WJC: 2015 — Canada Roster Talk

[newfy]

Gonna throw out a dark horse guy who could actually make it - Tyler Bertuzzi.

Physical, fourth liner who was a second round pick. 35 points in 29 games this year and can PK. Seems like he could be the prototypical physical fourth liner Canada brings but also has some use. Some guys will have to be in the NHL for it too happen, but this age group is strong so a lot will be in the NHL

 

[Michael Farkas]

Dumba. Not because of how bad he played, I expected that. It's how long it was allowed to continue while another defenseman was sitting on the bench watching. I couldn't believe the minutes he was allowed to continue to play in big games despite how bad he played. I can't remember a worse performance for a big player on a "big" team in this tournament...simply abysmal.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

In the Q hes shown up and dominated every team hes played.

He has dominated teams on some nights, and on other nights against the same team you can forget that he was even on the ice.

So I'm not sure what youre basing this off of.

I watch a lot of Q hockey, particularly the Mooseheads (location: Halifax). Against them, for example, Mantha has 0 goals and is -5 in two games. Charlottetown kept him off the scoresheet and made him -2 in their only meeting. Val D'Or also played Baie Comeau in back to backs which saw Mantha with 3 points in a 5-4 OT win followed by 1 point and only 1 shot in a 4-2 loss the next day.

But let's put it another way. He has 61 points and is +31 in 23 wins this year, but 12 points (only 1 goal) and -14 in their 9 losses.

 

[Big Phil]

Surprises - Zac Fucale. He played well, it wasn't his fault and for the first time in about 5 years we had solid goaltending.

Disapointments - Almost everyone else. Lack of discipline. Sutter and Hockey Canada were big disapointments. I expected a bit more from McDavid to be honest with you. Not one player had a good game against Finland. Not one. That being said, beating up on Germany and padding your numbers against weaker teams is irrelevant when you are asleep the ENTIRE semi final game. No leaders. No clutch performers. No one bailed their goalie out. All were big disappointments.

 

[Analyzer*]

Surprises for me where Dumba and Pouliot. Knew they weren't the best defensively, but my god. Dumba makes MAB look like Lidstrom.

Fucale - Figured he'd get lite up every game. He gives me a little hope for next year. He'll be better and we won't have Dumba, or Pouliot on the team. Though, Pouliot did well offensively.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He has dominated teams on some nights, and on other nights against the same team you can forget that he was even on the ice.



I watch a lot of Q hockey, particularly the Mooseheads (location: Halifax). Against them, for example, Mantha has 0 goals and is -5 in two games. Charlottetown kept him off the scoresheet and made him -2 in their only meeting. Val D'Or also played Baie Comeau in back to backs which saw Mantha with 3 points in a 5-4 OT win followed by 1 point and only 1 shot in a 4-2 loss the next day.

But let's put it another way. He has 61 points and is +31 in 23 wins this year, but 12 points (only 1 goal) and -14 in their 9 losses.

What does you Win/Loss point have to do with anything? You just proved that Mantha literally carries his team, and they can't do anything when he's not playing his best games.

Mantha will always have the title of "floater" because people don't notice him until they look at the score sheet and notice that he has 2 goals. He plays a very, very similar game to Heatley, except hes faster.

He's not going to get 3 points every game, if he did he would be in the NHL. But in the end, he really has no scoring discrepancy between the top teams and weaker teams in the Q other than a small dip, which would be the same for any player as clearly you have less scoring chances against a team like Halifax compared to SJ.

 

[newfy]

I watch a lot of Q hockey, particularly the Mooseheads (location: Halifax). Against them, for example, Mantha has 0 goals and is -5 in two games. Charlottetown kept him off the scoresheet and made him -2 in their only meeting. Val D'Or also played Baie Comeau in back to backs which saw Mantha with 3 points in a 5-4 OT win followed by 1 point and only 1 shot in a 4-2 loss the next day.

But let's put it another way. He has 61 points and is +31 in 23 wins this year, but 12 points (only 1 goal) and -14 in their 9 losses.

So for the first part youre saying he had 4 points in back to back games against one of the best teams in the league? Wow a guy only got one point on the second night of back to backs when hes been carrying a team all year.

But when you put it another way, I look at it as hes dominating regardless. In their 9 losses hes still above a point per game. But mostly I see a team that is completely reliant on one player. Val D'or goes as Mantha does. Hes not going to dominate every single game but you knocking him for producing over a ppg in 9 losses is kind of silly.

It just shows how important he is to one of the best teams in the Q. If he wasnt completely tearing up the league that team wouldnt be that good. As a one threat team, do you not think every single team is doing their best to shut him down and its not working?

As for Canada, hes pretty much the only one who showed up this tournament. Once he had two games that he didnt score the team lost. That doesnt mean he disappeared it means Canada had no secondary scoring.

Where was Petan, Horvat, Reinhart, McDavid, Rychel or any of the D to take pressure off Mantha and Drouin? The only other guy who showed up was Lazar

Mantha led Canada to that come back win against Slovakia, you dont think that game was tough? You obviously didnt watch and Mantha was the reason for that win. He was great against the States as well. Were they cupcakes? Mantha wasnt the problem in this tournament, if the secondary scorers would have done anything the team would be in much better shape, without Mantha they would have been no where

 

[Vinceee]

He has dominated teams on some nights, and on other nights against the same team you can forget that he was even on the ice.



I watch a lot of Q hockey, particularly the Mooseheads (location: Halifax). Against them, for example, Mantha has 0 goals and is -5 in two games. Charlottetown kept him off the scoresheet and made him -2 in their only meeting. Val D'Or also played Baie Comeau in back to backs which saw Mantha with 3 points in a 5-4 OT win followed by 1 point and only 1 shot in a 4-2 loss the next day.

But let's put it another way. He has 61 points and is +31 in 23 wins this year, but 12 points (only 1 goal) and -14 in their 9 losses.

Sutter didn't help Mantha by continuously breaking his line (hudon-drouin-mantha). They had good chemistry and were the best line on the team. But Sutter kept replacing them with guys like Leier.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

What does you Win/Loss point have to do with anything?

Why did you skip over everything before that, including where he showed up against B.C. one night, and completely disappeared against them the very next day. No goals and limited scoring chances/shots against teams like Halifax/Charlottetown. You were arguing that this kind of thing doesn't happen with Mantha, right?

And people call him a floater because too often he'll finish multiple point nights in the minus, or break even if he's lucky.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Sutter didn't help Mantha by continuously breaking his line (hudon-drouin-mantha). They had good chemistry and were the best line on the team. But Sutter kept replacing with guys like Leier.

True. But at one point Hudon wasn't 100%, and obviously they needed to find someone able to handle those minutes. Shouldn't have been as hard as it was, given who was brought along.

 

[Boreal01]

Positive Suprises

Mantha - Offensive juggernaut, really brought a lot of scoring to the team, just not exactly when they needed it.
Lazar - Great player both offensively and defensively, the best forward for Canada IMO.
Pouliot - Excellent on the power play and was able to easily transition from offence to defence.
Fucale - Played well and gave us a chance to win. Looked great against the US in particular.

Disappointments

Dumba - He looked like utter garbage, made so many bad plays and didn't look ready.
Horvat - Never noticed him making an impact on the ice, he just wasn't prepared.
Gauthier - As a Leafs fan this was unfortunate but he was just a total waste of a roster spot, brought absolutely nothing to the team.
Rychel - If not for boxscores I would have never had known he played.

 

[Get North]

Surprises: Fucale, Pouliot, Ekblad. I never expected Fucale to start for us as a 18 year old and basically the reason we won most games. Ekblad is a 17 year old and arguably our best defensemen, Pouliot aswell. Didn't know alot about Pouliot but his skating was great and his skill.

Disappointments: Dumba, returning player and his defense was really ugly. He gave the puck away many times I expected alot more.

 

[Erika]

Positives:

• Mantha
• Lazar

That's about it !!

Dissapointments:

• Horvat
• G.Reinhart
• Drouin
• Morrissey

Useless (have no business being on the team):

• Dumba
• Laughton
• Gauthier
• Rychel
• Leier
• Anderson
• McDavid
• Bigras
• B.Sutter

The ''useless'' list is the reason why Team Canada was pretty bad this year !!

 

[Alberta tough]

Surprises: Fucale, Pouliot, Ekblad. I never expected Fucale to start for us as a 18 year old and basically the reason we won most games. Ekblad is a 17 year old and arguably our best defensemen, Pouliot aswell. Didn't know alot about Pouliot but his skating was great and his skill.

Disappointments: Dumba, returning player and his defense was really ugly. He gave the puck away many times I expected alot more.

Dumba was not a returning player.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Why did you skip over everything before that, including where he showed up against B.C. one night, and completely disappeared against them the very next day. No goals and limited scoring chances/shots against teams like Halifax/Charlottetown. You were arguing that this kind of thing doesn't happen with Mantha, right?

And people call him a floater because too often he'll finish multiple point nights in the minus, or break even if he's lucky.

As someone already pointed out to you, Mantha had 4 points in 2 games and you're using that to show how he doesnt show up? Also, PEI is not a good team, so not sure why you're bringing that up. As I said, EVERY player has a harder time putting up big points against better teams, thats just common sense. The thing is there really is no drop in Mantha's game when the going gets tough (see 2013 playoffs, led his team)

If he put up 3 points every single game, he would be in the NHL right now. And to your point about how hes "too often" a minus...hes +17 for the year (2nd on his team), on a very, very weak team defensively.

 

[1Gold Standard]

It will be interesting next year to see which of returning players (those who were less than spectacular) get awarded the legacy pick and an automatic spot on the team.

There are quite a few of them who, if I were calling the shots next year, would get a polite thanks for coming out, but your services are no longer required, we'll be going in another direction this year.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

As someone already pointed out to you, Mantha had 4 points in 2 games and you're using that to show how he doesnt show up?

And as I already pointed out to you, there ARE examples of him showing up one night, and pretty much disappearing the next, whatever the excuse(s) might be.

As for the "see: 2013 playoffs" part I edited out, well... 1 point and -2 in 3 games vs B.B., and elimination.

 

[dmacgreg37]

It will be interesting next year to see which of returning players (those who were less than spectacular) get awarded the legacy pick and an automatic spot on the team.

There are quite a few of them who, if I were calling the shots next year, would get a polite thanks for coming out, but your services are no longer required, we'll be going in another direction this year.

I honestly can't see any of them being skipped. It's never happened, to the best of my knowledge, for a skater to be able to return (not injured or NHL) and not be picked. Only happened in net in '01 Finley got skipped after being back-up in 99 and 00. He had noticeably slipped in his play in '00 and still got picked. He was still struggling in '01 and got skipped over.

 

[Boreal01]

Positives:

• Mantha
• Lazar

That's about it !!

Dissapointments:

• Horvat
  [*]G.Reinhart
• Drouin
• Morrissey

Useless (have no business being on the team):

• Dumba
• Laughton
• Gauthier
• Rychel
• Leier
• Anderson
• McDavid
• Bigras
• B.Sutter

The ''useless'' list is the reason why Team Canada was pretty bad this year !!

Really? He only played half the tournament but he looked pretty good out there.

 

[Nash]

My biggest disappointment was Sutter. I wasn't find of his mix of player selection.

McDavid-Horvat-Reinhart was one of the best lines early on. Connor takes a couple penalties in an early game and he gets sat and then demoted. The result: his confidence was shot and he never really got going again. Meanwhile Dumba made costly errors every game, took dumb penalties, and played high minutes when he sounded like he was sick as hell. Was Sutter as biased with his junior D as Spott was last year with Murphy?

The ripple down effect of removing McDavid from his original line is that Laughton offered little in the way of skill to that group. That line became ineffective.

I hope the reason Hudon and Leier split time was because Hudon was struggling through his injury, because otherwise Leier had no reason to be in the lineup.

That fourth line was horrible. Gauthier in particular had no business being on this team. Anderson was misused in this role too. I'd have much rather had him using his size and speed to make space for linemates on a scoring line.

Please hockey Canada, no more using the bottom six for a checking line and an energy line. Send scorers and two way players.

 

[cpsman]

My biggest disappointment was Sutter. I wasn't find of his mix of player selection.

McDavid-Horvat-Reinhart was one of the best lines early on. Connor takes a couple penalties in an early game and he gets sat and then demoted. The result: his confidence was shot and he never really got going again. Meanwhile Dumba made costly errors every game, took dumb penalties, and played high minutes when he sounded like he was sick as hell. Was Sutter as biased with his junior D as Spott was last year with Murphy?

The ripple down effect of removing McDavid from his original line is that Laughton offered little in the way of skill to that group. That line became ineffective.

I hope the reason Hudon and Leier split time was because Hudon was struggling through his injury, because otherwise Leier had no reason to be in the lineup.

That fourth line was horrible. Gauthier in particular had no business being on this team. Anderson was misused in this role too. I'd have much rather had him using his size and speed to make space for linemates on a scoring line.

Please hockey Canada, no more using the bottom six for a checking line and an energy line. Send scorers and two way players.

and please send coaches who actually understand this. please, never send brent sutter to anything that has to do with hockey canada again.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

For positives, I'll go with Mantha, Lazar, Fucale and Ekblad. I think you will see the latter two return next year and be better for it, while Lazar also has of coming back if he isn't in the NHL. Mantha has things to work on, but he is a fascinating project that could end up being a helluva player in the NHL.

Biggest disappointments would be Horvat, Drouin and Rychel. I could include the entire bottom six in this case, but there are players I simply don't think belonged here in the first place, either due to level of talent or their style not suiting the big ice. Rychel did nothing, and although I think he could have been effective playing the front of the net on the PP, he did not "earn" those minutes. Drouin was a puckhog in the later medal games, Nate MacK would have told me to wisen the **** up. Horvat was the most disappointing: no offense at all, and even worse he looked lazy and unwilling to fight for several pucks, losing many battles. I have seen Horvat play before, which is why he was the biggest disappointment by far.

 

[JimboA]

For positives, I'll go with Mantha, Lazar, Fucale and Ekblad. I think you will see the latter two return next year and be better for it, while Lazar also has of coming back if he isn't in the NHL. Mantha has things to work on, but he is a fascinating project that could end up being a helluva player in the NHL.

Biggest disappointments would be Horvat, Drouin and Rychel. I could include the entire bottom six in this case, but there are players I simply don't think belonged here in the first place, either due to level of talent or their style not suiting the big ice. Rychel did nothing, and although I think he could have been effective playing the front of the net on the PP, he did not "earn" those minutes. Drouin was a puckhog in the later medal games, Nate MacK would have told me to wisen the **** up. Horvat was the most disappointing: no offense at all, and even worse he looked lazy and unwilling to fight for several pucks, losing many battles. I have seen Horvat play before, which is why he was the biggest disappointment by far.

Just saw him at McDonalds with Lazar, Ekblad and S. Reinhart

 

[Zaddy]

Why is everyone talking about positives and negatives? Isn't this thread supposed to be about next years team?

 

[Joey Moss]

Anyone saying McDavid shouldn't be invited next year.. give your ****ing heads a shake. Unbelievable. The kid is 16 years old, you don't see 16 year olds dominate this tournament. Completely clueless people in this thread.