Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread II ‎

[The Sweetness]

And this is where my Staal for ROR proposal come in. Then move Brassard + Dorsett + 2015 2nd for Yandle.

Kreider - ROR - Nash
Hagelin - Stepan - MSL
Poo - Miller - Zucc
Winnik - D. Moore - Fast
Carcillo

McD - Girardi
Yandle - Stralman
J. Moore - Klein
Diaz

Comes close to fitting under the cap but I did the math in my head.

Why would Phoenix trade Yandle for that package?

If they want to move him they'll have a much more attractive centerpiece coming back than Brassard.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Yeah no way that gets us Yandle

 

[Tawnos]

Honestly, if Brassard is looking at a contract over 4.5 mill, he should be traded. That's what smart teams do. They limit the amount of players that they're overpaying. 4.5-5 for a 3rd line center. Good god.

The real problem is that people view him as a 3rd line C. In the last 4 years he has ranked 40th, 54th, 37th, 48th in points among centers. Those are pretty firmly 2C numbers. In that span, he averaged 48 points per 82 games.

Other comparable centers making between 4.5-5 are:

Sam Gagner, $4.8m, avg 51 points per 82 6 seasons leading to new contract
Bryan Little, $4.7m, avg 49 points per 82 5 seasons lead
David Backes, $4.5m, avg 51 points per 82 4 seasons lead
Thomas Fleischman, $4.5m, avg 46 points per 82 4 seasons lead
Brooks Laich, $4.5m, avg 50 points per 82 4 seasons lead


You also have to add in cap inflation. $4.5m is a smaller % of cap than those guys saw. If the Rangers can't afford to give him that, it's one thing. If I were Brassard I'd be looking at a 1-3 year deal in that case. Otherwise, he's worth that cap hit.

Also, this is why Brassard should be our 2C next year anyway. Can this team afford to have $15m tied up in 3 centers and maintain the strength of the team, which is defense?

 

[Ola]

I don't think the time to a make many of these deals are now. Wait till the deadline.

Would still pull some strings for Thornton though. His contract has yet to start. If Jumbo started pushing for something, it really puts Wilson in a tough situation.

 

[TheTakedown]

I want to say that even a FEW of these players will probably take small pay cuts to stay... we're not a ****ing bottom feeder... we just went to the STANLEY CUP FINALS.... quite frnakly, there SHOULD be free agents knocking on our door and offering their services. We're a good team, and players want to play on good teams...

Though individually some of our RFA's and and especially our UFA's have some leverage, we're also forgetting that as the organization of the NYR, we ALSO have some leverage... we just went to a cup final....

 

[TheTakedown]

The real problem is that people view him as a 3rd line C. In the last 4 years he has ranked 40th, 54th, 37th, 48th in points among centers. Those are pretty firmly 2C numbers. In that span, he averaged 48 points per 82 games.

Other comparable centers making between 4.5-5 are:

Sam Gagner, $4.8m, avg 51 points per 82 6 seasons leading to new contract
Bryan Little, $4.7m, avg 49 points per 82 5 seasons lead
David Backes, $4.5m, avg 51 points per 82 4 seasons lead
Thomas Fleischman, $4.5m, avg 46 points per 82 4 seasons lead
Brooks Laich, $4.5m, avg 50 points per 82 4 seasons lead


You also have to add in cap inflation. $4.5m is a smaller % of cap than those guys saw. If the Rangers can't afford to give him that, it's one thing. If I were Brassard I'd be looking at a 1-3 year deal in that case. Otherwise, he's worth that cap hit.

Also, this is why Brassard should be our 2C next year anyway. Can this team afford to have $15m tied up in 3 centers and maintain the strength of the team, which is defense?

I never actually realized that... it makes finding a 3C much easier at that point

 

[GAGLine]

That is one of the worst trades i've seen on here.

Care to elaborate?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

The real problem is that people view him as a 3rd line C. In the last 4 years he has ranked 40th, 54th, 37th, 48th in points among centers. Those are pretty firmly 2C numbers. In that span, he averaged 48 points per 82 games.

Other comparable centers making between 4.5-5 are:

Sam Gagner, $4.8m, avg 51 points per 82 6 seasons leading to new contract
Bryan Little, $4.7m, avg 49 points per 82 5 seasons lead
David Backes, $4.5m, avg 51 points per 82 4 seasons lead
Thomas Fleischman, $4.5m, avg 46 points per 82 4 seasons lead
Brooks Laich, $4.5m, avg 50 points per 82 4 seasons lead


You also have to add in cap inflation. $4.5m is a smaller % of cap than those guys saw. If the Rangers can't afford to give him that, it's one thing. If I were Brassard I'd be looking at a 1-3 year deal in that case. Otherwise, he's worth that cap hit.

Also, this is why Brassard should be our 2C next year anyway. Can this team afford to have $15m tied up in 3 centers and maintain the strength of the team, which is defense?

IMO that's the problem, in today's NHL u win with offense and talent.. and depth down the middle. Sacrifice some D for an improved offense and maybe just maybe Hank won't have to be the majority of the reason we make a run.. I will say though if the center is not there THIS year no need to force it, were still a young team.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/b...kely-to-stay-with-the-centers-that-they-have/

Risky. If they have Stanley Cup aspirations that is a risky move.

I'd love for Miller to be ready for full-time 3rd line center duties, but, if we are looking to contend and we do not make improvements, no matter how slight, it's not likely to get us back to the Final.

Miller can play the wing, but we need to upgrade the middle. Add some size.

It's apparent the big names are too costly. Target a player like Colin Wilson. Or look at Mikhail Grabovski.

No upgrade is unwise.

 

[Raspewtin]

I wonder if Brassard+Dorsett would get you Yandle.

Of course it wouldn't.

 

[Raspewtin]

Mikhail Grabovski kind of intrigues me. Quick player with a very underrated two way game. He didn't even have a tremendous offensive year and Caps fans loved him.

If we could get him at a good price I'd love to have him.

 

[haveandare]

http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/b...kely-to-stay-with-the-centers-that-they-have/

Risky. If they have Stanley Cup aspirations that is a risky move.

I'd love for Miller to be ready for full-time 3rd line center duties, but, if we are looking to contend and we do not make improvements, no matter how slight, it's not likely to get us back to the Final.

Miller can play the wing, but we need to upgrade the middle. Add some size.

It's apparent the big names are too costly. Target a player like Colin Wilson. Or look at Mikhail Grabovski.

No upgrade is unwise.

I think this is actually the way to go, assuming that they're all confident in Miller's ability to make the jump.

The cap is too tight to be signing UFA centers, and the team has too few assets to make a real trade without blowing a hole in the D.

I want to see if Miller can stick. If he can, that solves an awful lot of problems and provides a ton of cap space going forward.

 

[Savant]

Re: Brooks article

I think they start they season with Miller at 3C, try it out, and if it doesn't work then make a move.

I am curious what it means for the Zuccarello line going forward. If Brassard goes up to 2C and takes MZA and Pouliot with him (assuming they return) do either Nash or MSL go to line 3? I think not. Maybe an unexpected trade is on the horizon for one of their RWs.

 

[rangers1314]

I wouldn't be shocked to see Lindberg be given every opportunity to win the #3 center job.

 

[Zil]

I'm starting to think the Rangers are depending on kids to make a surprise leap in order to stay in contention. If they lose Stralman and basically stand pat everywhere else this team is not a legit contender anymore. I can't get my head around the idea that they're not looking to get creative at all. I wonder if that's just Brooks blowing smoke because he hasn't actually heard anything.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

Re: Brooks article

I think they start they season with Miller at 3C, try it out, and if it doesn't work then make a move.

I am curious what it means for the Zuccarello line going forward. If Brassard goes up to 2C and takes MZA and Pouliot with him (assuming they return) do either Nash or MSL go to line 3? I think not. Maybe an unexpected trade is on the horizon for one of their RWs.

I think the top 2 lines stay intact and you have Miller/Lindberg centering St. Louis and Hagelin. Vignault rolls his lines, not much difference in ice time between lines 2 and 3, plus St. Louis will get a lot of PP time.

 

[haveandare]

I'm starting to think the Rangers are depending on kids to make a surprise leap in order to stay in contention. If they lose Stralman and basically stand pat everywhere else this team is not a legit contender anymore. I can't get my head around the idea that they're not looking to get creative at all. I wonder if that's just Brooks blowing smoke because he hasn't actually heard anything.

Exactly.

They have to depend on kids in some big role next year if they want to save what they've built here. It's just the only way it's going to be possible.

I say resign Stralman, insert Miller, keep everyone minus maybe Boyle if he's really set on "doing more." Make a hard decision about Staal as the year progresses.

 

[silverfish]

I'm starting to think the Rangers are depending on kids to make a surprise leap in order to stay in contention. If they lose Stralman and basically stand pat everywhere else this team is not a legit contender anymore. I can't get my head around the idea that they're not looking to get creative at all. I wonder if that's just Brooks blowing smoke because he hasn't actually heard anything.

If they're going with kids, there's no reason to lose Stralman.

Replace Shawn Thornton with any veteran extra skater. Just threw him there because he was the first name to pop in my head. As usual, I forgot to swap McD's and G's sides on defense, whoops.

I do agree that this isn't near the roster we'll see come this season. I think Sather will get plenty creative in filling it out. Doesn't mean the Rangers aren't hoping that Miller finally steps up and snags his spot on the roster. But if the plan is to go with the kids, then there is no reason to let Stralman walk, unless he's commanding something like $4.8 million + on a four or five year deal. Then you let him walk.

 

[RangersChamps2417]

I'm starting to think the Rangers are depending on kids to make a surprise leap in order to stay in contention. If they lose Stralman and basically stand pat everywhere else this team is not a legit contender anymore. I can't get my head around the idea that they're not looking to get creative at all. I wonder if that's just Brooks blowing smoke because he hasn't actually heard anything.

Then again, that's sports though. You build with young players and supplement with FA. Richards was a stop gap. He filled a role that didn't have an organizational answer. However, once Stepan improved enough, he replaced Brad at the top. Now, the hope is Miller or Lindberg can replace Richards as a bottom 6 center.

I think Miller can easily be a 20 Goal scorer next season, especially if he is given room to make mistakes and does end up playing with MSL and Hags. He'll also be a much better skater than Richards, which shouldn't be too hard.

In the end, your biggest improvements come from within in sports, whether that's from Miller stepping up, Kreider taking a big step, etc.

 

[silverfish]

Then again, that's sports though. You build with young players and supplement with FA. Richards was a stop gap. He filled a role that didn't have an organizational answer. However, once Stepan improved enough, he replaced Brad at the top. Now, the hope is Miller or Lindberg can replace Richards as a bottom 6 center.

I think Miller can easily be a 20 Goal scorer next season, especially if he is given room to make mistakes and does end up playing with MSL and Hags. He'll also be a much better skater than Richards, which shouldn't be too hard.

In the end, your biggest improvements come from within in sports, whether that's from Miller stepping up, Kreider taking a big step, etc.

Oh. My. God.

 

[GAGLine]

http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/b...kely-to-stay-with-the-centers-that-they-have/

Risky. If they have Stanley Cup aspirations that is a risky move.

I'd love for Miller to be ready for full-time 3rd line center duties, but, if we are looking to contend and we do not make improvements, no matter how slight, it's not likely to get us back to the Final.

Miller can play the wing, but we need to upgrade the middle. Add some size.

It's apparent the big names are too costly. Target a player like Colin Wilson. Or look at Mikhail Grabovski.

No upgrade is unwise.

There's no reason we have to add a center between now and the start the season. This team is good enough to make the playoffs as is if we re-sign everyone. If we still need help come the deadline, we can make a deal then.

 

[Ail]

Then again, that's sports though. You build with young players and supplement with FA. Richards was a stop gap. He filled a role that didn't have an organizational answer. However, once Stepan improved enough, he replaced Brad at the top. Now, the hope is Miller or Lindberg can replace Richards as a bottom 6 center.

I think Miller can easily be a 20 Goal scorer next season, especially if he is given room to make mistakes and does end up playing with MSL and Hags. He'll also be a much better skater than Richards, which shouldn't be too hard.

In the end, your biggest improvements come from within in sports, whether that's from Miller stepping up, Kreider taking a big step, etc.

Twenty goals is unrealistic for Miller, however if he is going to replace Richards, and make this team at least what it was last year, he will need to find a way to contribute offensively. That's also with others stepping up their game too. The entire idea of swapping Miller with Richards and hoping this team remains as good, or better, is unrealistic itself, but the other options are really not much better.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I think the best route would be to either not break the bank and try to keep together as much of the same team as possible. Slotting Miller at center makes us bigger down the middle, and it allows him to open up space for other players.

Or option B would be to make some smart moves (mostly proposed by Gorton) to continue to build this team towards a speedy, puck possession team. It won't be easy, but the right players are out there, and they don't always need to be big name players.

I like the Yandle idea, but I can see someone like Philly overpaying with some of their good young propsects to get him.

 

[GAGLine]

Oh. My. God.

I wouldn't say easily 20 goals, but it's certainly a possibility. The kid was a point per game player in the AHL this year at age 20.

 

[Fugazy]

Mikhail Grabovski kind of intrigues me. Quick player with a very underrated two way game. He didn't even have a tremendous offensive year and Caps fans loved him.

If we could get him at a good price I'd love to have him.

I think he would be a good fit and a good pickup for this team. Especially if a deal for ROR or another center doesn't end up happening.