2015 NHL Draft Thread IV (6/26-7PM, 6/27-10AM)

[Jackets16]

I did his for the prospects bord, but thought I would post it here. Our team if you only included players under 24 years old.

Boone Jenner (22yo) - Ryan Johansen (22yo) - Oliver Bjorkstrand (20yo)
Kerby Rychel (20yo) - Alexander Wennberg (20yo) - Marko Dano (20yo)
Sonny Milano (19yo) - William Karlsson (22yo) - Daniel Zaar (21yo)
Paul Bittner (18yo) - T.J. Tynan (23yo) - Josh Anderson (21yo)

Ryan Murray (21yo) - David Savard (24yo)
Zach Werenski (17yo) - Ryan Collins (19yo)
Dillon Heaherington (20yo) - Austin Madaisky (23yo)
Gabriel Carlsson (18yo) - Blake Siebenaler (19yo)

Anton Forsberg (22yo)
Oscar Dansk (21yo)
Joonas Korpisalo (21yo)
Elvis Merzlikins (21yo)

 

[KJ Dangler]

I rest my case.

You don't trade a guy like Wennberg to keep guys like Karlsson & Chaput - you trade guys like him to get guys like him that play positions where we need to improve.

No offense , but your dead wrong . Wennberg , is a center, on a rookie deal , that looked better than Ryjo did his rookie season . I'm not saying his ceiling is as high , but the way Wennberg closed the season , you would be insane to consider moving him . It's proven time and time again , u have to be strong down the middle to compete for the cup . You trade guys like anisimov, cam, not young center man that could be studs .

 

[Jackets16]

No offense , but your dead wrong . Wennberg , is a center, on a rookie deal , that looked better than Ryjo did his rookie season . I'm not saying his ceiling is as high , but the way Wennberg closed the season , you would be insane to consider moving him . It's proven time and time again , u have to be strong down the middle to compete for the cup . You trade guys like anisimov, cam, not young center man that could be studs .

I can think of A LOT of guys I would trade before I would trade Wennberg. Not only what you, and I, have mentioned, but look who is behind him at C. Karlsson, Tynan, and Chaput. Yes, we have Dubinsky now, but Wennberg will pass him at C soon, IMO, and he can play W.

 

[pete goegan]

People need to remember, this is a very young team. JD and JK are giving players time to show what they can do. A lot of our guys are still in the "potential" mode. Their trade value is either going to get better or worse. Teams will be reluctant to give much value back because of this great unknown. The CBJ are not going to make a trade just to make a trade and they are not going to want to trade guys that may be very good for someone that isn't going to be a very good player for us.

As for the draft, I am not unhappy about our picks. Every team in the league has no idea how picks will pan out, so we can only hope we got lucky and some of ours turn out to be good ones.

As to Wennberg. As Wennberg improved last season so improved the CBJ. Much of the improvement happened because guys came back from injury, both for the team and for Wennberg, but Wennberg gets some credit too. He is only going to get better.

Good take, all around, Doc!

 

[EspenK]

No offense , but your dead wrong . Wennberg , is a center, on a rookie deal , that looked better than Ryjo did his rookie season . I'm not saying his ceiling is as high , but the way Wennberg closed the season , you would be insane to consider moving him . It's proven time and time again , u have to be strong down the middle to compete for the cup . You trade guys like anisimov, cam, not young center man that could be studs .

And you get like in return. WTF is wrong with you guys who take everything in the absolute? Trading a guy like Wennberg, who you are projecting to be the 2nd coming of Joey, is what is necessary if we are to get a guy who could become the 2nd coming of Drew Doughty. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

And I believe you also have to be strong on D to compete for the Cup.

 

[Jackets16]

And you get like in return. WTF is wrong with you guys who take everything in the absolute? Trading a guy like Wennberg, who you are projecting to be the 2nd coming of Joey, is what is necessary if we are to get a guy who could become the 2nd coming of Drew Doughty. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

And I believe you also have to be strong on D to compete for the Cup.

Look at our C prospects after Wennberg. Look at our D prospects. You act like we are frickin terrible and that we will only win if we get some 1st pairing d (that isn't even out there). Some of us like having a good, deep team for once. I personally can wait a year or 2 until we have hopefully developed another good D. Why can I wait? Because we are already good and we have so much depth that we are going to be good for a long time.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

Here's to the Jackets future..

I did his for the prospects bord, but thought I would post it here. Our team if you only included players under 24 years old.

Boone Jenner (22yo) - Ryan Johansen (22yo) - Oliver Bjorkstrand (20yo)
Kerby Rychel (20yo) - Alexander Wennberg (20yo) - Marko Dano (20yo)
Sonny Milano (19yo) - William Karlsson (22yo) - Daniel Zaar (21yo)
Paul Bittner (18yo) - T.J. Tynan (23yo) - Josh Anderson (21yo)

Ryan Murray (21yo) - David Savard (24yo)
Zach Werenski (17yo) - Ryan Collins (19yo)
Dillon Heaherington (20yo) - Austin Madaisky (23yo)
Gabriel Carlsson (18yo) - Blake Siebenaler (19yo)

Anton Forsberg (22yo)
Oscar Dansk (21yo)
Joonas Korpisalo (21yo)
Elvis Merzlikins (21yo)

I look at this roster of young talent and I am very happy with the future. Those that might be upset feeling that the last 15 years have been a waste, i get your point, but my perspective is that is water over the bridge.. gone hopefully not to be repeated.

Had we gotten a front office of John Davidson & Jarmo in the beginning I feel we definitely would have had more success by now. I feel the success coming, I feel us playing a brand of hockey that will make us tough to play against and bring us success. Kane, Toews, Sharp, Hossa, they are all stars but guys like Ryjo, Foligno, Dubinsky, Jenner, Wennberg are very good players, & my hope is that Milano, Bjork, Bittner, Dano can be future stars too.

Defense: we need defense, & my hope is that an Erhoff, Martin or Green looks at our team & says.. "I can go to the Blue Jackets and be the missing piece. I can stand on the Blue line and put the puck on goal.. I can shut down the other teams top winger.. I can spring Ryjo, Foligno, Jenner for break outs.. and when needed I can skate the friggin puck in and blast away" I thought Kris Russell or John Moore would be this guy.. but I have seen Anton Stralman play better than I ever thought possible and we cast him a side. So I know this hole can be filled and expectations can be exceeded

I only ask that JD play the clips of Nationwide in the playoffs against Pittsburgh and ask each of these guys if they want to be the one to help bring the plan together and bring this team into the playoffs.. this could truly be a career high point for the guy that fills that one spot of top pairing puck mover

 

[Dr. Fire]

Look at our C prospects after Wennberg. Look at our D prospects. You act like we are frickin terrible and that we will only win if we get some 1st pairing d (that isn't even out there). Some of us like having a good, deep team for once. I personally can wait a year or 2 until we have hopefully developed another good D. Why can I wait? Because we are already good and we have so much depth that we are going to be good for a long time.

I agree, and might I add, is our D really that bad? It may not be a Preds caliber defense, but I would bet their are plenty of other teams out there that would love to have some of our guys. I am not at all saying we stand pat. I realize that our depth is thin. But if our guys can stay relatively healthy, I think we have just enough depth to do pretty well this season while our young D guys develop.

My thought is that the keys to our D this coming season are that Murray stays healthy, Savard and Goly continue to improve, and somehow Cotton figures out how to stop being a major turn-over machine. These things happen, and I think we are in pretty good shape with Bob behind them.

 

[Jackets16]

 

[OldGoaltender]

We need to trade guys like Artem or Cam, or sign an older top line defense guy. We've got some real potential now with this draft. Getting a youngish type top line defensive guy would be nice but not at the cost of any of of top tier younger guys.

That's just my two cents.

 

[Jackets16]

personally..

Werenski - excited for him, thought he was BPA
Carlsson - interesting.. little wary of the pick but I'm praying he turns into a Niklas Hjalmarsson type
Bittner - super excited for him, thought he was a great pick at 38th
Stenlund - was meh at first but after looking into it a bit he was a fast riser this year and at least has the size/smarts to be a potential 3C so I'm a little more intrigued
Kolesar - meh
Ruopp - very meh
Vainio - super excited, he's got the tools and size he just needs to learn how to put them all together
Gavrikov - for a 6th rounder I'm pretty happy with this.. yeah, he's just another big shutdown D but I think he's got the potential to be one of the best in our prospect pool
Nutivaara - meh

My grades based on who we picked and where we picked them.

Werenski - A+
Carlsson - A
Bittner - A+
Stenlund - C-
Kolesar - C
Ruopp - C-
Vainio - B
Gavrikov - B
Nutivaara - D

Overall, I'd give it an A-.

 

[KJ Dangler]

And you get like in return. WTF is wrong with you guys who take everything in the absolute? Trading a guy like Wennberg, who you are projecting to be the 2nd coming of Joey, is what is necessary if we are to get a guy who could become the 2nd coming of Drew Doughty. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

And I believe you also have to be strong on D to compete for the Cup.

It's not hard to comprehend , a healthy Murray is a huge upgrade . And slides most of our defenders to their appropriate pairing . Both Cody and Savard improved a lot last year . If I were wanting to improve the defense , I would focus on moving Jack Johnson . Add in cam / anisimov or rychel to improve the defense . We have too many forwards . Wennberg was great last year the latter part of the season , he was thrown into a position he wasnt ready for , due to injuries , and fought thru it to become re markedly improved . Towards the end of last season , there were quite a few games where he looked to be one of the best players on the ice , and he's a centerman at that . You have to be deep down the middle to compete in today's NHL

 

[Tulipunaruusu*]

Columbus scout Josef Boumedienne used to play for the team that Nutivaara was selected from and he still has close relations with the operational staff there.

Boumedienne might be one of the only handful or so scouts who witnesses Nutivaara's meteoric rise live during the semi-final series against JYP. The final series against Tappara was played during the World Under 18 Championship's, so pretty much all the European scouts must've been in Switzerland then.

I was thinking Nutivaara would go a bit earlier than that, but I guess the somewhat limited exposure played a role here.

Good insight from Tormentor on the main boards regarding late bloomer Nutivaara...

Boumedienne (dual citizen of both Sweden and Finland and former top European defender) might have been at the right place, right time scouting his former team Kärpät.

 

[ClevelandJacketFan]

I cannot grade the draft yet, but I will say that I'm glad we have a scouting team and FO that seems to know who fits our system and what kind of prospects we lack in system.

Feels like Kek understands that we are going to be a big athletic team, that Todd Richards thrives with bigger and more athletic players on the roster, and that's how we will win in the NHL. The Jackets finally have organizational philosophies, one that has been shown on the ice to be successful by the big club, and they are setting themselves up for success in the draft.

 

[db2011]

I cannot grade the draft yet, but I will say that I'm glad we have a scouting team and FO that seems to know who fits our system and what kind of prospects we lack in system.

Feels like Kek understands that we are going to be a big athletic team, that Todd Richards thrives with bigger and more athletic players on the roster, and that's how we will win in the NHL. The Jackets finally have organizational philosophies, one that has been shown on the ice to be successful by the big club, and they are setting themselves up for success in the draft.

Was thinking along the same lines

 

[db2011]

I did his for the prospects bord, but thought I would post it here. Our team if you only included players under 24 years old.

Boone Jenner (22yo) - Ryan Johansen (22yo) - Oliver Bjorkstrand (20yo)
Kerby Rychel (20yo) - Alexander Wennberg (20yo) - Marko Dano (20yo)
Sonny Milano (19yo) - William Karlsson (22yo) - Daniel Zaar (21yo)
Paul Bittner (18yo) - T.J. Tynan (23yo) - Josh Anderson (21yo)

Ryan Murray (21yo) - David Savard (24yo)
Zach Werenski (17yo) - Ryan Collins (19yo)
Dillon Heaherington (20yo) - Austin Madaisky (23yo)
Gabriel Carlsson (18yo) - Blake Siebenaler (19yo)

Anton Forsberg (22yo)
Oscar Dansk (21yo)
Joonas Korpisalo (21yo)
Elvis Merzlikins (21yo)

This is so encouraging. It's almost like there are 2 teams here- the current one with great veterans most of whom Jarmo inherited (not a bad thing at all or a criticism, but undeniable), and the young one he's assembling that looks so damned promising. I really wonder if the post-Howson "rebuild" was anything near as challenging as expected; there didn't seem to be much of a transition and many of Howson's guys were given extensions (and a captaincy) by his successors, including the coach, and kudos again to them for recognizing what was working.

Point is, due to the competitiveness of a fair share of the incumbents, I'm pretty satisfied that we actually have used so many of our picks. When we had 3 firsts last year, I wouldnt have been surprised to make a package to move up, but instead we used all three and hit on at least two. This year we used almost all of our many picks and it feels like we have finally a very well-stocked prospect pool in terms of talent. Very exciting.

And I agree with you re: Wennberg. You don't trade him. Heck, I'm not crazy about trading Rychel. Yes we need help on D, but we just drafted Werenski, a projected top pair guy who will hopefully be ready to go around the time of Ollie B and Sonny. And I swear, Murray is being way too heavily discounted around here. If he stays healthy next year, which isn't that big of an if, our needs will look quite different.

Once Joey is the seasoned veteran leader of this team, we're gonna be pretty good, thanks in large part to Jarmo's drafting/use of picks instead of packaging them for roster players.

Sorry for a long post- I haven't posted in a while and wanted to weigh in on the draft now that it's finished.

 

[db2011]

And you get like in return. WTF is wrong with you guys who take everything in the absolute? Trading a guy like Wennberg, who you are projecting to be the 2nd coming of Joey, is what is necessary if we are to get a guy who could become the 2nd coming of Drew Doughty. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

And I believe you also have to be strong on D to compete for the Cup.

Regarding your first sentence- but isn't this team in a position where trading Cam, AA would be about creating roster space? And getting picks in return? I swear, from the draft to trades, you are a sucker for the spectacle. I get that you want a big name #1 D, but I trust Jarmo that if the price was too high, better not to be a mark. In Murray and Werenski, we have two very good prospects who should be established by the time the "glut" of forward prospects are ready to open it up- and that includes Wennberg.

I get that you're old, but we are only talking a couple of years here

 

[Crede777]

I think Porty summed it up quite well in his draft article. He said that the 2019-2020 Jackets will sure be great but what about the 2015-2016 Jackets?

The Jackets next season are, by far, my greatest concern. I simply want them to be as good as possible. My issue is, if Murray doesn't stay healthy and both Hartnell and Foligno see a regression in production after their monstrous (and honestly surprising) season, then the Jackets strategy goes back to what it has been the last few years: Hoping Joey and Bob can somehow carry us to the playoffs.

 

[Jackets16]

I think Porty summed it up quite well in his draft article. He said that the 2019-2020 Jackets will sure be great but what about the 2015-2016 Jackets?

The Jackets next season are, by far, my greatest concern. I simply want them to be as good as possible. My issue is, if Murray doesn't stay healthy and both Hartnell and Foligno see a regression in production after their monstrous (and honestly surprising) season, then the Jackets strategy goes back to what it has been the last few years: Hoping Joey and Bob can somehow carry us to the playoffs.

And what happens if Dubinsky has a normal year and Wennberg and Dano keep developing? Some here seem to take the most negative view possible with this team.

 

[db2011]

I think Porty summed it up quite well in his draft article. He said that the 2019-2020 Jackets will sure be great but what about the 2015-2016 Jackets?

The Jackets next season are, by far, my greatest concern. I simply want them to be as good as possible. My issue is, if Murray doesn't stay healthy and both Hartnell and Foligno see a regression in production after their monstrous (and honestly surprising) season, then the Jackets strategy goes back to what it has been the last few years: Hoping Joey and Bob can somehow carry us to the playoffs.

Porty's being disingenuous there, but my play-along response would be, how good will the 2019-2020 Jackets be if we trade them to help a 2015-2016 team that has a strong chance of making the playoffs as-is?

 

[db2011]

And what happens if Dubinsky has a normal year and Wennberg and Dano keep developing? Some here seem to take the most negative view possible with this team.

Bingo. Although the kerfuffle is about the defense.

Still, it would have been nice to fill the hole on D, but not at an outrageous price. IMO, in contrast to some others, now is not the time to strike. We are looking to be very good soon, thanks to drafting players with all of those picks. Plus, we are pretty good now. This wasn't a do-nothing draft.

 

[Light the Lamp]

I fully expect Hartnell and Foligno to regress on their production. However, I expect Boone and Dubi to fill in those gaps. I also think Clarkson, Dano and Wenny will improve as well. If Dano and Wennberg have slow starts, there is Rychel and Anderson to be called up.

I also like keeping Arty around, since he is in a contract year. History shows contracts years are quite productive.

 

[EspenK]

2108-19 Jacket F roster with no trades:

Clarkson
Joey
Jenner
Foligno
Calvert
Atkinson
Dubinsky
Hartnell
Karlsson
Wennberg
Rychel
Dano
Bjorkstrand
Milano
Bittner

Someone please explain how all those guys (15 of them) fit under the cap and who is the 4th line there and who are the healthy scratches? And the following year is the same except Hartnell goes away.

And for those who say we can trade Cam I ask- for what kind of return and the question still remains as to who plays 4th line duty & who sits.

Maybe somebody doesn't develop, which would be amazing considering how dear many hold these guys.

 

[Jackets16]

Porty's being disingenuous there, but my play-along response would be, how good will the 2019-2020 Jackets be if we trade them to help a 2015-2016 team that has a strong chance of making the playoffs as-is?

I feel better about next year than I have any other year.

 

[Jackets16]

2108-19 Jacket F roster with no trades:

Clarkson
Joey
Jenner
Foligno
Calvert
Atkinson
Dubinsky
Hartnell
Karlsson
Wennberg
Rychel
Dano
Bjorkstrand
Milano
Bittner

Someone please explain how all those guys (15 of them) fit under the cap and who is the 4th line there and who are the healthy scratches? And the following year is the same except Hartnell goes away.

And for those who say we can trade Cam I ask- for what kind of return and the question still remains as to who plays 4th line duty & who sits.

Maybe somebody doesn't develop, which would be amazing considering how dear many hold these guys.

I'll worry about that in 2018. Who knows what will happen between now and then.