WJC: 2016 — Canada Roster Talk (Part IV)
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Sonny21
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Every fan base overrates their own, wasn't trying to dig at him per se. I didn't notice him enough to like or dislike him in the game, but it is based on his numbers and knowing his lethal on pp.
It just doesn't make sense why you wouldn't use one of your biggest point getting d on the pp. Does he have a great shot? If he does then he could help create room overall.
JackSlater
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Some good signs from today and some bad.
The good...
I really do think that Canada outplayed the United States. The only issues were two horrible tips by Canadian players and a perplexing reluctance to shoot.
Gauthier looked very good. On a team that has too many guys that want to carry the puck and pass it, he is exactly what is needed.
I'm not a Perlini fan, but he looked good.
Konecny and Crouse were really effective in their roles.
I seem to be one of the few who thought Point looked good when he played. I think that Canada could look significantly better just by virtue of having a healthy Point soon.
Strome, who I am not a fan of, looked quite good. Still needs to move around more though.
Hickey was good.
The bad...
Lowry seems like an idiot. It's only one game in the tournament, but some things are inexcusable as a coach. Playing Beauvillier on the PK after sitting him for most of the game? Taking Beauvillier, one of the best players on the team, out of regular rotation? The bizarre handling of Point and Barzal? Not taking a timeout when Stephens and company were clearly gassed? Not forcing the players to simplify their games and shoot the puck? The powerplay, that has been horrible since the CIS games?
The powerplay is inexcusably bad. They scored a goal, and that's nice, but that powerplay setup will not work. A PP based seemingly on stationary players and passes through traffic never will.
McDonald isn't good. He has been bad in the camps, in the QMJHL season and in this game he wasn't good. You can make an excuse for each goal, but at some point he has to make a save. More worrisome is the easy shots he lets go for rebounds and how shaky he looks in general. At least there is a solution coming soon.
McKeown is bad. Was horrible in the summer camp, was ok against the CIS, has been bad in Europe. He can't play on the PK and he shouldn't see significant time going forward. I'm not getting into any discussions about Sanheim other than to say that all of McKeown's minutes should go to him.
I don't like Lowry's over-reliance on Hicketts. Hicketts was good at times today, especially when he set the tone early with his physical play. He was also bad at times with his tip in particular being one of the stupidest plays I've seen at this level in a while. He deserves to get minutes, but not big PP, PK and EV minutes. Spread it out more. It reminds me of Don Hay and Brendan Gallagher in 2012. Gallagher was just ok in that tournament, but Hay forced him into a role he wasn't good enough for because he was his junior coach. Hicketts is no better than the non-McKeown defencemen.
Marner was bad. Simple, not debatable. He held the puck when he should have moved it and made terrible decisions when he did pass. Still should be an important player going forward, but he can't be that bad again.
The good...
I really do think that Canada outplayed the United States. The only issues were two horrible tips by Canadian players and a perplexing reluctance to shoot.
Gauthier looked very good. On a team that has too many guys that want to carry the puck and pass it, he is exactly what is needed.
I'm not a Perlini fan, but he looked good.
Konecny and Crouse were really effective in their roles.
I seem to be one of the few who thought Point looked good when he played. I think that Canada could look significantly better just by virtue of having a healthy Point soon.
Strome, who I am not a fan of, looked quite good. Still needs to move around more though.
Hickey was good.
The bad...
Lowry seems like an idiot. It's only one game in the tournament, but some things are inexcusable as a coach. Playing Beauvillier on the PK after sitting him for most of the game? Taking Beauvillier, one of the best players on the team, out of regular rotation? The bizarre handling of Point and Barzal? Not taking a timeout when Stephens and company were clearly gassed? Not forcing the players to simplify their games and shoot the puck? The powerplay, that has been horrible since the CIS games?
The powerplay is inexcusably bad. They scored a goal, and that's nice, but that powerplay setup will not work. A PP based seemingly on stationary players and passes through traffic never will.
McDonald isn't good. He has been bad in the camps, in the QMJHL season and in this game he wasn't good. You can make an excuse for each goal, but at some point he has to make a save. More worrisome is the easy shots he lets go for rebounds and how shaky he looks in general. At least there is a solution coming soon.
McKeown is bad. Was horrible in the summer camp, was ok against the CIS, has been bad in Europe. He can't play on the PK and he shouldn't see significant time going forward. I'm not getting into any discussions about Sanheim other than to say that all of McKeown's minutes should go to him.
I don't like Lowry's over-reliance on Hicketts. Hicketts was good at times today, especially when he set the tone early with his physical play. He was also bad at times with his tip in particular being one of the stupidest plays I've seen at this level in a while. He deserves to get minutes, but not big PP, PK and EV minutes. Spread it out more. It reminds me of Don Hay and Brendan Gallagher in 2012. Gallagher was just ok in that tournament, but Hay forced him into a role he wasn't good enough for because he was his junior coach. Hicketts is no better than the non-McKeown defencemen.
Marner was bad. Simple, not debatable. He held the puck when he should have moved it and made terrible decisions when he did pass. Still should be an important player going forward, but he can't be that bad again.
I never watched the game but I understand we were close until a late fluky goal. People need to get a grip. It is always either feast or famine in here.
A million things can happen between now and playoff time.
A million things can happen between now and playoff time.
Way too much emphasis on skill this year , I understand the bigger ice surface reason for more skill but I honestly didn't see one finished check on the forecheck and that virtanen kid needs to learn how to make a simple pass, should know that by now
Striiker
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Konecny is one of the smallest guys there and he's probably had the most and biggest hits so far.
usa really isnt a big team this year. only MacInnis is over 6'1" for the forwards. wouldnt say anyone but Carlo on defense is a big physical defenseman as well.
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Striiker
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Yeah, not a lot of toughness and really nobody with a mean streak. If they start getting pushed around in a game there's really nobody who's going to push back too much. Konecny plays bigger than his size but he can only do so much against 6'+ 200lbs+ players. Crouse is a big guy but he doesn't really throw his weight around and Sanheim is the biggest defensemen there (I think, never can tell with these "official" height/weights) and he's not a physical player at all.
stewpac
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Not debatable???? Wow, the only time Canada looked good was in the third while the strome line was on and it wasn't strome leading the way. I'd argue he was the best player. The point line got dominated, the only player I wouldn't single out as bad is marner. Bad game all around, good news is it's the first game and Canada has been in this situation before and came through.
Sonny21
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I liked him. He was quick with his passes for quick transition. While no one stood out as rocks, I liked Chabot, Dermott and Hicketts (except that bad tip).
Trunz05
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I don't usually post but meh whatever. My two cents on the team :
-Hicketts, I was not a fan last year and still certainly not a fan, he's being relied on too much for my liking while providing next to nothing
-Sanheim, don't understand why he's not being used on the PP a ton because that's his biggest strength. Honestly was expecting a bit more from him ( I thoight going in he'd easily be the best defenseman on the team ), but Lowry seems reluctant to play him, lots of tournament left tho.
-Mckoewn, hasn't looked good too me yet pre-tourny or otherwise don't know why he's here over Juulsen or Lauzon really, again tho lots of tournament left
-Hickey I thought was the best d today
-Dermott didn't stand out positively or negatively was just kinda there, again I expect some improvement
-Chabot, I thought he looked fine better than Dermott not quite at Hickey's level
-Fleury, pretty underwhelming, all I'll say as this post is getting long
I'll do another post on the forwards later maybe.
Again this all just my opinion, cheers.
-Hicketts, I was not a fan last year and still certainly not a fan, he's being relied on too much for my liking while providing next to nothing
-Sanheim, don't understand why he's not being used on the PP a ton because that's his biggest strength. Honestly was expecting a bit more from him ( I thoight going in he'd easily be the best defenseman on the team ), but Lowry seems reluctant to play him, lots of tournament left tho.
-Mckoewn, hasn't looked good too me yet pre-tourny or otherwise don't know why he's here over Juulsen or Lauzon really, again tho lots of tournament left
-Hickey I thought was the best d today
-Dermott didn't stand out positively or negatively was just kinda there, again I expect some improvement
-Chabot, I thought he looked fine better than Dermott not quite at Hickey's level
-Fleury, pretty underwhelming, all I'll say as this post is getting long
I'll do another post on the forwards later maybe.
Again this all just my opinion, cheers.
Rob
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Well at least he shouldn't blow the game against Denmark which is hopefully his last start.
Good analysis. Can't understand why Beauvillier is relagated to the 13th forward spot after been one of the best forward during camp. Quite surprising. Only 6 shifts in today's game. What does he see in Quenneville that I don't? Use Quenneville in the PK, for key faceoffs and for defensive mission. But to support Strome and Marner offensively, Beauvillier is a better option.
Didn't watch the game but from everything I've read Marner was horrible
Of course they were, people on here don't like him. Bob had good things to say about him and Strome, though.
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Seems like we tried to go with plan A to start the game and when that backfired we switched to plan B... only issue being that it was too late to properly implement plan b.
Am I the only one who thought Barzal made a ton of risky plays tonight? He was such a double edged sword...made some awesome plays and then some inexcusable ones. I'm a huge fan of his but damn if he wasn't cutting it close on some of those d-zone cutbacks, risky passes to the point in the o-zone...
Strome was by far our best player. Gauthier was great too.
Hopefully the team picks it up. But this game could have gone either way very easily
Am I the only one who thought Barzal made a ton of risky plays tonight? He was such a double edged sword...made some awesome plays and then some inexcusable ones. I'm a huge fan of his but damn if he wasn't cutting it close on some of those d-zone cutbacks, risky passes to the point in the o-zone...
Strome was by far our best player. Gauthier was great too.
Hopefully the team picks it up. But this game could have gone either way very easily
The Winter Soldier
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Actually I heard Bobby Mac say Strome and Barzal were the 2 most noticeable offensive Team Canada players this game.
He did point to Strome being the best Canadian, but said he felt that #1 line did not play as well as it could. They were not in sync. So there is room for improvement.
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