2014 Trade Deadline Thread (All General Deadline Talk/Proposals/Blog Rumors in here)

[NotWendell]

If we were talking about any team in the West, I say he gets dealt because that has little impact on the CBJ making the playoffs directly.

I could also see him being dealt to the Penguins or Bruins.

 

[db2011]

My contention is that of course they aren't a cup contender. They are a playoff contender. As little as Gaborik has contributed this season, if he can stay healthy for 1 month, the CBJ would essentially be giving a team competing for the same playoff spot a weapon to use against them in the playoff push.

If the CBJ happen to be solidly in the playoffs come the deadline, by all means, but things are so tight right now I don't see that happening over the next 15 games.

If the long term goal is to win a stanley cup, one of the shorter term milestone goals is to simply make the plaoyffs first. The team shouldn't risk an opportunity to simply compete in the playoffs because they don't feel they are a contender.

If we were talking about any team in the West, I say he gets dealt because that has little impact on the CBJ making the playoffs directly.

The way things are going, Columbus now has a shot at a wild card. Ottawa would be one of the teams that they will be fighting with for a spot. So Ottawa would effect Columbus potentially making/not making the playoffs.

I'm quoting these for accuracy. No way do you trade such a dangerous, game changing player to a team you're tied with in the standings in a playoff chase. That seems pretty clear to me. I mean, what happens when Jarmo makes this trade and we get beat out of the final playoff spot by Ottawa because of Gabby's play? We hang our hat on some prospects for next year?

Doesn't matter what the oddsmakers say our chances of a Cup are. You can't win the Cup without making the playoffs. You can bet ownership would take a shot at the playoffs any day, too, even as a longshot for the finals.

 

[alphafox]

Given the competitiveness of the team without Gaborik what does everyone think the odds of him being traded for prospects/picks is? Also, what do you think the likelihood of the jackets eating salary are, particularly as that would greatly broaden the number of teams with which we could make a deal.

I've heard rumors about the Canucks (would make sense if Torts wasn't involved) I personally could see a trade with Phoenix

 

[Mayor Bee]

I'm quoting these for accuracy. No way do you trade such a dangerous, game changing player to a team you're tied with in the standings in a playoff chase. That seems pretty clear to me. I mean, what happens when Jarmo makes this trade and we get beat out of the final playoff spot by Ottawa because of Gabby's play? We hang our hat on some prospects for next year?

Doesn't matter what the oddsmakers say our chances of a Cup are. You can't win the Cup without making the playoffs. You can bet ownership would take a shot at the playoffs any day, too, even as a longshot for the finals.

This happens to be exactly the same mentality that Nashville had a couple years ago as the trade deadline loomed. Trade Ryan Suter for a monstrous package of picks, players, and prospects; or keep him and go for the Cup? Set the team up to continue to contend for years to come, or run the risk of falling short and losing Suter for nothing.

Of course, we know what happened. Nashville kept him and went for the Cup, got bounced in the second round, then lost Suter for absolutely nothing. Was it worth it?

 

[Sore Loser]

This happens to be exactly the same mentality that Nashville had a couple years ago as the trade deadline loomed. Trade Ryan Suter for a monstrous package of picks, players, and prospects; or keep him and go for the Cup? Set the team up to continue to contend for years to come, or run the risk of falling short and losing Suter for nothing.

Of course, we know what happened. Nashville kept him and went for the Cup, got bounced in the second round, then lost Suter for absolutely nothing. Was it worth it?

The analogy works, but it's a different scenario. Suter was 5 years younger, at the peak of his career, and one of the top defensemen in the game - hugely important to the success of the Predators. Gaborik has his value, but to the Jackets, they're having plenty of success without him.

Really, I think I'm good with it either way. I'd love to see the team not only make the playoffs but win it's first playoff game - heck, maybe 2 or 3 playoff games. But, does Marian Gaborik make a huge difference in that regard, either way? Do we deal him, take on (likely) a first round pick and a decent player/prospect?

I think we're in good shape either way. For the first time in our history, losing a player of this ilk for nothing would far from cripple us.

 

[punk_o_holic]

This happens to be exactly the same mentality that Nashville had a couple years ago as the trade deadline loomed. Trade Ryan Suter for a monstrous package of picks, players, and prospects; or keep him and go for the Cup? Set the team up to continue to contend for years to come, or run the risk of falling short and losing Suter for nothing.

Of course, we know what happened. Nashville kept him and went for the Cup, got bounced in the second round, then lost Suter for absolutely nothing. Was it worth it?

Or Florida with Bouwmeester. Except that they ended up missing the playoffs and ended up trading his rights to Calgary for a very bad draft pick.

If a team Columbus is fighting for a playoff spot offers you the best package versus a Western Conference conference team offering a good but not the best package, which do you take? Always the best package, even if it's against a team your competing with or the lesser package because you don't want to help out your competition? Does it depend on what the package is? How big of a difference it is? Or trade him for the best offer and then go out and make another trade so you still have a shot at a playoff?

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

I cannot believe what I'm reading in this thread. A team that went 19-5-5 down the stretch last year in a tougher conference still has Bob in net & has improved themselves over last season has no shot at the Stanley Cup if they qualify for the playoffs? Are you guys insane?
Kiprusoff, who I compare Bob to, took a much weaker team, but very similar in their work ethic, & won the Stanley Cup. I know they didn't technically win it, Tampa Bay was awarded it, but they should have because they were robbed by instant replay in game 6 & this is coming from an Oilers fan. CBJ has the real thing in net just like Kiprusoff was the real thing back then.
I kinda get the feeling that the CBJ fan base is just waiting for midnight to strike & for Bob to turn into a pumpkin but, believe me, he is the real deal & have been telling anybody who would listen since February of last season, &, barring injury, will be a great goalie for years to come. Anything is possible with this guy in net.

Did I forget to mention Sergei Bobrovsky is the real thing?

 

[JACKETfan]

If we dump RJ we're going to need another veteran lockerroom leader like Whitney. We can't afford to get any younger in that respect.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I cannot believe what I'm reading in this thread. A team that went 19-5-5 down the stretch last year in a tougher conference still has Bob in net & has improved themselves over last season has no shot at the Stanley Cup if they qualify for the playoffs? Are you guys insane?

It's an interesting discussion for sure.

Consider also that the FO added Gaborik about halfway through the Jackets' late-season charge. In other words, the team was already playing well without Gaborik (sound familar?), but he was brought in to help with the push. If the FO thought he could help last year, isn't it possible they think he'll help this year as well?

Of course, his contract situation is different now, and so it's different that last year. Plus this year's team has Horton to help with the push. However, I see that Horton was added because the push fell short, the assumption being that last year's team (with Gaborik) plus Horton (essentially replacing Prospal) would be better positioned to make the potseason.

It might not be "crippling" (SL's word) to move Gaborik, but it might be just enough. Mayor Bee's question of " was it worth it?" is certainly an interesting one.

I don't think any of the three scenarios (trade Gaborik, keep him and don't re-sign him, keep him and re-sign him) is a foregone conclusion.

 

[pete goegan]

It's an interesting discussion for sure.

Consider also that the FO added Gaborik about halfway through the Jackets' late-season charge. In other words, the team was already playing well without Gaborik (sound familar?), but he was brought in to help with the push. If the FO thought he could help last year, isn't it possible they think he'll help this year as well?

Of course, his contract situation is different now, and so it's different that last year. Plus this year's team has Horton to help with the push. However, I see that Horton was added because the push fell short, the assumption being that last year's team (with Gaborik) plus Horton (essentially replacing Prospal) would be better positioned to make the potseason.

It might not be "crippling" (SL's word) to move Gaborik, but it might be just enough. Mayor Bee's question of " was it worth it?" is certainly an interesting one.

I don't think any of the three scenarios (trade Gaborik, keep him and don't re-sign him, keep him and re-sign him) is a foregone conclusion.

Yep.

 

[Fro]

I don't think any of the three scenarios (trade Gaborik, keep him and don't re-sign him, keep him and re-sign him) is a foregone conclusion.

will be interesting with "two" trade deadlines this year how things shape up...i think Gaby will be skating some this week...can't wait to see if he makes it back before Olympics or not...

 

[Jackets16]

Or Florida with Bouwmeester. Except that they ended up missing the playoffs and ended up trading his rights to Calgary for a very bad draft pick.

If a team Columbus is fighting for a playoff spot offers you the best package versus a Western Conference conference team offering a good but not the best package, which do you take? Always the best package, even if it's against a team your competing with or the lesser package because you don't want to help out your competition? Does it depend on what the package is? How big of a difference it is? Or trade him for the best offer and then go out and make another trade so you still have a shot at a playoff?

IMO, you should ALWAYS take the best offer. The Columbus GM should worry about making Columbus the best he can. If we become the best we can then how good another team is won't matter. It only matters when you are an average or worse team.

 

[Jackets16]

It's an interesting discussion for sure.

Consider also that the FO added Gaborik about halfway through the Jackets' late-season charge. In other words, the team was already playing well without Gaborik (sound familar?), but he was brought in to help with the push. If the FO thought he could help last year, isn't it possible they think he'll help this year as well?

Of course, his contract situation is different now, and so it's different that last year. Plus this year's team has Horton to help with the push. However, I see that Horton was added because the push fell short, the assumption being that last year's team (with Gaborik) plus Horton (essentially replacing Prospal) would be better positioned to make the potseason.

We also have other players playing better. We now have Murray. Johansen is A LOT better than he was last year. Jenner is starting to play well. The team is better than they were last year and it isn't just because they have Horton now.

 

[alphafox]

The smartest move might be to package gaborik for a young impact forward. We have a shot at the playoffs and the loss of gaborik likely won't make an impact, however if we could package something for eberle (gaborik -salary + anisimov) or a similar deal that could help us both now and in the future we would be better positioned to make some noise in the playoffs. A bit of a pipe dream (particularly regarding Edmonton) but that probably makes more sense than dumping gabby for straight picks and prospects . Maybe send him back to NYR for Kreider

 

[cbjfaninmo]

The smartest move might be to package gaborik for a young impact forward.

This is still my vote.

 

[major major]

The smartest move might be to package gaborik for a young impact forward. We have a shot at the playoffs and the loss of gaborik likely won't make an impact, however if we could package something for eberle (gaborik -salary + anisimov) or a similar deal that could help us both now and in the future we would be better positioned to make some noise in the playoffs. A bit of a pipe dream (particularly regarding Edmonton) but that probably makes more sense than dumping gabby for straight picks and prospects . Maybe send him back to NYR for Kreider

No one trades a young impact forward for Gaborik.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

We also have other players playing better. We now have Murray. Johansen is A LOT better than he was last year. Jenner is starting to play well. The team is better than they were last year and it isn't just because they have Horton now.

Yes of course but you wouldn't have read my post, which was already trending long, had I gone into full detail. I'm also not going to belabor the idea that the FO might not have wanted to assume all of the above. None of this changes the gist of what I was getting at.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

The smartest move might be to package gaborik for a young impact forward. We have a shot at the playoffs and the loss of gaborik likely won't make an impact, however if we could package something for eberle (gaborik -salary + anisimov) or a similar deal that could help us both now and in the future we would be better positioned to make some noise in the playoffs. A bit of a pipe dream (particularly regarding Edmonton) but that probably makes more sense than dumping gabby for straight picks and prospects . Maybe send him back to NYR for Kreider

All well and good. Can you make a case for another team wanting to trade a young impact forward for Gaborik?

 

[Mayor Bee]

All well and good. Can you make a case for another team wanting to trade a young impact forward for Gaborik?

Before and after...

 

[Xoggz22]

I'm quoting these for accuracy. No way do you trade such a dangerous, game changing player to a team you're tied with in the standings in a playoff chase. That seems pretty clear to me. I mean, what happens when Jarmo makes this trade and we get beat out of the final playoff spot by Ottawa because of Gabby's play? We hang our hat on some prospects for next year?

Doesn't matter what the oddsmakers say our chances of a Cup are. You can't win the Cup without making the playoffs. You can bet ownership would take a shot at the playoffs any day, too, even as a longshot for the finals.

I respectfully disagree with you and Iron Balls on this issue. I'm a big Gabby fan but given the current make up of the team and the most likely scenario that he won't be re-signed, the CBJ is not in a position to lose him for a low pick before the draft or nothing at all. While he could be a game changer, right now I would argue he hasn't been part of the makeup of this team to get us into a potential spot.

In my opinion, if you can add assets that can help short and long term you make the move. Especially if moving the piece has perceived value to others and doesn't appear to be the missing piece for our current team. He might be. His skill level is amazing but it's also possible this team continues the trajectory up into the playoffs without him. Grab assets if you can.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Before and after...

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at here.

 

[Mayor Bee]

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at here.

Teams are always looking to offload young players for one reason or another, whether because the player isn't coming along as they'd hoped or (in the case of the pictured Burmistrov) because they're morons who have zero clue about asset management.

The question, of course, would be whether to pick up someone who may or may not become a player of significant impact. I've coveted Burmistrov since he was a rookie in Atlanta, and believe that he was huge upside with a floor that's about what Malhotra was when he was here. But like what I said about Suter, would a move like that make sense? A mark of a good GM is knowing when a slump isn't just a slump and is actually decline, and the mark of a great GM is convincing everyone else that it's actually just a slump.

 

[Kev22]

My question is does GMJK want to see the team fully healthy (with the exception of Boll)? The possibilities for this team with Gaborik are endless. If he comes back healthy post-Olympics, this team by far would be the best we've ever iced from a talent standpoint (yes, including the playoff team). I don't even know how the lines would work.

Umberger-Anisimov-Gaborik
Foligno-Johansen-Horton
Calvert-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Jenner-Letestu-MacKenzie
Comeau, Skille

Who's the odd man out? I guess I wouldn't be against trading Gaborik, but why not try to make a run. Him being healthy would be like a trade acquisition. I guess it depends on if any of the top players from bottom feeders are available.

 

[Jackets16]

Yes of course but you wouldn't have read my post, which was already trending long, had I gone into full detail. I'm also not going to belabor the idea that the FO might not have wanted to assume all of the above. None of this changes the gist of what I was getting at.

I am just saying that they may have added Horton because when they did they didn't think we had enough even after adding Gaborik. However, with the development of our younger players, they may not feel that way anymore.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Teams are always looking to offload young players for one reason or another, whether because the player isn't coming along as they'd hoped or (in the case of the pictured Burmistrov) because they're morons who have zero clue about asset management.

The question, of course, would be whether to pick up someone who may or may not become a player of significant impact. I've coveted Burmistrov since he was a rookie in Atlanta, and believe that he was huge upside with a floor that's about what Malhotra was when he was here. But like what I said about Suter, would a move like that make sense? A mark of a good GM is knowing when a slump isn't just a slump and is actually decline, and the mark of a great GM is convincing everyone else that it's actually just a slump.

Fair enough. I interpreted the suggestion of acquiring an "young impact forward" as less flexible in its definition of "impact." And I also intended my query to be more specific regarding potential scenarios -- what team might, at this time, be looking to offload a "young impact forward" specifically for Gaborik.