Speculation: 2015 Coaching Search: Who's the next head coach? Not Babcock - Pt. 2 - MOD post #917

[RoofIt5hole]

https://twitter.com/bradyfan590/status/600792402413092865



Sounds good

 

[Onslow]

Probably isn't much more money. Maybe there were some smaller things Babcock wanted. Then again what does Craig Button know? Very little. He just said if you really want something and you have the resources to do it then you should seal the deal and that Tim Murray will get very little sleep if this isn't resolved tonight.

Yeah it's just speculation from Button, but it does make me wonder about how much Peggy is willing to just throw money around

 

[JackTheRipper]

I wonder how much this hypothetical third offer would be worth

 

[HiddenInLight]

https://twitter.com/bradyfan590/status/600792402413092865



Sounds good

If that is true I really hope Babcock walks from detroit. That is really arrogant.

 

[Zman5778]

https://twitter.com/bradyfan590/status/600792402413092865



Sounds good

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[RoofIt5hole]

Dang

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[RoofIt5hole]

Just embedding it for you:

Ty. It's tough doing it on the El.

This shows a considerable but of arrogance from Illitch. He's certainly not making it any easier for Babs to stay, while Pegula appears to be bending over backwards to bring him to Buffalo.

Hopefully they'll hammer out the details and leak something tonight with a big presser tomorrow.

 

[Royisgone]

To all current and future NHL coaches: You're welcome for the pay raise.

Love,

T Pegula

This sounds cute but have you considered that FMV is determined by what the market will bear?

Just because my 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO brings $38 million at auction doesn't mean your 1985 Pontiac Fiero is worth more than, well, nothing.

If Babcock indeed signs in Buffalo for some sort of $50 million package, it may have little impact on the coaching market as a whole. It will likely be perceived as just what it is: an anomaly.

 

[sabres4ever]

This sounds cute but have you considered that FMV is determined by what the market will bear?

Just because my 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO brings $38 million at auction doesn't mean your 1985 Pontiac Fiero is worth more than, well, nothing.

If Babcock indeed signs in Buffalo for some sort of $50 million package, it may have little impact on the coaching market as a whole. It will likely be perceived as just what it is: an anomaly.

I certainly understand the market, and in no way am suggesting that everyone can now get Babcock bucks.

I'm simply saying, at this point, the ceiling has just been raised, giving future coaches the opportunity to negotiate for more.

Blashill, for example, cannot command those kinds of bucks coming in as HC (assuming Babcock accepts, and Blashill is offered the HC position, etc.)

 

[Husko]

This sounds cute but have you considered that FMV is determined by what the market will bear?

Just because my 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO brings $38 million at auction doesn't mean your 1985 Pontiac Fiero is worth more than, well, nothing.

If Babcock indeed signs in Buffalo for some sort of $50 million package, it may have little impact on the coaching market as a whole. It will likely be perceived as just what it is: an anomaly.

It's hard to imagine that it doesn't up the price range at least a little. The other good coaches, at the very least, will be able to say "I'm almost that good." It's set a precedent, and that's huge.

 

[Paxon]

It's hard to imagine that it doesn't up the price range at least a little. The other good coaches, at the very least, will be able to say "I'm almost that good." It's set a precedent, and that's huge.

True but what are they going to hold out for? One of the teams still has to be willing to meet those demands. Maybe in many situations there will be one team willing to do so, but it won't always be like that. So I do think we'll see a general uptick in prices. We would have anyhow, but it'll increase that to some degree. I just don't think there's a new standard set for the top coach on the market each year. It has to take a very high-end coach and a team willing to pay a lot to coax him.

 

[GBFP]

^Top coaches like Quenneville will get more money thanks to Babcock - especialy if he quickly turns around Buffalo and shows that coaching does make a big difference. They might not get $5M/season, but $3.5M+ would be the new going rate for the top guys.

 

[Mattilaus]

True but what are they going to hold out for? One of the teams still has to be willing to meet those demands. Maybe in many situations there will be one team willing to do so, but it won't always be like that. So I do think we'll see a general uptick in prices. We would have anyhow, but it'll increase that to some degree. I just don't think there's a new standard set for the top coach on the market each year. It has to take a very high-end coach and a team willing to pay a lot to coax him.

Yea but imagine a year where Babcock, Mclellan, and (possibly) Hitch aren't all available. This is also ignoring other good options for young teams like Bylsma. There is an exceptional number of serviceable coaches available this year. What if babcock was the only one available? Or what if someone like Tippett becomes available next year with no competition?

 

[G0AT]

Really hoping you guys land Babs. One of my best buds is a die hard Sabres fan and is really hoping it happens. He helped me through the tough times in Chicago during the early 2000's and during those days I had the Sabres as my second team behind the Hawks.

Really looking forward to Buffalo's resurgence.

 

[Royisgone]

^Top coaches like Quenneville will get more money thanks to Babcock - especialy if he quickly turns around Buffalo and shows that coaching does make a big difference. They might not get $5M/season, but $3.5M+ would be the new going rate for the top guys.

Player and coach salaries are determined, in part, by comparable contracts.

Sure, it is possible that a mega Babcock deal will impact the broader coaching market as a whole, but likely only with absolute top prospects. Even then, the impact will not necessarily be as great.

I can certainly imagine that Quenneville, at contract time, will say "Look at Babcock's deal" as a negotiation ploy. How influential that will be in K negotiations remains uncertain.

And that assumes the Buffalo/Babcock deal goes through!

Let's hope it does!

 

[5 Minute Major]

What a 50 million dollar deal would mean is that the big markets would have to start ponying up, such as Toronto, New York, etc., if they wanted a big name to come.

Only a handful of teams have Pegula's resources and, more importantly, the willingness to spend those resources outside of the product on the ice.

 

[Gargyn]

I am excited about the future of the Sabres. I love the youth and the potential. Is anyone worried about Babcock coaching so much youth? He seems to favor veterans but on the Sabres, the youth will be the best players...Eichel, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Reinhart, Girgensons, Kane. I really worry about Kane actually, but maybe I am wrong...I hope so. I am sick of watching my boring Bruins and want to see teams kick the **** out of them so they do a rebuild the right way too.

 

[Bps21*]

And if teams start paying coaches a lot more they wont be so quick to fire them at the drop of a hat like happens all the time. Especially the small markets. You make a bad hire...you might get stuck.

 

[Paxon]

I am excited about the future of the Sabres. I love the youth and the potential. Is anyone worried about Babcock coaching so much youth? He seems to favor veterans but on the Sabres, the youth will be the best players...Eichel, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Reinhart, Girgensons, Kane. I really worry about Kane actually, but maybe I am wrong...I hope so. I am sick of watching my boring Bruins and want to see teams kick the **** out of them so they do a rebuild the right way too.

I wouldn't say I'm outright worried about it, but it does make me question whether he's the ideal candidate. At the very least it is a big reason why I've never gotten too worked about about whether or not we get him. There are a lot of good coaches out there, some of whom make their bones working with younger players. Regardless, he's one of the best coaches out there, so he should be better than anything we've had in a while. In taking this job he obviously knows he will have to work with youngsters. Given that most of the core players in the organization are young, they can't just be buried in the minors in favor of veterans. Guys like Eichel, Risto, and Reinhart will make up a substantial amount of the team's talent next season. He must know what he's getting into and be confident than he can deal with it appropriately.

 

[Sabretip]

I am excited about the future of the Sabres. I love the youth and the potential. Is anyone worried about Babcock coaching so much youth? He seems to favor veterans but on the Sabres, the youth will be the best players...Eichel, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Reinhart, Girgensons, Kane. I really worry about Kane actually, but maybe I am wrong...I hope so. I am sick of watching my boring Bruins and want to see teams kick the **** out of them so they do a rebuild the right way too.

That was my preconception as well but if you go over to the RedWings forum, you'll see many fans point to how they think Babcock wanted to have more youth brought into the lineup to coach and develop but that it was Holland's goal to stay competitive with veterans. If true, it seems the "micromanaging" hint that Vogl tweeted backs that up. Certainly, Babcock's own pessimism about the aging core in Detroit not being a contender anymore also implied that he wanted an infusion of youth sooner than it came in Detroit - almost as if Babcock thinks the Wings waited too long to bring in replacements for Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

IIRC, the Ducks team Babcock and Murray took to the SCF in 2003 were a bunch of young guys with a few veterans.

I definitely see the question of philosophy and what his approach to coaching so many high-end prospects will be a big topic of the forthcoming PC.

 

[Gargyn]

I wouldn't say I'm outright worried about it, but it does make me question whether he's the ideal candidate. At the very least it is a big reason why I've never gotten too worked about about whether or not we get him. There are a lot of good coaches out there, some of whom make their bones working with younger players. Regardless, he's one of the best coaches out there, so he should be better than anything we've had in a while. In taking this job he obviously knows he will have to work with youngsters. Given that most of the core players in the organization are young, they can't just be buried in the minors in favor of veterans. Guys like Eichel, Risto, and Reinhart will make up a substantial amount of the team's talent next season. He must know what he's getting into and be confident than he can deal with it appropriately.

good response and true enough. good luck to the sabres, i really do hope it works out.

 

[Sabretip]

I wouldn't say I'm outright worried about it, but it does make me question whether he's the ideal candidate. At the very least it is a big reason why I've never gotten too worked about about whether or not we get him. There are a lot of good coaches out there, some of whom make their bones working with younger players. Regardless, he's one of the best coaches out there, so he should be better than anything we've had in a while. In taking this job he obviously knows he will have to work with youngsters. Given that most of the core players in the organization are young, they can't just be buried in the minors in favor of veterans. Guys like Eichel, Risto, and Reinhart will make up a substantial amount of the team's talent next season. He must know what he's getting into and be confident than he can deal with it appropriately.

His selection of assistant coaches will be also very telling - possibly he brings in someone with lots of experience developing kids at AHL level to help with the off-ice mentoring and buffer.

 

[TalkingProuder]

I am excited about the future of the Sabres. I love the youth and the potential. Is anyone worried about Babcock coaching so much youth? He seems to favor veterans but on the Sabres, the youth will be the best players...Eichel, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Reinhart, Girgensons, Kane. I really worry about Kane actually, but maybe I am wrong...I hope so. I am sick of watching my boring Bruins and want to see teams kick the **** out of them so they do a rebuild the right way too.

I hope this doesn't happen. Most likely, the only youth that don't make it shouldn't have been here anyways. This will certainly be a tougher environment than the country club atmosphere that some of these players are used to.

As for Evander Kane, he lays it all on the ice and plays a strong 2-way game. What coach wouldn't want that?

 

[haseoke39]

I hope this doesn't happen. Most likely, the only youth that don't make it shouldn't have been here anyways. This will certainly be a tougher environment than the country club atmosphere that some of these players are used to.

As for Evander Kane, he lays it all on the ice and plays a strong 2-way game. What coach wouldn't want that?

Kane has other weaknesses in his game to be concerned about if you listen to folks who watched him in Winnipeg. Trying to be a one man attack might be the reason he dropped out of their top six. I think you've got to watch for that when he comes here.