2014 Trade Deadline Thread (All General Deadline Talk/Proposals/Blog Rumors in here)
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As a player, that's who I'd like, too.
I'm no smartie with the cap/contract stuff, but I'm having trouble figuring out what all would need to go away to bring him in. Is it possible you end up with Dubi at center anyway?
Those questions aside, I'm not sure the Avs are really going to move him. I think they have plenty of room to get him signed and enough seasons before MacKinnon (for example) gets paid to figure that scenario out. At least, if I was an Avs fan, that's what I'd be thinking.
How many have went out and gotten a LW/RW who was owed a lot of money and years?
Blackhawks and Marian Hossa? Minnesota Wild and Zach Parise? NJ Devils and Illya Kovalchuk? LA Kings and Jeff Carter? Carolina and Alex Semin? San Jose Sharks and Dany Heatly? Jets aquired Andrew Ladd and Blake Wheeler, gave both long term deals...
Oh yeah, and the Rangers and Rick Nash?
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This is really a nonsensical way to look at this. Giroux, Crosby, Perry, Parise...These guys aren't available. They rarely are. On the occasion one does become available (like Parise) they get a huge deal.
And even guys like Getzlaf, Perry, who re-up with their current team, these guys got their deals in their late 20's which will carry huge cap hits well through their mid-to-late 30's. I mean, Horton is almost 30 and had a bum shoulder and he got 7 years.
I don't see any reason to expect Vanek to have a drop off anytime soon, he's a pure goal scorer. Guys like Marleau, Hossa, etc have no problem scoring well into their 30s.
But even so...that's the cost of doing business. No elite player takes a 2 year deal in their prime if they are going to UFA. You think Vanek's (or any of these guys) agents are going to take a 2-3 year deal?
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Jeff Carter makes the 5th most on the Kings. I am pretty sure everyone making more than him are C, D, and G. Again, what team has won the cup with a LW or RW making the most? I honestly don't know and would like to know. Chicago may have with Hossa.
I think it's Hossa although NJ reached the cup finals with Kovalchuk as a highest paid player. Not sure when his extension kicked in but it looks like Lucic is the highest paid forward on the Bruins.
there is no one formula for position-salary to winning the cup. When LA won, Quick wasn't making that much and both times Chicago won they weren't paying their goalie much. The Bos-Van series had two high priced, big named goalies. Also, Bruins won and reached a cup final without paying big money to Krejci or Bergeron as their top centers and having Chara making the most and the rest of the money spread more evenly.
But getting back to Vanek, I don't think you can say that giving him a huge deal (or the Wild giving Parise a huge deal) knocks them from Cup contention based on previous history. I think Vanek is worth it and if there's a chance they could get him I'd be all in favor of the CBJ landing him.
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Kane and Toews make the same amount (2013)
Hossa (2010) by far
Selanne was the highest paid FW (Nieds and Pronger made more) (2007)
That's it for the last 10 years. And man Doug Weight made a lot on that 06 Canes team.
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I could see that and would support it. Not that I don't like Atkinson(on the contrary) but I think he offers very good value and could easily see Kane taking a spot in the top 6 allowing one of those wings to slide down to Atkinson's spot. My biggest fear with Kane is what is he going to want on his next contract and does he want to play in a secondary market or is he a big market guy?
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I wondered this aloud when musing about Paul Stastny, sop will someone help me out here? My guess is this doesn't work with the salary cap this season unless something else goes away. Is that right?
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I think it's an illusion that's created by time in youth hockey. Generally, the best offensive forward on his team is going to play center. As he continues on through the age groups, he's not being moved unless he's clearly better on the wing.
When you're talking about top prospects, they're generally guys who have been the best player on their team the entire way up, so they've never moved to a different position. It's just like in baseball; they draft mostly shortstops, center fielders, and hitters. A CF who can't hack it at the highest level can be moved, and a shortstop who can't field well enough can be moved, but no one except Cal Ripken moves to CF or SS.
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I like Kane, but I wouldn't do this deal even if you take out the picks.
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Kane is signed through 2018.
Thanks. For some reason I was thinking he was a RFA next year. $5.2MM cap hit until 2018. Probably need to move some salary if this were ever to happen.
Dubinsky and Foligno are two hugely valuable players to us. If I ever thought we had to get rid of them to accommodate Vanek, I'd forget Vanek. But we have more than enough cap space so there's no dilemma. You've constructed a false choice.
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The problem is, Columbus can't sustain being a cap team at the current attendance and revenue stream level. Adding salary isn't likely to continue. I still look at the Blues model and think the team will continue to get younger and better and move some salary. I don't think our salary figure will rise. I thought getting Gaborik was a major surprise given his salary structure but then thought he was a player they would move at this year's deadline to gain assets. I have a hard time thinking the CBJ adds big time players in the off season without removing salary.
Certainly I could be way off base but I simply don't see the deep pockets and until this team wins the fans will remain at 14,000 per game. They need to go two rounds in the playoffs to likely break even....
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Count me out for Kane. Just got a weird feeling about him, and that he wouldn't fit in with the team or the city. Great player though
Ripken moved from SS to 3rd later in his career. However in the All star game in his last season ARod ran out to 3rd in the 1st inning and forced Ripken to play SS.
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I'm not an expert on the cap, matter of fact I tend to be on the slow side but in trying to learn here goes. According to CapGeek we will have almost 4 mill available at the deadline. Stastny makes 6.6 so we'd have to ditch the 2.6 mill difference. Not exactly sure why our amount fluctuates, I think it has to do with IR, demotions, etc. So sending one of our young D wouldn't cover the shortfall;even throwing in a low paid F doesn't help. Nikitin & a Skille, Comeau, etc would cover it.
Any input/corrections/clarifications greatly welcomed.
You could have said the same thing five years ago, and yet we've frequently been a cap team. I've been surprised in the past that ownership has been willing to spend so much, but I guess its their call as to how much money they are willing to lose each year.
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