheim and McKeown have easily been the most garbage D of the bunch. The play literally dies on their sticks. Fleury has been disappointing and average at best, Hickey has been up and down as well.

The first three (Hicketts, Chabot, Dermott) are pretty interchangeable. Each have played pretty consistently and are easily the most impactful, which says something about this group.

 

[Rebels57]

Hicketts
Dermott
Chabot

Fleury

Hickey

Sanheim
McKeown

Sanheim and McKeown have easily been the most garbage D of the bunch. The play literally dies on their sticks. Fleury has been disappointing and average at best, Hickey has been up and down as well.

The first three (Hicketts, Chabot, Dermott) are pretty interchangeable. Each have played pretty consistently and are easily the most impactful, which says something about this group.

Meanwhile, Sanheim hasnt been on the ice for a single goal against. He needs more ice time, especially on the PP, to be able to get into a rhythym and be effective. Wont happen with jackass Lowry coaching though.

 

[OttawaRoughRiderFan*]

Every dog has its day. Even the worst teams have one good team every tournament. Let's hope that game is tomorrow.

 

[Sasso09]

Hicketts
Dermott
Chabot

Fleury

Hickey

Sanheim
McKeown

Sanheim and McKeown have easily been the most garbage D of the bunch. The play literally dies on their sticks. Fleury has been disappointing and average at best, Hickey has been up and down as well.

The first three (Hicketts, Chabot, Dermott) are pretty interchangeable. Each have played pretty consistently and are easily the most impactful, which says something about this group.

Not sure what you're seeing in Sanheim, he's the most offensively capable defenseman they have