2014 Trade Deadline Thread II (All General Trade Talk/Proposals/Blog Rumors in here)

[CBJWerenski8]

A) What news did I miss
and
B) Paul Stastny

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod

Further to that, some teams who have inquired about Kesler have been told he won't waive NTC... including Toronto & Columbus.

 

[CentreKeeper12]

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod

Further to that, some teams who have inquired about Kesler have been told he won't waive NTC... including Toronto & Columbus.

Well there goes the dream of an Umby Kesler reunion

 

[Socks]

The pragmatic fan in me says I'm glad Kesler doesn't want us because he would've been expensive and I would've hated the price and we don't need to make a move just to make a move.

The girly - girl part of me really wants a shiny new toy.

Pragmatic fan is winning so far but girly - girl is still staring at all the goodies.

 

[Kev22]

CKNW ‏@CKNW 6m
According to the Province newspaper, Ryan Kesler will not waive his no trade clause to join the Columbus Blue Jackets

Eff 'em, move on to the next.

 

[NotWendell]

I don't think Murray's injury puts us in sell mode. If anything, it puts us in BUY mode for another defenseman.

 

[db2011]

CKNW ‏@CKNW 6m
According to the Province newspaper, Ryan Kesler will not waive his no trade clause to join the Columbus Blue Jackets

Always thought that guy was an a-hole

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Always thought that guy was an a-hole

According to the article I just read, he seems to be. He was quoted in the past as being not much of a student in his 1 year here at OSU and it really paints it as the dislike between them is still here.

http://www.theprovince.com/touch/story.html?id=9574518

 

[DJA]

Always thought that guy was an a-hole

Yeah, I'm glad I won't be forced to root for him. Seems like a real d-bag and my hate for him has grown.

 

[DJA]

All of a sudden, I keep hearing a bunch of Gaborik to Boston rumors. What on earth would we want from them?

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 1m
As much as the Bruins are going after a defenseman, they are also pursuing a top-6 forward. Gaborik among those they've discussed

 

[Mayor Bee]

All of a sudden, I keep hearing a bunch of Gaborik to Boston rumors. What on earth would we want from them?

 

[DJA]

 

[punk_o_holic]

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 1m
Bruins have had scouts at last 3 CBJ games, including tonight... I don't believe Gaborik is their No1 target, but he's been discussed.


I wonder who else they would target.

 

[Jackets16]

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 1m
Bruins have had scouts at last 3 CBJ games, including tonight... I don't believe Gaborik is their No1 target, but he's been discussed.


I wonder who else they would target.

I am pretty sure he means Gaborik isn't the number 1 guy they want. Not, Gaborik isn't their number 1 guy from Columbus.

 

[EspenK]

I think the B's are short on experienced D going into the playoffs. Seidenberg is out for the season and I believe another one of their vets took a hit recently. Maybe Nikitin or Johnson?

Don't know if we give them up, especially if Murray's injury is serious, or who Boston would return but my guess is they want D.

 

[Xoggz22]

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 1m
Bruins have had scouts at last 3 CBJ games, including tonight... I don't believe Gaborik is their No1 target, but he's been discussed.


I wonder who else they would target.

Nikitin is the most likely target. Experience, size, bottom pair but could be #4 type. Cost effective and expiring contract. Not sure CBJ could move him with injuries to two of our 6 primary D injured.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Nikitin is the most likely target. Experience, size, bottom pair but could be #4 type. Cost effective and expiring contract. Not sure CBJ could move him with injuries to two of our 6 primary D injured.

Agree.

Under normal circumstances I might have supported the idea. While I like the blueline depth and think Erixon and/or Goloubef are capable, I am laying claim to being the first one to suggest the team should add a veteran d-man - even before the injuries to Tyutin or Murray. So suffice to say I'd be opposed to this now.

In a vacuum, Golo stepping in for Murray (for what I hope is a short time) works for me. But when you take the blueline as a whole and see that there's a kid on every pair and the veteran partner is even young yet, I see the need to make a move for a vet that can play.

 

[Samkow]

I think the Gaborik trade only happens if it's to move salary to bring in another high salaried player, ala Kesler.

Without it, I think Gaborik stays.

 

[Jackets16]

I think the Gaborik trade only happens if it's to move salary to bring in another high salaried player, ala Kesler.

Without it, I think Gaborik stays.

I disagree. I just don't think Gaborik makes us that much of a better team. I don't see us keeping him past this year, so we must trade him. It just isn't smart asset management to lose a player like him for nothing.

 

[Samkow]

I disagree. I just don't think Gaborik makes us that much of a better team. I don't see us keeping him past this year, so we must trade him. It just isn't smart asset management to lose a player like him for nothing.

Unfortunately, most of the fanbase doesn't share your "everyone over 23 sucks" views and it will be seen as "giving up" by a lot of the fanbase. Trading Gaborik without a significant piece headed back the other way is a great way to shoot yourself in the foot. The team is right in the middle of it. Can't give up now for "asset management" purposes.

 

[blahblah]

I disagree. I just don't think Gaborik makes us that much of a better team. I don't see us keeping him past this year, so we must trade him. It just isn't smart asset management to lose a player like him for nothing.

Yes, no value to a veteran forward that can score goals on a team with numerous players than haven't played in a playoff game.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I disagree. I just don't think Gaborik makes us that much of a better team. I don't see us keeping him past this year, so we must trade him. It just isn't smart asset management to lose a player like him for nothing.

"Asset management" could possibly include the temporary retention of a player who brings a needed skill-set and experience. (Yes, I realize you've already said you don't think he makes the team better.)

I'd like to know what you mean by "a player like him."

 

[Jackets16]

Yep, you are right. I think everyone over 23 stiks. That's why I keep asking for us to trade all of our players over 23. Whatever. Just because I don't think it is smart to trade a bunch of assets for a 29 year old who plays a physical game and has had a lot of injuries the last two years doesn't mean I think that way.

As for a team wih numerous players that haven't played in a playoff game. Which team is that?

 

[Jackets16]

"Asset management" could possibly include the temporary retention of a player who brings a needed skill-set and experience. (Yes, I realize you've already said you don't think he makes the team better.)

I'd like to know what you mean by "a player like him."

Any player who isn't signed for the following year.

 

[blahblah]

As for a team wih numerous players that haven't played in a playoff game. Which team is that?

Oh I don't know.

Johansen, Atkinson, Calvert, and Jenner. Not to mention Prout, Murray, Nikitin, and Savard.

Where would 54 games of playoff experience with 18 goals and 35 points in those games rank him on the Jackets? I think that might be more playoff games than our entire defense.

 

[Xoggz22]

Initially I was thinking maybe the CBJ should get involved with discussions for Edler. His cap hit is manageable($5MM - likely dictates moving one of our other D-men), his contract runs through his prime (through age 32) and he's historically been a top pair guy (6'3, Left shot, 45 pt type guy, plays all situations). Right now is a possible buy low situation (Van likely selling, -24 on season and not playing great hockey, was injured). However, I'm not sure I like his contract. It's structured like Nash's (increasing through the end rather than front loaded) - 5 years remaining with almost $28MM left. Any thoughts on pursuing him?

Another Vancouver option that I think might fit would be Bieksa. Only 2 years left, 32 yo, right shot. $4.6MM cap hit ($6.5MM salary). I think some other younger players with term and somewhat (or very) established could be available and might fit different needs for long term or possible playoff push this year (Myers, Cowen(huge but reclamation at this point), Vatanen, Larsson, Kulikov, Gudbranson) but less likely given our current depth of prospects.

Personally, I think we need another top pair guy that can be around for a while. I have confidence that Murray will get there but I don't see any others on the roster or in the minors that tell me we have two all around top end d-men. Trade deadline isn't likely the place to deal with this but it's possible it could be depending on the CBJ view of some available players and where they truly feel this team is in terms of Cup contender (not just playoff contender). Anyone that may come in likely means a move of one of our current long term contracts. That's an off season issue though....