Waa! Waa! Put up with what most of have in the past 15 years, you'd be salty too.
2015 NHL Draft Thread IV (6/26-7PM, 6/27-10AM)
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Waa! Waa! Put up with what most of have in the past 15 years, you'd be salty too.
Sorry if that bothers you. Again, no real issue with the draft picks, I welcome them to the organization. My issue is that I was hoping for more action on the trade front. Probably more than in any year before. Too many good players were "on the market" and I thought this was the year to make a splash. If that's letdown, then absolutely. If it's whiny, then so be it. Seems like the same story every year and really it gets old.
Crede777
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Just wait till next year when we will have 20 forwards on one-way contracts, 4 first rounders, and 8 2nds. That's when we will make a move.
EspenK
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I think you are being a bit facetious but at some point we are going to have to trade someone or sometwo to make room. If not on the NHL roster then on Mayor's 50 contract list.
I don't get those here who can't understand the concept of we are trying to build the best 23 man roster we can not protect individual players.
For example Wennberg appears to be a pretty good player. But so are Joey,Dubi,Jenner,Arty if we want to keep him. Letestu if we want to re-sign him and Karlsson & Cahput as serviceable 4c's. Enough to ice 4 strong C's. We don't need Wennberg (although I understand having him is good). We need a top 4 RHD. If Wennberg is part of the price we need to pay so be it. Same for Jenner, Rychel, just about anyone except Joey imo.
LW- same story. Foligno, Hartnell, Jenner,Rychell, Bittner, Milano, Calvert. 7 guys for 3 spots.
All are not equally ready now but the point is we have a lot of F's and some are going to have to go sooner or later. Hopefully other teams value them as much as some here do and we can use a few to upgrade the D.
We ABSOLUTELY need Wennberg. How do you figure we don't need our future #2 C. Anisimov won't be here much longer. Dubinsky can play W. You don't trade a really good player like Wennberg to keep guys like Karlsson and Chaput. Here is a crazy idea. Let's keep our best players and keep depth. That doesn't mean don't trade anyone, but don't go trading all of our good young players just because. I mean, if you really need to make room, get rid of some of the guys who make more money and don't have the same potential.
EspenK
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I rest my case.
You don't trade a guy like Wennberg to keep guys like Karlsson & Chaput - you trade guys like him to get guys like him that play positions where we need to improve.
Dude, I'm in the same boat with you.
And since I'm drunk I'd have to tell you something. I've seen 3 Stanley Cup parades walking at my house. In the Ukrainian village in Illinois. Which is 0.5 miles away from United Center. You know what? I'm still waiting for the 1st Blue Jackets cup. Even though I spend more time in my homecountry.
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Yeah, and by trading him, you will need to trade for someone to improve our C, because we will have guys that aren't good enough now playing there. You are just creating one need to fill another. We have legit replacements for guys like Rychel and Anisimov. We don't for Wennberg.
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Crede777
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Not all roster holes are the same, though. I would absolutely open up a hole at 2C if it means filling the hole on our top pairing. Just as I would open up a hole on our 2nd pairing to fill our top line center position.
The issue is that we don't know what Wennberg is yet, whether he is a 3C, 2C, or even a 1C. Also, if we think we can fill the top pairing hole by moving other, less important assets, we should.
EspenK
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Joey
Dubi
Jenner
4C
New top 4 D
what is wrong with that?
I'm not saying we should trade him, I said we could for the right guy and not hurt the team. Substitute him for Jenner in my list above that works too. Or trade Rychel/Milano and move Jenner back to W. It's called flexibility and we should use it to our advantage if at all possible.
Point is if we want a top D guy now we are going to have to pay and it isn't going to happen trading 3rd and 4th liners.
CBJWerenski8
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About to do some research on our picks. However I am a bit disappointed we didn't make a deal to alleviate our glut of forward or help our defense. But there's still plenty of offseason left.
Will post later my thoughts on the draft
Will post later my thoughts on the draft
Fro
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Agree EspenK. ..now would be the time to make a move like that...we have dubi/arty/Jenner to play 2/3C...we have some freedom to make a move and not impact the scoring much...and if cbj prospects can be swayed from moving wennberg for a top pairing D, like I just heard him say at the bar tonight, it solidifies my thinking 
This, and I think we just saw last season how vital it is to have quality depth. There is zero chance the Jackets will get through a season needing only 23 players. Rychel/Milano/Bjorkstrand/Karlsson may not have a place on the roster if everyone's healthy, but everyone is never going to be healthy. They'll get their chances. I'm very against trading guys just because you don't have room for them. Spots can open up at any time, and it's better to have someone you trust when that time comes. Does anyone want to see Corey Tropp on the second line again? I sure don't.
There might be some good arguments for not moving Wennberg, a "hole" in the lineup is not one of them. Dubinsky is a very good 2c, signed for a long time.
Right side D:
1st pair: vacant
2: Savard
3: Golo
Depth: Prout
You can make good arguments why depth up front is valuable in itself, but you can't use it to argue that we shouldn't move forward(s) for d help, unless you're of the view that forward depth is more important than having a competent defense.
1st pair: vacant
2: Savard
3: Golo
Depth: Prout
You can make good arguments why depth up front is valuable in itself, but you can't use it to argue that we shouldn't move forward(s) for d help, unless you're of the view that forward depth is more important than having a competent defense.
ClevelandJacketFan
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I think a legitimate argument could be made that opening up a spot at center from where Wennberg would be would create a bigger problem for the Jackets to fill than defensemen.
Young, talented defensemen get traded all the time. How many times do talented centers get traded? Nearly never, unless they really aren't thought of as the backbone of a team.
Wennberg isn't untouchable, but he and Johansen along with Jenner, Bob, and Murray are about as close as one could get.
OTOH, guys like Anisimov and Atkinson could be easily be replaced by our depth of centermen we have in our system right now.
IDK. The Jackets clearly need an improvement, probably vast improvement on the top pairing line. But I'm also fairly confident that the Jackets can find the right guy too. It doesn't need to be an extremely long term answer either, with all the young talent we have in the system, guys who could be expensive now could be replaced by younger, maybe better players.
Young, talented defensemen get traded all the time. How many times do talented centers get traded? Nearly never, unless they really aren't thought of as the backbone of a team.
Wennberg isn't untouchable, but he and Johansen along with Jenner, Bob, and Murray are about as close as one could get.
OTOH, guys like Anisimov and Atkinson could be easily be replaced by our depth of centermen we have in our system right now.
IDK. The Jackets clearly need an improvement, probably vast improvement on the top pairing line. But I'm also fairly confident that the Jackets can find the right guy too. It doesn't need to be an extremely long term answer either, with all the young talent we have in the system, guys who could be expensive now could be replaced by younger, maybe better players.
This post makes me wonder if we traded away Dubinsky and no one bothered to tell me. How else could it be that we have Dubi not "untouchable" but Wennberg, who will be very lucky if he's ever Dubi-good, is in the same group with Joey?
There can be no Wennberg vacancy because we don't have a spot for him in the top 6 without moving a better player out of position. There's no hole at all.
And no, young top pair d do not get moved all the time. That's why the league is so in shock over the Hamilton fiasco.
ClevelandJacketFan
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Dubinsky is up there, thought of him after I made the post, too lazy and too late to edit it. He's up there in the untouchables.
As for the centers vs defensemen...I can think of more super star defensemen who have been traded than super star centers. Meaningless, but I think it's harder to find a super star center than a stud defensemen. JMHO.
As for the centers vs defensemen...I can think of more super star defensemen who have been traded than super star centers. Meaningless, but I think it's harder to find a super star center than a stud defensemen. JMHO.
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I really liked the Werenski, Bittner, Stenlund, Vainio picks. I liked the Carlsson, Kolesar, Gavrikov picks. I don't see an nhl future for ruopp or nutivaara. Don't know why we have picked an older prospect two straight years (At least it wasn't a 3rd rounder like Elvis was last year) but it's whatever, its only a 7th.
I really think Gavrikov and Vainio could be steals for us down the line.
I really think Gavrikov and Vainio could be steals for us down the line.
Xoggz22
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I think must of us will want to see help at the NHL level but not everything had to happen at the draft. We STILL have all those bullets to make a move and forwards to thin from the roster. Granted, picks offer more value before being used but now the CBJ had a better idea of the overall prospect pool to see what to move without making the future thinner.
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Light the Lamp
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I think people here need to put into perspective that a good draft is having 3 picks making it to the NHL with 500+ games.
Every one of these players have limitations in some area, physical or mental, that will be exposed, preventing their dreams to come true.
Every one of these players have limitations in some area, physical or mental, that will be exposed, preventing their dreams to come true.
Dr. Fire
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People need to remember, this is a very young team. JD and JK are giving players time to show what they can do. A lot of our guys are still in the "potential" mode. Their trade value is either going to get better or worse. Teams will be reluctant to give much value back because of this great unknown. The CBJ are not going to make a trade just to make a trade and they are not going to want to trade guys that may be very good for someone that isn't going to be a very good player for us.
As for the draft, I am not unhappy about our picks. Every team in the league has no idea how picks will pan out, so we can only hope we got lucky and some of ours turn out to be good ones.
As to Wennberg. As Wennberg improved last season so improved the CBJ. Much of the improvement happened because guys came back from injury, both for the team and for Wennberg, but Wennberg gets some credit too. He is only going to get better.
As for the draft, I am not unhappy about our picks. Every team in the league has no idea how picks will pan out, so we can only hope we got lucky and some of ours turn out to be good ones.
As to Wennberg. As Wennberg improved last season so improved the CBJ. Much of the improvement happened because guys came back from injury, both for the team and for Wennberg, but Wennberg gets some credit too. He is only going to get better.
Nutivaara has already reached a level that maybe only 1/3 picks ever achieve.
This spring he was a top-4 defender for an elite European team in his Finnish league rookie season. It's bit different to break into the Oulun Kärpät, the famous team of the North filled with Finnish internationals including some Olympic experience. Finnish champions twice in a row now also. So it ain't like Nutivaara had his first taste of professional hockey playing for some village team.
Not to mention that their defensive roster must have been the most expensive one there is - hence Nutivaara leaping over some big names to get where he was come play-off time.
Do that when you are 18 and you are a top-10 pick. Keep on progressing at 21 and similar to Markus Hännikäinen you get a contract from the Blue Jackets when you are 22, 23 or 24.
