Not trying to be snarky, but someone please tell me why we'd want Ott and give up our first to acquire another 4th liner.
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You know the answer(s)/explanation(s) well enough, even if you don't/wouldn't agree with them. Seriously, it will be interesting to see if someone can make a compelling enough case to convince you it's a good idea. I know you said "not trying to be snarky" but your phrasing certainly paints a particular picture.
I'm not myself convinced, I'm just entertaining the notion and carrying it a step further.
I'm sure I'll hear about grit and grind and toughness and experience but I doubt it will convince me, considering the cost involved and the fact that he's almost certain to resign in Buffalo in the off season.
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Honesty and clarity. Good post.
I'm sure that there are plenty of folks who think that the steadying influence that both of those Sabres players would bring, especially in the defensive end, would be worth the price (assuming I'm close on price, I have no idea). There are also plenty that don't feel they'd add enough (or anything) so why move assets?
Point is, I can argue either side, if I wanted to. There might be some individual explanations one way or the other that can't be predicted, but I think we know generally why some fans might or might not consider this a good thing. (I'm not going to argue both sides on purpose or randomly pick a side and argue it.)
I honestly could be convinced either way at this point.
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While I think adding a guy like Ott for the playoff drive makes sense-not at the price listed. Imo it be would be mortgaging the future for a short term benefit. If he was the missing piece on an experienced playoff team that had serious Cup aspirations (and chances) I'd pay more than I would in our situation but even then I think the proposed is a bit steep.
If mgt has soured on Erixon, then maybe him and a Chaput-esque guy and a 2nd or third but nothing more.
Agree on Ott. Why would we acquire another 4th liner where we are at today?
Now, on Moulson. Of course we'd be interested right. This guy can put it in the net.
But...What exactly would the asset price be for a pending FA? Admiteddly, I have no idea.
I mean, if we let Gaborik walk (or trade for picks) then we could make room to sign him right? And what is the market value for him (Moulson) dollar wise?
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I'd guess he would look for something in the neighborhood of 5.5-6.5 a yr for 6 yrs or so. If he will get that I don't know but I won't be surprised if he does.
Okay. Now what would we have to give asset wise to get him at the deadline. I assume our first AND....what?
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Just for clarity's sake, I was discussing a posible proposal for both Ott and Tallinder. And the difference between what you say is acceptable and my "proposal" is a second-round pick instead of a first in a draft largely perceived to be lacking in high-end talent and in which the CBJ will hopefully be picking in the middle of the round at best. That's a short road from "a bit steep" to "nothing more."
While I like Ott and think he fits our style and provides leadership and defensive presence, I think that a finishing left winger is more important. Either Gaborik comes back and plays that role or we use him to acquire one. Is Moulson that guy? This would be an important role that would slot in on the left side of Johansen and Horton.
Ouch...I guess that depends on the defenseman and the prospect.
If we brought in Moulson, I'd assume Gabby would be moving out and would net us a pick or prospect or both back.
Honestly, I'm kinda torn between totally having the long term interest in mind vs really gearing up for this year (which we won't and shouldn't do). It's just been a long road for us fans. Some committment to winning a playoff series would do a lot of goodwill going forward. A balancing act for sure!
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as it has been stated, when thinking about deals, remember we're right against it in terms of contracts...so we can't take back more than we send out...
Fro
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i'm on record as in the "want Evander Kane" lately...doubt he's moved, but I'm willing to go all out on him...many disagreed with my ideas earlier in this thread....
Fro
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sorry, the disagreed was with what I was willing to part with... i.e. Cam, Erixon, 1st
Savard's been levelling guys this year, he's really muscled up. That and he's a better scorer. Cody's advantage is (and this is entirely from observations on callups) in poise. Savard has had times where the pressure got to him (though less so this year). Cody's always cool. That might give him the edge come playoff time.
Either way, both guys have somewhat limited trade value because they haven't fully established themselves and they've never been top prospects. If we have to trade a D I'd trade a veteran D who we'll get something for.
Hmm.. I don't like the idea. I don't think tallinder and ott add to our lineup what we don't already have. And let's not toss away young for old so easily.
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