1 Finish team in final !
congrats !!
We Swiss have 1 team in 1/8 final ! disaster
Yes i haven t follow the play off schedule! Wow
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Yes i haven t follow the play off schedule! Wow
!Heard a lot of rumblings after last CHL season that Swedish&Finnish dominance is bad for the format - and it is, considering central&western Europe have massive markets with plenty of room for growth. Sadly this year isn't much different with 7/8 QF teams from SWE/FIN. Doesn't bode well for the future of this league.
And it wont be much better anytime soon unless swiss teams step up. Germans are still too far and czechs simply dont have resources to handle it to the semis. Still it was more entertaining and it showed some improvement compare to last year
Good night Czech Republic.
Czech teams obviously didn't care about this second grade tournament. They only focus on the Extraliga...
That's the excuse we should use right
Litvinov dissapointed me. Win 2:1 and then loose 0:6. Pathetic.
Sparta could have beaten them, it was basically one goal serie. Though after such a promising first result they should have beaten them.
Liberec simply gave up too much goals. They scored 6 goals in the series, which is not that bad.
But whatever, this tournament showed me Czech league teams can play with anyone and they can win. There isn't as big gap between SHL/Liiga and Extraliga as majority thinks.
Czech teams obviously didn't care about this second grade tournament. They only focus on the Extraliga...
That's the excuse we should use right
Litvinov dissapointed me. Win 2:1 and then loose 0:6. Pathetic.
Sparta could have beaten them, it was basically one goal serie. Though after such a promising first result they should have beaten them.
Liberec simply gave up too much goals. They scored 6 goals in the series, which is not that bad.
But whatever, this tournament showed me Czech league teams can play with anyone and they can win. There isn't as big gap between SHL/Liiga and Extraliga as majority thinks.
There is a gap otherwise there wont be basically just fin/swe teams in further rounds. Being on the level that you can compete with everybody and steal some point is quite different from being medal contender. Even in the case that Sparta would advance I was just wondering whether they would be able to pass to the semis with such a tiny squad.....
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I think this tournament is pretty much dead if Skellefteå or Frölunda wins it seeing how little they care. 1,758 and 1,378 in attendance today, that's even worse than most preseason SHL-games.
There is no reason they should care more. Results are pretty much locked for those two teams and they didnt see any drama yet....
saskriders
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What if they changed the format to guarantee more diversity in later rounds? Any chance that could work
It's the second format in two years. This is just matter of quality of leagues, nothing more. Paradox is that fans from Sweden and Finnland have to wait till their team start loosing these gamesn then it will become more attractive. Good sign is that its slowly comming. Compare to last year opponents were bit tougher imo
So if this league does not quit next year I am expecting ultimate reversal in two years 
It was never that clear which leagues dominate european continent...
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7/8 teams from FEL and SEL again. This to the rank leagues topics. The one team is from Swiss league.
When it comes to ratings, I have said all the time that this wont work. Only way for international European hockey is the KHL.
Some European wide NHLish league would also work very well, but organizations will not have the guts or interests to leave their own leagues. KHL is the big deal in Europe now and in Future.
When it comes to ratings, I have said all the time that this wont work. Only way for international European hockey is the KHL.
Some European wide NHLish league would also work very well, but organizations will not have the guts or interests to leave their own leagues. KHL is the big deal in Europe now and in Future.
The tournament would probably benefit from having more league/national diversity in the later stages.
Based on the results over the first two seasons it's pretty clear the Swedish and Finnish leagues are a step ahead of all the others, but it's not like they are blowing other teams away either. For the most part they seem to be finding ways to win close contests. Perhaps next year some of the close playoff matchups will go the other leagues' way.
Either way, the jury is still out on this thing.
Given the struggles the overwhelming majority of the non-Russian KHL clubs have faced (not that some Russian based clubs haven't had their issues as well) I'm going to go ahead and say the idea that the KHL offers "the way forward" ranges somewhere from "highly debatable" to "no, just no!".
Based on the results over the first two seasons it's pretty clear the Swedish and Finnish leagues are a step ahead of all the others, but it's not like they are blowing other teams away either. For the most part they seem to be finding ways to win close contests. Perhaps next year some of the close playoff matchups will go the other leagues' way.
Either way, the jury is still out on this thing.
Given the struggles the overwhelming majority of the non-Russian KHL clubs have faced (not that some Russian based clubs haven't had their issues as well) I'm going to go ahead and say the idea that the KHL offers "the way forward" ranges somewhere from "highly debatable" to "no, just no!".
Sure. And how you gonna finance that teams in KHL? There was only one KHL club in CZ and went downfall because of budget. Slovan and Medvescak are on the edge every year. Same will happen to Jokerit soon or later when it's russian owner find another hobby. Maybe except Germany there is simply no market in Europe for more than one team in KHL. End of story.
The biggest issue of CHL is whether other team will be able to get close to fin/swe teams. Presuming that you can not bring up new talent in two years, only chance is extra money which I really doubt they would try to find just only for the reason of CHL success.
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http://kiekkoareena.fi/jutut/lukko-jaa-plussalle-tamankin-vuoden-mestarien-liigasta
Lukko will make a profit from this year's tournament as well. The article also mentions that Luleå's ahre of the 1,5 million euro pot was 135K euros. In addition to that came sales from homegames. Eventhough the attendance at Lukko-Djurgården was "only" 2435, it meant several tens of thousands of revenue. They also made a 5 figure profit from last year's tournament.
Lukko will make a profit from this year's tournament as well. The article also mentions that Luleå's ahre of the 1,5 million euro pot was 135K euros. In addition to that came sales from homegames. Eventhough the attendance at Lukko-Djurgården was "only" 2435, it meant several tens of thousands of revenue. They also made a 5 figure profit from last year's tournament.
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I think Rene Fasel should approach Putin, who's a big hockey fan, and ask him, that one of the Russian state monopoly invests big money in the tournament. I doubt there's another way to make CHL relevant. If a winning team gets a few million euros, it'll be a totally different thing.
Of course right now it's impossible on account of political issues, but later...
Of course right now it's impossible on account of political issues, but later...
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CHL board member and HIFK CEO Timo Everi interview: http://yle.fi/urheilu/chl_yha_vastatuulessa_-_khln_mukaantulo_taysin_mahdotonta/8465221
Says KHL inclusion "impossible". Even from a logistical point it would be impossible to have Eastern most KHL clubs. Finnish and Swedish fans have been more lukewarm than Central Europeans, where the tournament has actually been fairly popular (which is good):
http://www.mtv.fi/sport/jaakiekko/c...ague-jyraa-keski-euroopan-katsomoissa/5566552
Says KHL inclusion "impossible". Even from a logistical point it would be impossible to have Eastern most KHL clubs. Finnish and Swedish fans have been more lukewarm than Central Europeans, where the tournament has actually been fairly popular (which is good):
http://www.mtv.fi/sport/jaakiekko/c...ague-jyraa-keski-euroopan-katsomoissa/5566552
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If some one says KHL inclusion is impossible, it pretty much takes his credibility out of rest of that statement. Of course it is not impossible, the selection just needs to be done based on geographical position also. Helsinki, Moscow, St. Petersburgh, Bratislava, Riga at least not impossible at all.
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That would undermine entire CHl concept. If you add +- 6 KHL teams, cost will raise as hell no matter they are from far east or from Moscow. If you want KHL, then you need to cut number of teams to two from each country and make an elite int, league which will donate clubs. Once again, this was here several years ago and collapsed because of financing. There are simply no resources for such a project.
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Based on what? It doesn't matter if ithe club is from Helsinki or Espoo, you don't need any more donations. Same goes for team being in Praque or Bratislava. Or St. Petersburgh. Of course, you need to cut off few teams to take in few. That's not really a problem.
Well, I am talking from the perspective of czech hockey reality. Czech league does not have any dominant team like Oulu, Frolunda etc. On the contrary it is often won by small provincial teams like Litvinov, Zlin etc. Those are teams operating with budget around 4,5 mil. EUR including all youth categories and amenities. Litvinov played against Frolunda with two Ds in fourth line because of injuries and traveled to Frolunda in the daymatch, because, as their manager openely said, costs are too high for them. You can always say that clubs simply does not count with cups in their budget and they should adapt to it (but then CHL must be profitable for them) but similar issue was mentioned by some finnish member of CHL board, so this is obviously not just a problem of these "poor" clubs.
CHL is simply not in position of soccer champions league or even European league where almost every point you gain cover your costs or even makes it profitablle for the team....It is so far just about sport, glory and competition. If you add 6 KHL teams you push it to the level which is not financially covered neither by teams nor by CHL imo.
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TPS/Lukko and Blues/Kärpät are underway.
Skellefteå/Davos play at 19:00 CET, with Luleå/Frölunda at 20:00.
Skellefteå/Davos play at 19:00 CET, with Luleå/Frölunda at 20:00.
Jussi
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Attendance in first legs:
TPS - Lukko 3006
Blues - Kärpät 2799
Davos - Skellefteå 4002
Luleå - Frölunda 4130
Looks like the Swedes woke up. Lukko set up a special campaign for their home game that according to articles was successful
TPS - Lukko 3006
Blues - Kärpät 2799
Davos - Skellefteå 4002
Luleå - Frölunda 4130
Looks like the Swedes woke up. Lukko set up a special campaign for their home game that according to articles was successful
SurMartin
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Results aren't locked tonight and the attendance is still worse than some preseason SHL-games. People just don't care about it. (But hopefully we're out tonight so you don't have to worry
)Today's results:
Kärpät-Blues 5-1 (5-3 total) Attendance: 3 173
Lukko-TPS 2-1 SO (5-4 total) Attendance: 3 389
Skellefteå-Davos 1-4 (2-5 total) Attendance: 2 134
Frölunda-Luleå 6-4 SO (8-7 total) Attendance: 3 590
QF pairs:
Frölunda-Davos
Kärpät-Lukko
Kärpät-Blues 5-1 (5-3 total) Attendance: 3 173
Lukko-TPS 2-1 SO (5-4 total) Attendance: 3 389
Skellefteå-Davos 1-4 (2-5 total) Attendance: 2 134
Frölunda-Luleå 6-4 SO (8-7 total) Attendance: 3 590
QF pairs:
Frölunda-Davos
Kärpät-Lukko
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