2014 Trade Deadline Thread (All General Deadline Talk/Proposals/Blog Rumors in here)

[Derby]

Have to strongly disagree, can't give up the future of our defense that's only 20 years old compared to an aging defenseman on the wrong side of 30. That's not taking anything away from Tyuts, his value is often under appreciated but nothing compared to the years of stability Ryan Murray will provide going forward.

I get that, but for here and NOW... I think the team values Tyutin in the role of experience.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I put Joey, Horton, Bob, and Jenner as well. I'd give Murray if return is right. In my opinion, Tyutin is a guy we keep. He's rock steady. And with a young team we need that quiet confidence. Dubi adds fire, Tyuts adds calm confidence.

I agree we don't trade Tyutin for the reasons you state. Indeed, it occurs to me that Jarmo might want to ADD a veteran d-man, just a steady guy probably on an expiring deal.

That said, I don't think there's much that's going to be available that Jarmo ought to be trading Murray for. I can't imagine what a real-life trade offer for Murray would look like that I would consider.

 

[Crede777]

Problem is, a team we would make a significant deal with would be looking for youth. Our youth are vital to our success though aside from Erixon who shouldn't bring much by himself.

And things are clicking such that I am scared of what moving someone like Umberger, Nikitin, or even Letestu might do... Let alone a Johnson or Tyutin.

 

[Jackets16]

So I going to make an assumption about the summer here, we keep Gaborik for the PO push and then let him walk due to $$$ demands for a product made of cheap plastic.

There may be some move for a young forward but I htink we'll be surprised by a lack of much happening in the way of top 6 forwards to me that leaves pursuing UFA.

Vanek will likely be the top paid UFA this summer. But what about guys like Moulson or Michalek who have a history as goal scorers and are both younger and (likely) cheaper than bringing Gabby back. Thoughts?

I'd be very surprised if we don't trade Gaborik.

 

[Fro]

Problem is, a team we would make a significant deal with would be looking for youth. Our youth are vital to our success though aside from Erixon who shouldn't bring much by himself.

And things are clicking such that I am scared of what moving someone like Umberger, Nikitin, or even Letestu might do... Let alone a Johnson or Tyutin.

while i agree, i'm hesitant b/c while we're beating up on most of the east...we aren't able to compete with the bostons and pittsburghs, so we do need to add something to play against them...

 

[Fro]

I'd be very surprised if we don't trade Gaborik.

if we don't at trade deadline, we will before the draft...he won't walk away...

 

[Jackets16]

I get that, but for here and NOW... I think the team values Tyutin in the role of experience.

Trading Murray would be ABSOLUTELY STUPID. You can't just worry about the now. You have to build your team for now AND the future. There are only 2 players I absolutely would not trade. Johansen and Murray. Everyone else is available in the right trade.

 

[Jackets16]

Problem is, a team we would make a significant deal with would be looking for youth. Our youth are vital to our success though aside from Erixon who shouldn't bring much by himself.

And things are clicking such that I am scared of what moving someone like Umberger, Nikitin, or even Letestu might do... Let alone a Johnson or Tyutin.

I have no problem moving Umberger, Letestu, or Nikitin (in that order). I would trade Umberger for just about anything just to free up the cap space he takes up.

 

[Crede777]

while i agree, i'm hesitant b/c while we're beating up on most of the east...we aren't able to compete with the bostons and pittsburghs, so we do need to add something to play against them...

I don't think a deadline acquisition will get us there. Our main hope is for the youth to hit their ceilings in a few years.

 

[Sore Loser]

That said, I don't think there's much that's going to be available that Jarmo ought to be trading Murray for. I can't imagine what a real-life trade offer for Murray would look like that I would consider.

Agreed.

Under-22 defensemen that play on the top-4 for any team is impressive ... but guys that have done it and fit in? Now, there's the standout aspect.

If you trade Ryan Murray, the return had better be a John Tavares/Steven Stamkos type of return. And we'd better not be including a ton more ... Ryan Murray is going to be that important to this team. Certainly, I won't insult anyone's intelligence by saying that he'll be that kind of scoring threat, but his importance to the team cannot be underestimated.

 

[punk_o_holic]

Trading Murray would be ABSOLUTELY STUPID. You can't just worry about the now. You have to build your team for now AND the future. There are only 2 players I absolutely would not trade. Johansen and Murray. Everyone else is available in the right trade.

I wouldn't trade Bobrovsky as well. Why go after another star goalie if we already have one? Those 3 would be nice to build around with all 3 playing a different position.

 

[Jackets16]

I wouldn't trade Bobrovsky as well. Why go after another star goalie if we already have one? Those 3 would be nice to build around with all 3 playing a different position.

I agree. If I were ranking them, it would be Johansen (1), Murray (2a), and Bobrovsky (2b). Then there are a few guys in the next tier, but there really isn't anyone else I wouldn't trade in the right deal.

 

[blahblah]

Huh? Why are we cherry picking 38 games? JJ and Tyutin are both negative plus/minus players on the season. JJ to the tune of -8 and Tyutin at -1. Murray and Prout are the only other defensemen with a negative plus/minus.

What part of "currently" did you miss?

 

[blahblah]

FWIW

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/cbj140120.html

Meh, I don't know if I believe them. We can't do much until we move other salary.

 

[hockey_nut]

Meh, I don't know if I believe them. We can't do much until we move other salary.

It says that in the article lol... the last paragraph:

The Blue Jackets do not have much salary cap space and trading Gaborik and his $7.5 million cap hit would give the team plenty of room to maneuver, even though they will get some relief with Gaborik on long-term IR.

Moving him makes sense, to free up any cap space for other deals. I don't expect much of a return for Gaborik, to be honest.

 

[punk_o_holic]

It says that in the article lol... the last paragraph:



Moving him makes sense, to free up any cap space for other deals. I don't expect much of a return for Gaborik, to be honest.

If Jarmo has other deals agreed upon and needed cap space to make those official, do you think he would......

A)give Gaborik away for free(receive a late round pick) just to clear cap space?
B)back out on those agreed upon deals because he can't get the value he wants for Gaborik.
C)Other teams don't want to take on his salary unless Jarmo takes a contract back/eat up some of the cap hit but he can't do that. So he offers a team like Florida or Calgary Gaborik and a 2nd round pick for a 3rd round pick. Florida/Calgary would essentially have no use for him but by taking him for the rest of the season, they make a 3rd round pick become a 2nd round pick. Plus, they could still trade Gaborik for their needs by taking a contract back/eating cap space. Would it even be worth it for the other team to take on a contract(more of a money thing) just to improve a pick by one round? Would it have to be a 4th instead?

 

[EspenK]

Meh, I don't know if I believe them. We can't do much until we move other salary.

According to CapGeek we have 1.785 of cap space at the deadline. I interpret that to mean we can add that much in salary for the rest of the season.

Assuming 20 games left does that mean we can sign a guy making 4 times that for the year? If it does it means just about anyone who will be available can be had. Of course it could affect next year but that's next year's problem.

 

[turkulad]

Canucks fan here coming in peace. I wanted to ask your opinion here instead of the proposal forum because it's a raving madhouse sometimes.

I see there are rumblings about what could be projected as your need right now, and Top D and defensive responsible forward are talked about, as is Gaborik's apparent move to somewhere else at some time at least.

I'm sure you know about Edler's status, it's been all the proposals. Yet he's a guy on his prime and would possibly fit the scructure of your roster, yes? And far as Jannik Hansen is concerned, he's not the next Sedin winger, but used on the third line he's the most defensively responsible Canuck forward I've seen during my time as a fan.

So it makes you wonder, if it would also make you wonder.. I know Gaborik is an UFA, but do you think a Edler+Hansen package would fit your needs to a point that you would consider yourself adding to him to a point where there could be a deal pleasing to both parties?

 

[EDM]

To me the answer is yes. I have not looked at the dollar figures, but in general that sort of trade might be one the jarmo would be interested in.

 

[turkulad]

To me the answer is yes. I have not looked at the dollar figures, but in general that sort of trade might be one the jarmo would be interested in.

That's interesting to know. The only thing would then be, what would Columbus add to Gaborik to make it interesting enough for us. Now at this point Nuck fans would go and yell "Johanson or GTFO" or something like that, yet obviously that's just irrelevant.

Sedin-Sedin-Gaborik
Higgins-Kesler-Kassian
Burrows-Richardson-Santorelli
Sestito-Dalpe-Weise

Hamhuis-Tanev
Garrison-Bieksa
Weber-Stanton
Alberts-Corrado

Adding Gaborik, that's our team with Hansen/Edler leaving. Any rosters pieces with value that would fit this team and be suitable as a return? Seen what you've labelled as untouchable here I'll respect that, the only question mark seems to be Jenner that "could be moved for the right package".. what else? Any particular prospects?

 

[Monk]

I'm fairly confident that any deal we get for Gaborik will be a disappointment for me. The optimist in me keeps thinking he'll return from injury and tear it up and never get injured again. I'm ignoring the realist in me for now.

 

[major major]

According to CapGeek we have 1.785 of cap space at the deadline. I interpret that to mean we can add that much in salary for the rest of the season.

Assuming 20 games left does that mean we can sign a guy making 4 times that for the year? If it does it means just about anyone who will be available can be had. Of course it could affect next year but that's next year's problem.

1.785 is our space at the deadline (i.e. our wiggleroom, the maximum amount of salary we can add). Capgeek has already done the ~4x multiplication that you're talking about to get 1.785.

 

[major major]

Canucks fan here coming in peace. I wanted to ask your opinion here instead of the proposal forum because it's a raving madhouse sometimes.

I see there are rumblings about what could be projected as your need right now, and Top D and defensive responsible forward are talked about, as is Gaborik's apparent move to somewhere else at some time at least.

I'm sure you know about Edler's status, it's been all the proposals. Yet he's a guy on his prime and would possibly fit the scructure of your roster, yes? And far as Jannik Hansen is concerned, he's not the next Sedin winger, but used on the third line he's the most defensively responsible Canuck forward I've seen during my time as a fan.

So it makes you wonder, if it would also make you wonder.. I know Gaborik is an UFA, but do you think a Edler+Hansen package would fit your needs to a point that you would consider yourself adding to him to a point where there could be a deal pleasing to both parties?

Edler and Hansen are both intriguing players despite their fallen stock. They might not fit into the top half of our lineup though, so I doubt Jarmo would put a lot of value into a trade for them. Outside of contract considerations there's a good deal to be made there, but realistically the whole deal hinges on whether Jarmo thinks Edler's play is going to go back up, because he's making $30 million in the next six years.

 

[turkulad]

Edler and Hansen are both intriguing players despite their fallen stock. They might not fit into the top half of our lineup though, so I doubt Jarmo would put a lot of value into a trade for them. Outside of contract considerations there's a good deal to be made there, but realistically the whole deal hinges on whether Jarmo thinks Edler's play is going to go back up, because he's making $30 million in the next six years.

I think Hansen's stock falling has more to do with the amount of responsibility and ill-fitting roles he's been forced into. He's still one of the best 3rd liners you could have, even if he couldn't fit the water from a boat when put together with the Sedins. It just isn't his place. Edler's value here on the forum has also been marred by the fact he's been thrown on every conceivable proposal so far, and also Tanev taking reign as a legit Top4 alongside the BC boys (Hamhuis/Garrison) and Bieksa that just aren't seen as tradeable, and nor they should be. So there's that.

What would you think a good deal would be, then? If Jarmo hypothetically sees the potential. Am I right to assume that to have Edler for the next six years also gives you more safety with the JJ rumours and considering Nikitin's an UFA? I also read you are contemplating about letting go of one of your D to gain an impact forward?

 

[Kev22]

I just read on Eklund's site that the Jackets are very interested in Ryan Callahan. He says he doesn't think there's anything to it, but "sources" are telling him differently. I have dibs on bogus.