Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread VI

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers' Brian Boyle fits Tim Murray's description of guys looking to sign with Sabres to prove they can play a first-, second-line role

https://twitter.com/BuffNewsVogl/status/483757666636800000

Murray needs to spend many millions to reach the floor. Boyle is looking to get paid and have more responsibility. Northeast team. Close to his family in Boston.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

"Pouliot stinks"

Compelling, fact filled argument.

 

[Ail]

Scott Burnside believing the Rangers will sign Stastny is a "smoke signal". Scott Burnside?

If Staal was in play,it would have been out there by now. This isn't a case of the Flyers talking to one team in Columbus for Hartnell and other teams didn't even know the player was available. If Staal was available in a trade,one of the thousand hockey insiders would have reported it. The Rangers would have discussed Staal with other teams and it would have been leaked.

The Rangers are letting those players walk because they're not worth the money or the term.

The Rangers traded a 3rd in 2010 for Boyle and they got 5 years out of him. The Rangers found Stralman in the scrap yard and got 3 years out him. Both of them are in position to hit the lottery and the Rangers shouldn't be the team buying them the winning tickets.

Pouliot stinks.

Pouliot does not stink.

Five years out of Boyle, 3 years of Stralman, both of whom are now at the top of their game. If Boyle wants a bigger role, there's nothing they can do there, but basically the Rangers helped these guys find a place in the NHL, and someone else will get to reap the benefits going forward.

That said, no I don't think the Rangers should overpay anyone.

 

[silverfish]

https://twitter.com/BuffNewsVogl/status/483757666636800000

Murray needs to spend many millions to reach the floor. Boyle is looking to get paid and have more responsibility. Northeast team. Close to his family in Boston.

If Boyle is a first or second liner on the Sabres this coming year, the league needs to sanction them. That's obvious tanking for McDavid/Eichel

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

as much as I love Stralman, I'd rather give Ehrhoff a contract like that. We desperately need the offensive ability.

Ehrhoff is being touted as if he's Drew Doughty around here.

The guy is a 40-point defenseman (not 50 or 60) at this point, and his best years are almost certainly behind him.

I also don't like the sound of a guy who just got bought out for 1000 years at 4M per season who's now asking for 5M per season. I'm not as interested in a guy who's willing to play on the Islanders if they bid the most. I want guys who want to WIN.

Pass on Ehrhoff. The only reason I was open to the idea of acquiring him was because I thought he might come at a slightly discounted price since he was recently bought out. According to McKenzie he's going to make MORE than he was when he got bought out, so absolutely no thank you. Pass. On to the next one.



Obviously not a Stralman replacement, but anyone else like Deryk Engelland as a third-pair RD opposite John Moore? Engelland will cost peanuts, and he's a big guy who plays with a mean streak and is known for clearing the crease with authority. He takes no nonsense whatsoever around the crease / his goaltender.

At a clearance price, he would add the grit/snarl/crease-clearing element that we sorely lack throughout the lineup. I think he should be strongly considered. Right-handed, big, strong, mean, cheap. Sounds perfect to me. 2 years @ 1.1 mil per season.

 

[Ail]

https://twitter.com/BuffNewsVogl/status/483757666636800000

Murray needs to spend many millions to reach the floor. Boyle is looking to get paid and have more responsibility. Northeast team. Close to his family in Boston.

Boyle as a 1/2c lolololol.

 

[profchaos2001]

https://twitter.com/BuffNewsVogl/status/483757666636800000

Murray needs to spend many millions to reach the floor. Boyle is looking to get paid and have more responsibility. Northeast team. Close to his family in Boston.

Un-****ing-believable. Boyle had a fluke season with 20 goals. like 4 years ago. followed by 26 points, 5 points, and 18 points this year.

Top line?????? Buffalo confirmed for tanking for McDavid.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Horrendous. As per usual.

That's the most competetive and most realistic proposed roster I've seen in days, and it's well under the cap-ceiling.

I'd love for you to elaborate.

 

[Thirty One]

Ehrhoff is looking for 4-5 years at $5M per. Bob McKenzie reported that on the NHL Network.

Give him 5 years at $5 million per.... then give him another 2 years @2.5M. $4.28 cap hit.

 

[*Bob Richards*]

Boyle in the Top 6? Oh my....

 

[profchaos2001]

That's the most competetive and most realistic proposed roster I've seen in days, and it's well under the cap-ceiling.

I'd love for you to elaborate.

I think it looks good on paper. I also am very afraid of Spezza being another in our long list of over-the-hill cash-out centers..... Bobby Holik, Scott Gomez, Chris Drury, Brad Richards.

 

[Championship*]

That's the most competetive and most realistic proposed roster I've seen in days, and it's well under the cap-ceiling.

I'd love for you to elaborate.

according to you

 

[Raspewtin]

Give him 5 years at $5 million per.... then give him another 2 years @2.5M. $4.28 cap hit.

This.

Srsly. Signing Ehrhoff would be such a good move.

 

[Thirty One]

Boyle in the Top 6? Oh my....

That's what John Vogl (and no one else) suggests.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Scott Burnside believing the Rangers will sign Stastny is a "smoke signal". Scott Burnside?

If Staal was in play,it would have been out there by now. This isn't a case of the Flyers talking to one team in Columbus for Hartnell and other teams didn't even know the player was available. If Staal was available in a trade,one of the thousand hockey insiders would have reported it. The Rangers would have discussed Staal with other teams and it would have been leaked.

The Rangers are letting those players walk because they're not worth the money or the term.

The Rangers traded a 3rd in 2010 for Boyle and they got 5 years out of him. The Rangers found Stralman in the scrap yard and got 3 years out him. Both of them are in position to hit the lottery and the Rangers shouldn't be the team buying them the winning tickets.

Pouliot stinks.

Marc Staal isn't worth the money he will make on his next contract.

The guy is not anything close to what he was before his multiple head injuries. He has one eye, his decision making with the puck is too slow at both ends of the rink. In the defensive zone it bogs down the transition. In the offensive zone it takes him far too long to get a shot or pass off resulting in the opposition getting in the once open lane. He loses pucks near his feet constantly now. He can't win a foot race to pucks behind him or to the side of him. The only qualities he still possesses are his stick work and his positioning. But it doesn't matter when fast teams continually exploit him.

They need to decide who they want to commit to. The guy who used to be a top defender, or the guy who is.

What scares me is they are leaning towards Staal, and then also leaning towards giving him a partner who is just as immobile or worse (Fayne, Boyle).

If the long-term answer isn't Stralman it sure as heck isn't Staal.

The cap may go up next summer the way it was supposed to this summer. And if it does, Stralman will be a bargain.

They can attempt lowballing important players this summer in hopes they can ice a team even remotely close to as deep as the 13-14 team was, or maybe accept reality and have a transition season where next summer things loosen up a bit with the cap going up, and they can add and then go for a deep run again.

Stralman is a long-term piece. If Vigneault is the long-term coach.

Staal is from an old regime, and he doesn't fit the current system. If we were still collapsing on Henrik for 55 of 60 minutes then Staal would be a no brainer. But now it is man to man, quick transition, speed through the neutral zone, puck possession and hounding the puck. Staal isn't the right guy for that.

Scary they might sign him to big money and put a C on his jersey.

 

[*Bob Richards*]

That's what John Vogl (and no one else) suggests.

Hope so. I don't want Boyle to sign with another team and get hated because he's put into a role he wasn't meant for.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Spezza is a better center than Stepan ever will be IMO.

Deleting everything else, because I stopped reading after this.

Stepan is 24 years old and could be on the verge of being a 65+ point, top 10 defensive center in the NHL.

I don't care if Spezza is better right now than Stepan.

You don't trade players like Stepan for Spezza.

Some of your ideas are good, and creative, but you go off the deep end sometimes.

 

[SixGoalieSystem]

That's the most competetive and most realistic proposed roster I've seen in days, and it's well under the cap-ceiling.

I'd love for you to elaborate.

Hagelin - Miller - Kristo?
J-Moore - Engelland as the bottom pairing?

Engo is pretty much done and I would think having one prospect who's not (proven) NHL ready on the third line is bad enough, let alone adding Kristo to the line.

Not a very competative roster unless Miller and Kristo both take their game to the next level and Engelland bounces back.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

I think it looks good on paper. I also am very afraid of Spezza being another in our long list of over-the-hill cash-out centers..... Bobby Holik, Scott Gomez, Chris Drury, Brad Richards.

Well, the good thing is that his contract expires after this season, so if we do trade for him, this year could not only be a barometer for if we want to extend him or not, but it could go a long way in determining just how much he gets paid per season going forward. Obviously, we'd hope that he fits in wonderfully and we definitely want to extend him, but like you said, if he has a great season (in a contract year), we don't want to get screwed committing to him on a very long-term contract for big $$$. It's a thin line and definitely something to be aware of. Your concern is certainly valid. I still think it's worth the risk, because Spezza is a legitimate top first line center who could really make a difference here. Stepan simply can't do what Spezza can, especially in the playoffs.

according to you

Do you ever contribute anything productive to this forum or do you just make vague, baseless, negative comments and troll around? All I've seen you do is put down other people's suggestions/proposals. Where's your proposal? If you have such a strong opinion on what we SHOULDN'T do, what exactly do you suggest, big shot?

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Pouliot does not stink.

Five years out of Boyle, 3 years of Stralman, both of whom are now at the top of their game. If Boyle wants a bigger role, there's nothing they can do there, but basically the Rangers helped these guys find a place in the NHL, and someone else will get to reap the benefits going forward.

That said, no I don't think the Rangers should overpay anyone.

The way to sustain winning is to replace those guys with new finds who emerge, and then let them go when they price themselves out as well. You maintain a core and the rest you let go and go garbage picking and make your scouts and coaches earn their money.

 

[Championship*]

Do you ever contribute anything productive to this forum or do you just make vague, baseless, negative comments and troll around? All I've seen you do is put down other people's suggestions/proposals. Where's your proposal? If you have such a strong opinion on what we SHOULDN'T do, what exactly do you suggest, big shot?

I suggest making well thought out, logical and realistic proposals rather than poorly thoughtout flights of fancy.

But hey, that's just me.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Do you ever contribute anything productive to this forum or do you just make vague, baseless, negative comments and troll around? All I've seen you do is put down other people's suggestions/proposals. Where's your proposal? If you have such a strong opinion on what we SHOULDN'T do, what exactly do you suggest, big shot?

Dude you are really sensitive.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Trading Stepan for Spezza would be Dave Chappelle level hilarious.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Stastny/Avs don't reach deal officially going to UFA per Lavoie

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Deleting everything else, because I stopped reading after this.

Stepan is 24 years old and could be on the verge of being a 65+ point, top 10 defensive center in the NHL.

I don't care if Spezza is better right now than Stepan.

You don't trade players Stepan for Spezza.

Some of your ideas are good, and creative, but you go off the deep end sometimes.

Spezza is better than Stepan ever will be, IMO.

I said it again.

You're right that Stepan MIGHT be on the verge of a 65+ point season. But Spezza is still capable of being a 80-90 point center. He scored 84 points just two seasons ago before the shortened season in which he missed almost the entire year, and last year's mess in Ottawa.

I've seen nothing to suggest to me that Stepan will ever come close to 70 points, let alone 80 or 90. At Stepan's age, Spezza had already scored 85+ points in the NHL three times. In fact at the exact age Stepan is right now, Spezza scored 90 points in 68 games.

There's no comparison.

The only thing Stepan has over Spezza is his age. At the moment he also has the fact that he's cost-controlled, but after next season Stepan is likely going to make 6+ per season as the cap keeps going up and desperate teams keep upping the market value around the league of players at every position.

I love Stepan, and in a perfect world, he'd be a career Ranger. But the thing is, I love the Rangers more than I love any one player on the Rangers. And so, if it improves the team, anyone is expendable for the right return. In this case, yes, I believe trading Stepan + prospect+pick for Jason Spezza makes us a better, stronger team with a better chance of winning the Stanley Cup right now.

Stepan may be on the verge of 65+ points, but he also may be on the verge of a down-year where he only scores 40 points. Then what?

We have two 2nd line centers. We need a 1st.

Spezza is a 1st. If it takes trading one of your 2C's and a prospect+pick to upgrade that player to a legitimate 1C star, I do it every time.

And it's not like Spezza is on his last legs about to retire at age 40. He's 31 years old. There are so many things about him that make this a great fit for us.


Spezza-Brassard-Miller-Moore
1C-2C-3C-4C

is better than

Stepan-Brassard-Miller-Moore
2C-2C-3C-4C

IMO, it's worth it. You are certainly free to disagree, but the reasons you gave aren't really accurate / relevant IMO.


Stepan was a 2nd round pick for a reason. Spezza was a 2nd OVERALL pick for a reason.

LIke I said, I love Stepan, but I love the Rangers more, and this move would give us a better chance at hoisting the Stanley Cup 11 months from now and in the years to come.