2015-16 Around the League VIII

[Avs_19]

It would be hilarious if we picked him again.

Ha. For his sake I hope that doesn't happen. If he was picked by any other team, he likely has his ELC and any signing bonus/guaranteed money that comes with it. Hopefully he catches on somewhere else.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Bleackley was not a complete bust. He's still a good player that would have helped this team next year, especially if they can't count on Compher joining next season. This notion that he was a complete failure of a player at in his 19 year old season some 18 months after drafting him 23rd in a draft is complete garbage. It's stupid to give up on a player that fast that was that type of pick. They probably decided to dump him independent of the trade, I get that it was better him than burning our first or second round pick this year. Still, that doesn't make their entire viewpoint of the situation extremely questionable. AZ fans say they have a lot of forward prospects so they don't need him. Still, some team can use a free pro ready prospect.

 

[henchman21]

I don't think Bleackley is a terrible player or prospect by any means, I can see where teams would value #53 over Bleackley though, and I think that is really the process there. Valuing that pick over Bleackley, more than Bleackley sucking.

I'm not a big fan of this year's draft, but #53 could easily bring in a Day/Kuznetsov type who have more ultimate upside.

 

[cgf]

late 2nd round isn't looking very good in this draft and bleacks is too years ahead on his development.

so they must not like bleacks very much.

May also have to do with how many forward prospects/rookies they currently have that they're already invested in/who they like more/who's development they have a better feel for. Getting a younger kid who could join the next wave of prospects; those who'll start coming up as the Yotes begin to exit their rebuild and their current top prospects/rookies have grown into the core of their NHL team; could be preferable just for timing and clutter reasons. Obviously this doesn't speak too highly of how they rate Bleackley; but I think that the ability to get a second for him also hurt him relative to their own second tier prospects.

Since getting a second for Bleacks would entail doing nothing but waiting for it to be dolled out; while getting a second for whichever middle 6 prospect he'd be pushing out they'd need to find a team that'll trade them that pick, and make that trade happen...if that kind of value is even out there for a prospect like that. I can imagine a scenario where they actually like Bleackley more than Prospect X as a complimentary top 9er, but the Yotes still choosing to let Bleacks go because Prospect X + not having to spend time working a trade + a 2nd round pick, is more valuable to them than Bleacks + pick received for Prospect X - time spent working the trade of Prospect X out.

 

[Avs_19]

Okay, if this is what they end up doing, just keep Rantanen in the AHL for the rest of the season.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I didn't say Bleackley was a complete bust so thanks for putting those words in my mouth.


I said he was a complete bust for us. And you cant say that's not true. We weren't even going to sign him for Jesus sake. For Roy and Sakic he was absolutely a bust.


Sure he might still go out and get drafted again this year and become a solid Top 9 player in the NHL. But for us, and for Roy/Sakic he was a bust.

 

[henchman21]

Begs the question (and I've seen Dreger's take, I don't totally believe in him), is Nylander is a 1st or 2nd year pro now under these rules? In other words, does his 37 games in the AHL last season (and 21 in SHL) count as a pro season, or is it when the ELC kicks in?

If Nylander is a 1st year pro, Bigras would have to be protected as well.

 

[Avs44]

Okay, if this is what they end up doing, just keep Rantanen in the AHL for the rest of the season.

So we'd have to protect Bigras too?

 

[Avs_19]

So we'd have to protect Bigras too?

I believe so. Zadorov too.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I wonder does that mean we'd even have to protect Rantanen as well?


This is his 2nd year of pro play technically as well. And next year will be his 3rd...


Avs could be put in an awful spot if that's true. We'd lose a very good prospect.



EDIT: AND, if that's the way its worded, Auston Matthews could have to go through the same thing. This is his first year of pro and next year would be his 2nd year. Depending on when they do the draft and what season they consider it to be a part of, Matthews may not be exempt either.

 

[Avs_19]

If Dreger is correct, I assume we'll be safe with Rantanen unless he comes up this year. If they were counting an AHL season as a pro-year then last year would have been Nylander's first-year.

 

[PAZ]

F: Duchene, Grigs, Mack, Soda, Boedker/Comeau
D: Beauch, EJ, Barrie, Zads, Bigras
G: Varly (can only protect 1 I believe)

Works out perfectly for the Avs.

 

[InjuredChoker]

trade zadorov for drouin.

protect

goalie
D: bigras, barrie/trade, EJ
F: rantanen, drouin, mack, duchene, landeskog, radulov and mcelod.

 

[henchman21]

I wonder does that mean we'd even have to protect Rantanen as well?


This is his 2nd year of pro play technically as well. And next year will be his 3rd...


Avs could be put in an awful spot if that's true. We'd lose a very good prospect.

I doubt this means we'd have to protect Rantanen. This is his 1st year under his ELC, but can slide. If Nylander slid last year with his time in the AHL and this is considered a 1st year pro, it would be the same for Rantanen. Meaning next season would be his 1st year pro according to the NHL. If they are counting Nylander's season last year the point is mute because he would be a 3rd year pro, and Rantanen would still be a 2 year.

Too many variables and unknowns at this point to make a real judgement. The NHL is certainly looking to have some good players available and some hard decisions made.

trade zadorov for drouin.

protect

goalie
D: bigras, barrie/trade, EJ
F: rantanen, drouin, mack, duchene, landeskog, radulov and mcelod.

Wouldn't be a terrible plan if it this whole plan came to be, but it might be advantageous to go with the 8/1 setup. Protect Duchene, Landy, MacK, EJ, Barrie, Zadorov, Bigras, ___, and the goalie.

 

[Foppa2118]

Did he get hurt again? Because he came back from injury right after the deadline.

No I just stopped paying attention. Good catch.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I'm not too worry. If we have this problem with regard to protecting some of our rookies I'm sure there will be other very attractive rookies/players available from other teams as well.

 

[PAZ]

The Avs have it easy compared to a lot of teams.

If the AHL does count as a pro league, the expansion team could be brimming with potential. Teams with a lot of depth and a good AHL team would definitely get hit the hardest.

 

[henchman21]

A big part of the protection would probably be making a deal with Vegas so they select somebody like Soda instead of somebody else off the unprotected list.

 

[ArWKo]

F: Duchene, Grigs, Mack, Soda, Boedker/Comeau
D: Beauch, EJ, Barrie, Zads, Bigras
G: Varly (can only protect 1 I believe)

Works out perfectly for the Avs.

You seem to be missing a pretty important forward in that group...

 

[tigervixxxen]

Someone else said earlier that two years of pro experience was still under the cutoff, meaning Bigras would be ok. I think that Nylander does count for last year if he has to be protected.

 

[InjuredChoker]

The Avs have it easy compared to a lot of teams.

If the AHL does count as a pro league, the expansion team could be brimming with potential. Teams with a lot of depth and a good AHL team would definitely get hit the hardest.

as my projection of playoff teams show, expansion team won't be good. which is how it should be. it shouldn't be making the playoffs.

the most important thing for them is to build the farm system. build a big pool of talent. previous expansion teams failed in that.

so i'd focus heavily on taking younger players with potential. and draft picks. lots of them. it will be hard to setup scouting organization from the scratch in short time, so they need an experienced GM with good connections.

and for example, they could take jbouw/gunnarsson from the blues. don't do it. blues may not want to lose them so make them pay compensation pick for not taking either of them. or maybe preferably prospect so they can get the farm system working faster and won't have too many prospects at the same point of development.

 

[henchman21]

One interesting name to watch for the NMC is Horton. Horton has a NMC that runs through the 2017 year, meaning he'd have to be protected if the NHL forces teams to protect NMC players. Horton alone may kill that idea.

 

[henchman21]

From reading some clarifications this morning, it sounds like Nylander's season last year would count for pro experience. For the expansion drafts' sake, this is Nylander's second season and next year would be his third. This would be Rantanen's 1st year regardless of the slide or not, but he would be exempt since next year is his 2nd year. So would Bigras.

 

[InjuredChoker]

https://streamable.com/5kbg

dan girardi. the shift.

 

[ASmileyFace]

https://streamable.com/5kbg

dan girardi. the shift.

Reminds me of a certain General. Though Guenin would have straight up iced it on that last dump out.