kingsfan
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Depends how far down and whose on the board, but I would not be completely opposed to it.
Prospect Info: 2015 Draft Thread
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Depends how far down and whose on the board, but I would not be completely opposed to it.
Whiskeypete
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it isn't a bad scenario, but there are the "what ifs" to consider. late 1st rounder i say do it. early 2nd maybe.
in any event, 100% of salary has to go with him to do it. that is the only way i give up the high #13 pick.
beyond this and who Dean/Futa and Co pick will be BPA, but man they've got to get some top end skill talent. enough with the top end BPA utility players. Kings struggle to score and need speed, they need to take some gambles on top end talent to offset the usual picks
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kingsfan
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Zykov's #'s actually have improved if you consider things on the average. Zykov missed several games due to injury, add in those games and his scoring would have likely improved significantly.
I wonder if we could deal our first + Richards to Buffalo for their later first plus Nick D?
Not sure if LA has room on the wing for Deslauries but I still like the guy
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Whiskeypete
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i would rather get the rights to Fasching back. we have enough utility guys like Nic
KingsOfCali25
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Weal's potential is a #2 Center
O'Neil's potential is a #3 RW
Kempe's potential is a #1/#2 LW
Zykov's potential is a #2/#3 RW
Brodzinski's potential is a #2 Winger
Mersch's potential is a #2/#3 LW
Dowd's potential is a #3 Center
The Kings do need more blue chip forward prospects but they have some good ones.
would love that but I think it would be getting too greedy. I think I was greedy enough with the NickD proposal haha
Zykov's numbers are down from his draft year, both in goals per game (0.58 versus 0.45) and points per game (1.09 vs 1.00).
2012-13
Regular Season: 0.60 GPG, 1.12 PPG (67-40-35-75)
Playoffs: 0.53 GPG, 1.00 PPG (19-10-9-19)
Combined: 0.58 GPG, 1.09 PPG (86-50-44-94)
2013-14
Regular Season: 0.43 GPG, 1.19 PPG (53-23-40-63)
Playoffs: 0.32 GPG, 1.00 PPG (22-7-15-22)
Combined: 0.40 GPG, 1.13 PPG (75-30-55-85)
2014-15
Regular Season: 0.50 GPG, 1.10 PPG (42-21-25-46)
Playoffs: 0.27 GPG, 0.64 PPG (11-3-4-7)
Combined: 0.45 GPG, 1.00 PPG (53-24-29-53)
kingsfan
President of the Todd McLellan fan club by default
This touches really on what I was saying. If, and it's always a big if when talking about prospects, but if everyone lives up to what you list as their potential, then we have two guys you yourself say are top two guys for sure (Kempe and Brodzinski). The rest, even up to their potential, could still max out at third line (based on your #2/#3 status).
That's honestly pretty bad when only two guys seem to have legit top two line potential since a fair number of prospects don't reach their potential. Odds are pretty solid only one of those players reaches the top two lines to be honest.
kingsfan
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As Sam showed, no he hasn't improved. Also, in junior for an offensive player like Zykov, your numbers should be going up. Each year he has more experience and fewer older players to deal with. In his draft year he was an 18-year-old in his first year in the league, first year in NA for that matter, and playing against players mostly his age or older. Now he's in his third year, playing against guys his age or younger. His PPG should have risen noticeably. It hasn't, it's dropped. He had 40 goals his draft year, he's had 44 since, in 28 more games. That's not a good omen.
KingsOfCali25
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Honestly, if they live up to their potential and the Kings combine it with what the Kings already have. The Kings should be fine. And with where they normally pick in the later parts of the draft, that is actually some good talent. It's not about picking someone with top line potential. It's about picking someone that fits your team and developing them into a top line player.
Within the next 5 years of having prospect development...
Pearson--XXX--Toffoli
Kempe--Weal--Brodzinski
Zykov--Shore--O'Neill
Mersch--Dowd--Auger
XXX--Zacha/Konecny
This is the issue. Contracts like Richards' have a cap recapture penalty associated with them. Basically the Kings had a lower cap hit by extending the length of the contract (Kings didn't make the contract, but benefited from it). If the Kings trade Richards and he retires before the end of the contract the Kings get a cap penalty. I'm unsure as to how much it would be because the information was on capgeek.
In order to protect from the recapture penalty the Kings would have to retain salary on Richards to "pay back" the cap advantage they had with his contract over the last few years. So even if Lombardi could put together a package where another GM would take Richards at full value, there is a substantial risk to the cap in the event that Richards retires before his contract is up.
this is a good point. I keep forgetting about the recapture and the fact retaining salary helps mitigate the risk.
Although other than Kovalchuk who was the last big contract to retire before their contract expired? Doesn't seem to happen much anymore.
KingsOfCali25
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He was also told by Kings management to work on his full 200 ft game so he has a better chance to make the NHL faster out of JRs.
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Here are Zykov's #'s to date.
2012-13 Baie-Comeau Drakkar QMJHL 67gp 40g 35a 75p 60pm +29
2013-14 Baie-Comeau Drakkar QMJHL 53gp 23g 40a 63p 70pm +32
2014-15 Baie-Comeau Drakkar QMJHL 16gp 6g 12a 18p 22pm +0
2014-15 Gatineau Olympiques QMJHL 26gp 15g 13a 28p 38pm +4
2014-15 Total Combined Points QMJHL 42gp 21g 25a 46p 60pm +4
So in so far as his regular season stats show he has played in less games each of his two seasons since entering the Q. His first season he had 75 points and played in 14 more games then he did in his second season where he scored a total of 63 points. During his second season where he played 14 less games his +/- went up slightly as did his penalty minutes. All in a very solid second season and one where had he played in as many games as he did in his first season could very well have ended up at or near the same total point production as he did in his first or at least close enough to where it would be a minor difference. Now go to this past season his 3rd in the Q where his play was limited to a total of 42 games. His 21g and 25a combined 46 points in 42 games very easily should have seen him put up the same near or more than he did during his first season.
My point is that his scoring hasn't dropped off considerably at all. If anything he his scoring all things considered has remained pretty consistent over the past 3 years. Same can be said with his playoff scoring.
19 10 9 19 18
22 7 15 22 14
11 3 4 7 20
His production is very very consistent all things considered.
2012-13 Baie-Comeau Drakkar QMJHL 67gp 40g 35a 75p 60pm +29
2013-14 Baie-Comeau Drakkar QMJHL 53gp 23g 40a 63p 70pm +32
2014-15 Baie-Comeau Drakkar QMJHL 16gp 6g 12a 18p 22pm +0
2014-15 Gatineau Olympiques QMJHL 26gp 15g 13a 28p 38pm +4
2014-15 Total Combined Points QMJHL 42gp 21g 25a 46p 60pm +4
So in so far as his regular season stats show he has played in less games each of his two seasons since entering the Q. His first season he had 75 points and played in 14 more games then he did in his second season where he scored a total of 63 points. During his second season where he played 14 less games his +/- went up slightly as did his penalty minutes. All in a very solid second season and one where had he played in as many games as he did in his first season could very well have ended up at or near the same total point production as he did in his first or at least close enough to where it would be a minor difference. Now go to this past season his 3rd in the Q where his play was limited to a total of 42 games. His 21g and 25a combined 46 points in 42 games very easily should have seen him put up the same near or more than he did during his first season.
My point is that his scoring hasn't dropped off considerably at all. If anything he his scoring all things considered has remained pretty consistent over the past 3 years. Same can be said with his playoff scoring.
19 10 9 19 18
22 7 15 22 14
11 3 4 7 20
His production is very very consistent all things considered.
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Whiskeypete
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good call T, i don't know, remember or most often understand all the fine points of the cap and CBA.
if not 100% then max amount goes the other way. whether that is 50% or 80%. if DL could swap picks and offload 50% of Richards contract I would be good with that. he needs cap room, TTT needs a contract, Kopitar needs a contract, etc.
Canada isn't helping the cap issue Dean is facing
Stats listed were goals per game, points per game, games played, goals, assists, points. It was fairly self-explanatory, but I'll bold the games played to help you out.
His goals per game were down 22.1% from his draft year (50 goals in 86 games in his draft year versus 24 goals in 53 games), and his points per game was down 8.5% (94 points in 86 games in his draft year versus 53 points in 53 games).
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kingsfan
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The bolded is the issue with what you suggest. Not all of those players will pan out. Likely half won't. And those that do, few will reach their full potential. It's the nature of prospects. You have Kempe-Weal-Brodzinski all on the 2nd line. I'll bet you my house that doesn't happen.
Like every prospect since the mid-90s has been asked.
kingsfan
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And my point is it shouldn't drop off at all. It should go up. Look at junior careers for offensive forwards. They consistently increase year after year and for those who don't see an increase, many never reach the NHL.
You think it's a good thing if Toffoli's numbers stayed about par with his rookie season this season? Same thing for Zykov. He should be well ahead of those rookie totals.
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The vast majority of top six players are 1st round picks. It's hard to land one, passed the first round.
Raccoon Jesus
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Exactly. We've already lived through that era here, too, so you would think we'd already have that ingrained. For every Tanner Pearson, there's a Pavel Rosa. For every Tyler Toffoli, there's a Petr Kanko. And for all the d-prospects we have in the system, I guarantee no more than 4 have substantial enough NHL action to call it an NHL 'career'. That's no slight on their abilities, it's just a numbers game at some point, unless we have the best stable in the history of hockey.
It's okay to be hopeful and love their promise, but penciling three current prospects in onto our second line at ANY point is optimistic. It's the same issue I have with everyone handing Buffalo the 2018 Stanley Cup.
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