WJC: 2015 — Canada Roster Talk

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Is it really too much to ask to bring in at least the top 5-6 players from each league? Just last year, Mantha was good enough to be CHL MVP, barely made the team as the bubble guy. Duclair now in the NHL was having an MVP caliber year, again among the top players in the league. Same for Poirier. Gauthier-Leduc was having a monster year as a 19 year old. Not even invited to camp. Not saying they should all make the team. I understand that each league has players that should be there but can't make it in the end. But it frikin sucks that the Q is always in that situation.

Yesterday we were talking about Fucale. I asked people how come guys like Virtanen, Fleury and so on don't have to put numbers on the board in order to make your rosters. If we talk about role players performing, don't tell me Laplante isn't having a better year than Crouse in a checking role. Dauphin is having a very good year offensively on top of being a good 2-way player. Not to mention his team sucks offensiely. Yet there's a bunch of lower scoring role players invited to camp before him.

I know you'll always find a rationale behind not taking those players. But IMO there's no reason the top 5 or 6 players shouldn't at least be invited to camp.

Virtanen specifically brings a specialized skill set (speed/power/shot). I'm a Canucks fan, and have never considered him a lock.

I don't think Crouse deserves to be there either, especially over two underagers in his league setting the place a blaze with production (Strome and Marner).

I don't think they need to invite the best players from each league, if each league isn't producing the same number of quality players.

I would be annoyed too, if I was Q-centric, I just don't believe HC is saying no to Quebec leaguers just because they're playing out there.
 
It'd be sweet if all the goaltending stuff stayed in the thread created for the goalie debate.

It's basically a Jets vs Habs vs Pens fan discussion.

I honestly wish they just brought 3 and let them battle. I think gifting the spot to two guys is the wrong way to go.
 
Stop *****ing about how your team's player didn't make it, it's either that or fans mad at not enough QMJHL players. I don't care who's on the team just win, a game hasn't even been played

As for the roster, I think it's pretty solid. I like Dickinson or Chartier on the 4th line if Horvat/Lazar come back or maybe Petan at the 3C spot. I think the 4th line looks good with Point, Dickinson/Chartier and Paul or Baptiste depending on if anyone comes back.
 
Because in a short timeframe they need to build a team, gel and build a system. It does not work well when one guy is always asking "why" instead of following instructions.

So if a guy doesn't blindly follow instructions, he's not a team player? :shakehead It's like you want to make this kids brainless robots.
 
Virtanen specifically brings a specialized skill set (speed/power/shot). I'm a Canucks fan, and have never considered him a lock.

I don't think Crouse deserves to be there either, especially over two underagers in his league setting the place a blaze with production (Strome and Marner).

I don't think they need to invite the best players from each league, if each league isn't producing the same number of quality players.

I would be annoyed too, if I was Q-centric, I just don't believe HC is saying no to Quebec leaguers just because they're playing out there.

I can't speak for Mathletic but over the years I'd say it's more due to poor scouting of the Q and player roles. Just last year guys like Duclair and Poirier were exactly what Canada identified as what they were missing (speed and goalscoring).
 
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it's a given that people say that. Their league isn't taking the hit every year. Easy to say when you always have 10+ players in camp and on the team.

It's cyclical, the QMJHL will have years where it has a lot of players on the team compared to the WHL. It's Team Canada, as long as the players are Canadian it shouldn't matter where they are from or what league they play in.

You are complaining about Hockey Canada's politics for not choosing Ho-Sang but want them to be political about the leagues they choose the players from?
 
Depends on the size of the camp. To me it shouldn't matter what league the player is playing in. And we shouldn't be limiting to the CHL too, there are good players in the NCAA some year (Toews, Turris) who deserve to play in the World Jrs. Hockey Canada should just take the best players no matter what league.

Generally they dont discriminate by league. I can't give firm stats, but I do believe that the QMJHL contributes significantly less players to the NHL than the WHL or OHL. I know its a different game, but the main point is I think most accept it doesnt produce the same quality of pro.

Thats not to say the Q doesnt have elite players -- Mackinnon, Drouin to name some recent examples.

The big concern for me is that Hockey Canada discriminates by age. People will point at the fact that we have had 2 players wearing cages (U-18) each of the last 2 years (Mack/Drouin and McDavid/Ekblad), but I reply by saying Mackinnon and McDavid werent utilized properly.

Look at 2009 when we won. We had Ryan Ellis, who was 17, and far from a complete blue-liner, and Evander Kane. But our 3 top guns: Tavares, Hodgson and Eberle were all 18 year olds.

I really can't tell you how good Dylan Strome is.... but I do know this. He puts up a lot of points, and based on the skill level and talent of his brother, I am going to assume he isnt that much worse. Surely the kid should get his shot at camp.

Travis Konecny is another guy. Yeah he hasnt had a great start, but this is a guy who had led our team in goals at last years U-18 as an underager, and was the captain and top goal scrorer on the Hlinka team this year. Again, high skill level. Matt Barzal could also fit this bill, but Im using Konecny as an example because I have seen him play.
 
I can't speak for Mathelic but over the years I'd say it's more due to poor scouting of the Q and player roles. Just last year guys like Duclair and Poirier were exactly what Canada identified as what they were missing (speed and goalscoring).

I'm not sure how much of the scouting staff has been changed but this is the first World Juniors without Brad Pascall and Bob Nicholson leading the way. We now have Ryan Jankowski and Tom Renney as the head guys. It's a new regime, we're going to see some changes.
 
I don't know if Chartier's as good as some of these potential top 13 forwards, but in a short tournament, I think you have to roll the dice on arguably the hottest prospect in all of junior hockey right now. This kid has been a scoring machine. I want to see how he does without Merk on his wing too. Really excited about Rourke's addition.
 
I'm not sure how much of the scouting staff has been changed but this is the first World Juniors without Brad Pascall and Bob Nicholson leading the way. We now have Ryan Jankowski and Tom Renney as the head guys. It's a new regime, we're going to see some changes.

Have you seen changes?

I haven't.
 
I can't speak for Mathletic but over the years I'd say it's more due to poor scouting of the Q and player roles. Just last year guys like Duclair and Poirier were exactly what Canada identified as what they were missing (speed and goalscoring).

Yeah, I hated last years bottom of the forward group, Anderson, Rychel and Gauthier should have all been at home watching Duclair, Poirier and Domi play.
 
Generally they dont discriminate by league. I can't give firm stats, but I do believe that the QMJHL contributes significantly less players to the NHL than the WHL or OHL. I know its a different game, but the main point is I think most accept it doesnt produce the same quality of pro.

Thats not to say the Q doesnt have elite players -- Mackinnon, Drouin to name some recent examples.

The big concern for me is that Hockey Canada discriminates by age. People will point at the fact that we have had 2 players wearing cages (U-18) each of the last 2 years (Mack/Drouin and McDavid/Ekblad), but I reply by saying Mackinnon and McDavid werent utilized properly.

Look at 2009 when we won. We had Ryan Ellis, who was 17, and far from a complete blue-liner, and Evander Kane. But our 3 top guns: Tavares, Hodgson and Eberle were all 18 year olds.

I really can't tell you how good Dylan Strome is.... but I do know this. He puts up a lot of points, and based on the skill level and talent of his brother, I am going to assume he isnt that much worse. Surely the kid should get his shot at camp.

Travis Konecny is another guy. Yeah he hasnt had a great start, but this is a guy who had led our team in goals at last years U-18 as an underager, and was the captain and top goal scrorer on the Hlinka team this year. Again, high skill level. Matt Barzal could also fit this bill, but Im using Konecny as an example because I have seen him play.

Barzal is injured and not performing, same as Konecny.
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Talk about a snub, Mitch Marner had 18 goals and 34 points in 12 games in November.
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Dylan Strome is good, but not because his brother is, or else Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux siblings would be NHL stars. :p:

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Evander Kane didn't even make that 2009 team until Dana Tyrell blew his knee out in a pre-tourney game.
 
When the team is picked we'll really see how much things have changed. Nothing on this list has shown me anything to say one way or the other.

If they are truely wanting to roll 4 "Scoring lines" they leave Gauthier off the team.

I think he could be useful as a 13th forward, never taking a regular shift but taking draws in his own zone, playing the pk and last minutes of games. As long as he is not taking a regular shift I will be happy, and as it looks right now there is too much skill ahead of him for him to do anything otherwise
 
When the team is picked we'll really see how much things have changed. Nothing on this list has shown me anything to say one way or the other.

If they are truely wanting to roll 4 "Scoring lines" they leave Gauthier off the team.

I expect Gauthier to have similar ice time than the 13th forward but will be taking the important faceoffs and lead the forwards in sh toi.
 
Just play a good hockey, and bring the gold. :nod:
There is too much talent to choose from, I wouldn't blame anyone for leaving some guys off.
 
Generally they dont discriminate by league. I can't give firm stats, but I do believe that the QMJHL contributes significantly less players to the NHL than the WHL or OHL. I know its a different game, but the main point is I think most accept it doesnt produce the same quality of pro.

And yet often don't invite them even when they have quality.

Duclair, Poirier, Mantha at 18 (and a bubble player at 19?!), Jerome Gauthier-Leduc, Vlasic are some examples...

Dauphin is a damn good player. Where is he?
 
Assuming Drouin , Horvat , Duclair , and Lazar are loaned . I think they all should be
Drouin has not been playing much and has even been a healthy scratch.
Horvat has been playing on the 4th line.
Duclair is often scratched.
Lazar is also playing on the 4th line.

Drouin-Mcdavid-Virtanen
Domi-Reinhart-Duclair
Dal-Colle-Horvat-Lazar
Petan-Fabbri-Klimchuk
*Nick Ritchie (13th fwd)

Nurse-Morin
Morrisey-Bowey
Sanheim-Fleury
*Theodore (7th defencemen)

Comrie
Fucale

C= Reinhart
A= Lazar
A= Nurse
 
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Bob McKenzie was talking about the centres on TSN and he sees it as McDavid, Reinhart and Petan as the first 3. I agree with that, I think if Horvat comes back then Petan to wing and Horvat as the 3C, if Lazar comes back aswell then he goes to RW as Petan/Horvat are the 3C. The LWs are probably in order of Domi, Fabbri, Dal Colle, Ritchie, one of the 4 LWs will have to move to the top 6 RW spot, Virtanen and Baptiste are the only RWs listed. Point might be able to move over if he makes the team but first he has to make the team. The line combos should be pretty familiar because Fabbri was solid with McDavid, Ritchie was good on the RW but I think Virtanen can replace that easier. Virtanen has speed like McDavid and a very good shot, playing with McDavid should give him alot of opportunities to showcase that. 2nd line should have Domi on it, he is so good this season, speed, skill, intensity is what Domi brings every night and even though he is small his dad is Tie so physicality will never be a problem. Reinhart pretty easily the 2C and I think a guy like Dal Colle will fit well. Dal Colle has a big shot, good skills and size on that line that kind of has all the tools that line might lack (size, shot, ability to get open for shots). 3rd line might be lacking a bit of skill, Ritchie is a big kid and he's definitely going to scare teams which was shown at the SSS where a Russian player didn't want to receive a hit from Ritchie so just left it and Ritchie took it and scored. The C will be Petan, he has high offensive skill, I mean some people have this guy on the 4th line or barely playing but he was one of the best forwards last year at the WJHC for Canada. Such a sick offensive player, slicks hands, great passing ability and on the RW is kind of open, Baptiste, Point, Paul can all kind of that spot if no NHL player is loaned. The 4th line should have Chartier as the 4C if scoring is their first priority, he's not a bad defensive player, all-around he is solid but the hockey IQ is the outstanding part. He gets open, he finds player, he knows how to make plays with the puck, on his LW, I think should be Paul. Paul is a big kid with a nice shot, 18 goals in 24 games in the OHL and he has size. That line might lack some speed, so Point or Baptiste should be on that line for energy, intense players that give 110% every shift. Gauthier as the 13th forward, play him out there on the PK, faceoffs shouldn't be a problem because Reinhart is here. Gauthier is a pretty quick skater for his size and that speed + size could do some damage if an injury hits.

The defence shouldn't lack offence, Nurse and Bowey have big, heavy shots. Morrissey and Theodore bring that dynamic offensive ability from the back-end, both can QB the PP, good passers and have shots that get to the net. Offence shouldn't be a problem but we want balance so we have Heatherington, Fleury, Bigras and Morin to choose from for defence. Sanheim is a close one but I think Heatherington is just everything but better and he's older. Morin is a big guy, physical, good skater, I like him as the all-around solid guy with big size. No opposition is really going to make Morin look bad so I like him as a #6 or #7. Bigras and Fleury are left, Fleury was solid in the summer development camp, I like his size and speed plus his ability to bring offence but I think Bigras is more developed and more calm defensively. Last year at the WJHC he wasn't very good but he's looked good this season and if he sucks put him as the #7 and don't play him much but I doubt that happens. Nurse, Bowey, Morrissey, Theodore are my locks with Heatherington, Morin as the next 2 to take spots. Bigras and Fleury fighting for the last spot, both solid and I don't have a problem if they go with one over the other.

Fucale and Comrie will fight for it but I really liked Comrie at the SSS. Fucale was good last season, I don't think anybody should be criticizing him, he was the last reason we lost last year, we were just running around too much defensively.

Fabbri-McDavid-Virtanen
Domi-Reinhart-Dal Colle
Ritchie-Petan-Baptiste
Paul-Chartier-Point
Gauthier

Nurse-Bowey
Morin-Morrissey
Heatherington-Theodore
Bigras

Fucale/Comrie

Unit 1 PP: Petan-McDavid-Virtanen-Morrissey-Bowey
Unit 2 PP: Ritchie-Reinhart-Domi-Theodore-Nurse

Unit 1 PK: Gauthier-Baptiste-Heatherington-Morin
Unit 2 PK: Reinhart-Domi-Bigras-Bowey

I'd be interested to hear how other see it and why, pretty long post but my favourite tournament of the season.
 
You should be asking why comrie over jarry not Fucale.

We've been through all this yesterday & specific thread for it. Based on last year & this year combined, Comrie has the best save %, followed by Jarry (not much difference there). Fucale is trailing by a long way and is really the one that doesn't belong.
 
Ray Ferraro,

what else did McKenzie discuss?

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my team without NHL players back

Fabbri - McDavid - Domi
Dal Colle - Reinhart - Point
Dickinson - Petan - Virtanen
Chartier - Gauthier - Paul
Ritchie

Nurse - Bigras
Morrissey - Bowey
Morin - Hicketts
Sanheim

Comrie/Fucale
 
I can't see any way Fluery doesn't make it, I basically have him as a lock, I think Fluery, Bowey, Nurse & Morrissey should be slam dunks with the others battling for the last 3 spots.
 
Ray Ferraro,

what else did McKenzie discuss?

...

my team without NHL players back

Fabbri - McDavid - Domi
Dal Colle - Reinhart - Point
Dickinson - Petan - Virtanen
Chartier - Gauthier - Paul
Ritchie

Nurse - Bigras
Morrissey - Bowey
Morin - Hicketts
Sanheim

Comrie/Fucale
Talked about we have alot of depth and experience on the centre position, returning players as the top 4 Cs, possibly 5 if Horvat returns. He says the plan is to play McDavid, Reinhart and Petan as the 3C. Gauthier isn't a lock but has a chance because of his ability to kill penalties. He says they're using the Olympic model for the World Juniors this season, 4 scoring lines. He thinks Morrissey and Theodore will be the RDs after Bowey. He thinks Nurse and Theodore have to play their way off the team, Morrissey and Bowey are locks. The competition he thinks will be very strong.

Alot of depth on forward, McDavid is playing centre, Reinhart is playing 2C even though both were wingers last year. McKenzie (to me) thinks it's McDavid, Reinhart, Petan, Gauthier are the 4Cs, he thinks Domi is a lock on the left side. Alot of players are hot. Canada can leave a spot open for McDavid and not bring him until he is 100% healthy if he can't start on the 26th but seems like he will be ready anyways.

You can see the full video here: http://www.tsn.ca/video/wjhc-breaking-down-canada-s-invitees-1.148831

There's more on TSN about Canada's WJHC roster, etc.
 
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