WJC: 2015 — Russia Roster Talk

[malkinfan]

that overhyped sharov-mamid duo doesn't impress me at all and then we have leschenko and fischenko's line. damn, these have been looking brutal so far.
hail to bragin, varnakov is ****

I agree. Leshenko whiffed on the PP wide open net, nothing we didn't see multiple times during the SSS. I don't understand, hes a grinder, not a 1st line PP player. In a close game that's the difference between winning and losing the game decided by coaching error. Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. Too much offense was trimmed from this roster for Russia to win this year. I fear they wont even medal with this team.

 

[malkinfan]

Golyshev is worse than invisible out there. Bragin taking him over Tkachev is a crime.

 

[kp61c]

Golyshev is worse than invisible out there. Bragin taking him over Tkachev is a crime.

yeah, golyshev is our little gem but if tkachev is better, the difference is not that much.
i have nothing against grindrers, btw, but sharov, mamin, fischenko, leschenko and the rest of them impaired in the offensive department are too soft

 

[Caser]

Golyshev is worse than invisible out there. Bragin taking him over Tkachev is a crime.

According to Bragin, it was between Goldobin and Tkachev for him

 

[SashaSemin28]

According to Bragin, it was between Goldobin and Tkachev for him

That's absurd.

 

[obskyr]

According to Bragin, it was between Goldobin and Tkachev for him

That could've been a poor choice of words.
But, oh god, what a bullet to dodge.

 

[Paralyzer008]

New lines:

Leschenko-Barbashev-Buchnevich
Tolchinsky-Kamenev-Goldobin
Bryntsev-Mamin-Sharov
Dergachev-Fischenko-Golyshev

 

[Yakushev72]

Golyshev is worse than invisible out there. Bragin taking him over Tkachev is a crime.

Golyshev and Leschenko were easy choices over Tkachyov, because they can do things that he can't do. One thing that both Varnakov and Bragin were of like mind about was that Tkachyov shouldn't play on the NT. In order to balance the sheet, Tkachyov would have to score at least 2 goals a game to make up for the goals against that he would cause. Tkachyov is very methodical, elegant and pretty out there, as long as the game isn't moving too fast or isn't too rough.

Leschenko, on the other hand, is a very valuable asset for the team as a grinder who will fight for the puck, and stick his nose into the slot. He's fast, tough and feisty, and Russia needs a few of those guys along side of their elegant shrimps so that they don't get blown off the ice. He is an outstanding puck handler, and because he makes dynamic plays in the goalie's space, some people criticize him for not being a "finisher." Can you imagine Tkachyov standing in the goal crease fighting for a puck? I can't either.

Golyshev is also small, but he's faster, quicker, stronger and more explosive than Tkachyov, and is more likely to show up when things aren't going well. Tkachyov has simply done nothing to give Bragin a real reason to select him.

 

[Yakushev72]

yeah, golyshev is our little gem but if tkachev is better, the difference is not that much.
i have nothing against grindrers, btw, but sharov, mamin, fischenko, leschenko and the rest of them impaired in the offensive department are too soft

Maybe your eyes see it differently than mine, but I thought that Fischenko and Sharov were among the best Russian players yesterday. Fischenko looked particularly explosive with the puck, and like Leschenko, was very aggressive physically. Denmark was really flying out there, and IMO, Tkachyov would have been left in their wind.

 

[sjci]

So does Russia stick with Sheshtyorkin now?

 

[Atas2000]

So does Russia stick with Sheshtyorkin now?

It's back-to-back games. I doubt he'll be in net tomorow. Gives if Sorokin rebounds odds are even again.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Russia would be smart to play there better goalie tomorrow.

Sheshtyorkin should be in net again.

 

[Atas2000]

Russia would be smart to play there better goalie tomorrow.

Sheshtyorkin should be in net again.

Just because he's a Rangers' prospect he's better?

Yes, Sorokin was a bit shaky in his first game, but so was the whole team. He's still on par with Shestyorkin talent-wise. I see no reason to ride Shestyorkin tired against Sweden.

 

[MOGiLNY]

Just because he's a Rangers' prospect he's better?

Yes, Sorokin was a bit shaky in his first game, but so was the whole team. He's still on par with Shestyorkin talent-wise. I see no reason to ride Shestyorkin tired against Sweden.

But is Shestyorkin tired or is he on a hot streak?

 

[cska78]

Golyshev is worse than invisible out there. Bragin taking him over Tkachev is a crime.

I agree, i would take tkachyov over golyshev too, but only for an allstar game or skills competition tournament. A real tournament, tkachyov is a liability.

 

[cska78]

yeah, golyshev is our little gem but if tkachev is better, the difference is not that much.
i have nothing against grindrers, btw, but sharov, mamin, fischenko, leschenko and the rest of them impaired in the offensive department are too soft

Fishenko and leshenko arent soft, sharov and mamin are far from offensively impaired. Where do you get ur hockey know how?

 

[Atas2000]

But is Shestyorkin tired or is he on a hot streak?

Tired as is he 's coming of a game. Why should he start back-to-back? Even if he is to take the starting job over later.

 

[Fantomas]

Bragin had a chance to rest Shestyorkin in the 3rd period yesterday. He didn't.

 

[Dynamo81]

I agree, i would take tkachyov over golyshev too, but only for an allstar game or skills competition tournament. A real tournament, tkachyov is a liability.

This x100.

 

[malkinfan]

Golyshev is also small, but he's faster, quicker, stronger and more explosive than Tkachyov, and is more likely to show up when things aren't going well. Tkachyov has simply done nothing to give Bragin a real reason to select him.

This is the worst garbage I have ever read on this board from a Russian poster

 

[Dynamo81]

Team looked pretty good against the Swedes, very unlucky not to win. The loss could be a blessing in disguise as the Finns are always tricky/frustrating for Russians at any level.

Not writing off the Slovaks as they have shown to be difficult to break down in the Finland and USA games but I am sure Russian fans would prefer to face them in the QF before a US/CAN semi final.

 

[malkinfan]

I agree, i would take tkachyov over golyshev too, but only for an allstar game or skills competition tournament. A real tournament, tkachyov is a liability.

Golyshev is a 0 factor where as Tkachev can make offense from nothing. As this tournament progresses we will see that Russia's offense is lacking. Every time I see Nylander wind up with the puck I think that Russia could have also had a player bring that level of offensive prowess.

When Russia loses because they couldn't score enough, remember it didn't have to be that way, especially when the strength of the goaltending and defense more than make up for any "liability" that he may be. Bragin playing things way too safe this year IMO and not just the Tkachev decision, there are others who should be on this team.

 

[Dynamo81]

Every time I see Nylander wind up with the puck I think that Russia could have also had a player bring that level of offensive prowess.

Sorry, disagree, Nylander is a much better player than Tkachyov. He would not bring to the table what Nylander does.

When Russia loses because they couldn't score enough, remember it didn't have to be that way, especially when the strength of the goaltending and defense more than make up for any "liability" that he may be. Bragin playing things way too safe this year IMO and not just the Tkachev decision, there are others who should be on this team.

Finishing was a problem against the Swedes, however the ones missing the chances were the key offensive players (Barbashev in particular). Some were crapping on that Leshenko can not finish (Before the tournament), yet he was the only one burying his chances against the Swedes.

I guess we will see what happens, coaches live and die by results. However I was impressed by this team, as I said during the match, I don't remember the last time Russia played that well at the WJC in North America. Especially after I streamed the pre-tournament game against Canada (Which looked like the 2012 WJC final against Sweden).

 

[Zine]

Golyshev is a 0 factor where as Tkachev can make offense from nothing. As this tournament progresses we will see that Russia's offense is lacking. Every time I see Nylander wind up with the puck I think that Russia could have also had a player bring that level of offensive prowess.

When Russia loses because they couldn't score enough, remember it didn't have to be that way, especially when the strength of the goaltending and defense more than make up for any "liability" that he may be. Bragin playing things way too safe this year IMO and not just the Tkachev decision, there are others who should be on this team.

You can't be serious. Tkachyov is nowhere near Nylander offensively. Hell, Tkachyov isn't even on Buchnevich's level.

Tkachyov is a skilled guy, but his inclusion wouldn't make or break this team offensively.

 

[Fantomas]

I don't think malkinfan is claiming that Tkachev is as good as Nylander. He is saying that Tkachev has gamebreaking talent, and can create plays in ways few other players can.

I had similar thoughts as well. Although I was not upset about Tkachev's exclusion, he would have been an interesting wildcard to have.