2014 NHL Entry Draft Part 3

[Mr. Hab]

Ho-Sang for me (over Goldobin or Sherbak), unless...there is absolutely no KHL threat (but unlikely).

I know what bigtimehockeyfan999 means...and I don't think it's racism or xenophobia...it's just the reality of the Russian factor (KHL? NHL? KHL?, etc,etc). I want us to draft a Canadian hockey player (ex: Price, Subban) or American (ex: McDonagh, Pacioretty), but in the end...if you have a player from Russia or Slovenia or wherever who will/can guarantee that we won't lose him to the KHL...sign me up!! Thing is...not many scouts saw a Subban, Price, McDonagh leaving for the KHL if he didn't get his way. Can't say the same thing about some/many Russian players and it's his right to leave for the KHL, just like it's a scout's right to pass up on him during the draft IF he really feels like the KHL is a legit threat. It's not about all European players (at least not for me), it's mostly about Russian players, KHL,etc ('cause it does happen...that's the problem...it does happen that a Russian player goes straight to the KHL or leaves after a few seasons...that's the problem).

I don't want to be stressed out over this (our 1st rnd pick...will he stay here or bolt for the KHL? very stressful...and don't want to lose a 1st or 2nd or 3rd rnd pick to the KHL...no way!).

Scouts never say ''Swedish factor''...''Slovenian factor''...''Finnish factor'',etc,etc...instead it's the ''Russian factor'' that's a main concern ('cause it's a reality...'cause it happens).

In a nutshell:
this is not just about Russian players...it's about the KHL and we all know it just so happens that Russian players have been known to leave (ex: New Jersey gave up a lot to sign Ilya Kovalchuk...he had what? 6-7 yrs left on his contract but opted to bolt for the KHL...it's his right, good for him, but not good for New Jersey...... I don't want this to happen to us).

And, bigtimehockeyfan999 is not the only one with this concern...many scouts have lowered Goldobin or Sherbak on their lists...not because they're racist or xenophobic but because of the reality of the Russian factor and the KHL (great league and a Russian player has the right to want to be in the KHL if he wants to be,etc,etc, imo...the NHL is the no.1 hockey league in the world but that's just my opinion!).

Now that said/written...IF Goldobin or Sherbak can somehow guarantee that they won't leave for the KHL when things aren't going well, well...sign me up for Goldobin or Sherbak IF, only IF there is no KHL threat, but...let's face it...the threat will be there as long as the KHL will be there.

I'd take Bleakley, Milano, Ho-Sang, or Lemieux OVER Goldobin or Sherbak. Unless...Timmins believes Goldobin/Sherbak are winners and won't leave for the KHL. It's the KHL that worries me, not the fact that a player has Russian blood.

I'd marry a sweet, beautiful Russian woman any day if she'll have me!! (but that's not what this is about! this is about the legit, realistic KHL threat.

 

[ginomini]

I think a nice option would be trading with NYI

pick 26 + 7th rounder 2014

Vs

Pick 35 + pick 54 + 3rd rounder 2015

NYI seems to really want Demko and he might be gone at 35 so this trade would be good for them and we could pick let's say Dougherty at 35 and Donato or Wallman at 54 even maybe cornel or macinnis somewhere

 

[Mr. Hab]

I dont see HoSang as a risk for 26th if he dropped i would take him without thinking twice ... Top skater in this years draft with amazing hands

This (my opinion) was just based on THN Prospects' magazine...what some NHL scouts wrote about Ho-Sang.

Some scouts have said Ho-Sang may end up a Robbie Schremp (super talented bust) or a Kadri...that's the risk.

And that's a risk I'd be willing to take at 26th! (especially that there is almost no KHL threat, unless Ho-Sang ends up a major bust). I just added the word ''risky'' to Ho-Sang but maybe you can add that word to many after the 15th-20th pick! (especially players with a KHL threat/factor attached to their CV).

Someone (MaxLacoste) here mentioned Ho-Sang is sort of a forward version of Subban in that some scouts feel he's too risky, too one dimensional (plus work ethic/off-ice concerns), but for me...you had me at Subban!!

I hope Ho-Sang is there when we select.
(Bleakley, Ho-Sang, or B.Lemieux for me.... I just hope one of them will be available at 26th).

I also like Marcus Pettersson (dman) IF Timmins feels that his weight gain won't be a problem, but some scouts feel it's a big concern since he's 165lbs at 6'3 (ouch! really needs to gain 30lbs). So...major risk? but mostly because of weight gain, other than that...scouts say he has all the tools to be a great dman.

When I heard people talking about Ho-Sang natural instincts, I see him as a foward version of PK Subban. At the same age, people were saying that Subban would be a power play specialist, that he's not enough concerned about defense, that he's a wild gun, etc. Look at him now. Yes, there is some concern about Ho-Sang work ethic and attitude. BUT, PK and Josh share a strengh: Compete level. Ho-Sang may lack off ice work ethic, but like Subban, he hates to lose. And sometimes, when someone hate to lose, he do the thing to win. Just like Subban did. He learn to play defense. He learn when to attack when not to.

IMO, compete level is way more important than work ethic for a teenager. We all know that teenager are lazy. But some are winners. I think Ho-Sang is the kind of player who will do the thing he needs to do to win. Reports say that he change the way he play this year in order to win. He has the skill, the skating, the offensive awareness, the instinct and a high compete level. That's enough for a late 1st round pick. The kind of pick who will blossom.

Great post/info.
If this ends up all true...I'd be so ecstatic if we drafted Ho-Sang!!!!
(and I'd take a 50pts forward in regular season IF he becomes a playoff warrior OVER a 70pts regular season forward who disappears during playoffs... Timmins has to find a winner, ex: PK Subban).

 

[Vi Nc E x13x]

This (my opinion) was just based on THN Prospects' magazine...what some NHL scouts wrote about Ho-Sang.

Some scouts have said Ho-Sang may end up a Robbie Schremp (super talented bust) or a Kadri...that's the risk.

And that's a risk I'd be willing to take at 26th! (especially that there is almost no KHL threat, unless Ho-Sang ends up a major bust). I just added the word ''risky'' to Ho-Sang but maybe you can add that word to many after the 15th-20th pick! (especially players with a KHL threat/factor attached to their CV).

Someone here mentioned Ho-Sang is sort of a forward version of Subban in that some scouts feel he's too risky, too one dimensional (plus work ethic/off-ice concerns), but for me...you had me at Subban!!

I hope Ho-Sang is there when we select.
(Bleakley, Ho-Sang, or B.Lemieux for me.... I just hope one of them will be available at 26th).

I also like Marcus Pettersson (dman) IF Timmins feels that his weight gain won't be a problem, but some scouts feel it's a big concern since he's 165lbs and 6'3. So...major risk? but mostly because of weight gain, other than that...scouts say he has all the tools to be a great dman.

lol we feel the same way I believe his skating will separate him from becoming like schremp (who was an average skater)

 

[Vi Nc E x13x]

Lmao you guys have to watch Draft propsects celebrity crushes ... HoSang's is funny.

 

[Em Ancien]

Good post indeed. I have really nothing against him. We would pick him and while tons of people would be crying over it, I will be REALLY interested to see how he does and will follow him for sure. I see him and he reminds me of Athanasiou. Now, it's not that much of a great thing for me as I had him as a ND.....but he's about to make me eat some crow. So if he can do it, Ho-Sang might be even better. So have nothing against the kid. Just that I prefer Goldobin offensive instincts and his already overall game. In reality, it will probably be neither. But I'd have no problem with any of those 2.

I think it's unquestionable at this point in time to see as Ho-Sang being a better prospect entering the draft. Athanasiou was already dropping at this time of the year back then, whereas Ho-Sang seems to at least have stabilized around the late first.

He's also been a lot more productive and the explosion he has with the puck on his stick is really amazing. I'd be more than happy to pick him up.

 

[bigtimehockeyfan999*]

Ho-Sang for me (over Goldobin or Sherbak), unless...there is absolutely no KHL threat (but unlikely).

I know what bigtimehockeyfan999 means...and I don't think it's racism or xenophobia...it's just the reality of the Russian factor (KHL? NHL? KHL?, etc,etc). I want us to draft a Canadian hockey player (ex: Price, Subban) or American (ex: McDonagh, Pacioretty), but in the end...if you have a player from Russia or Slovenia or wherever who will/can guarantee that we won't lose him to the KHL...sign me up!! Thing is...not many scouts saw a Subban, Price, McDonagh leaving for the KHL if he didn't get his way. Can't say the same thing about some/many Russian players and it's his right to leave for the KHL, just like it's a scout's right to pass up on him during the draft IF he really feels like the KHL is a legit threat. It's not about all European players (at least not for me), it's mostly about Russian players, KHL,etc ('cause it does happen...that's the problem...it does happen that a Russian player goes straight to the KHL or leaves after a few seasons...that's the problem).

I don't want to be stressed out over this (our 1st rnd pick...will he stay here or bolt for the KHL? very stressful...and don't want to lose a 1st or 2nd or 3rd rnd pick to the KHL...no way!).

Scouts never say ''Swedish factor''...''Slovenian factor''...''Finnish factor'',etc,etc...instead it's the ''Russian factor'' that's a main concern ('cause it's a reality...'cause it happens).

In a nutshell:
this is not just about Russian players...it's about the KHL and we all know it just so happens that Russian players have been known to leave (ex: New Jersey gave up a lot to sign Ilya Kovalchuk...he had what? 6-7 yrs left on his contract but opted to bolt for the KHL...it's his right, good for him, but not good for New Jersey...... I don't want this to happen to us).

And, bigtimehockeyfan999 is not the only one with this concern...many scouts have lowered Goldobin or Sherbak on their lists...not because they're racist or xenophobic but because of the reality of the Russian factor and the KHL (great league and a Russian player has the right to want to be in the KHL if he wants to be,etc,etc, imo...the NHL is the no.1 hockey league in the world but that's just my opinion!).

Now that said/written...IF Goldobin or Sherbak can somehow guarantee that they won't leave for the KHL when things aren't going well, well...sign me up for Goldobin or Sherbak IF, only IF there is no KHL threat, but...let's face it...the threat will be there as long as the KHL will be there.

I'd take Bleakley, Milano, Ho-Sang, or Lemieux OVER Goldobin or Sherbak. Unless...Timmins believes Goldobin/Sherbak are winners and won't leave for the KHL. It's the KHL that worries me, not the fact that a player has Russian blood.

I'd marry a sweet, beautiful Russian woman any day if she'll have me!! (but that's not what this is about! this is about the legit, realistic KHL threat.

very good post..thank you for understanding my stance

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Lmao you guys have to watch Draft propsects celebrity crushes ... HoSang's is funny.

It made me like Brendan Lemieux more actually

 

[Vi Nc E x13x]

It made me like Brendan Lemieux more actually

lol his was great ... I love these videos

 

[Mr. Hab]

very good post..thank you for understanding my stance

Cheers!!

And one more thing for everyone here...
If some here want to argue about the ''Russian factor'' (KHL major red flag) they'll have to argue with many NHL scouts since they're the ones who are writing about it, saying it...not sure if everyone is labeling them racists! Not that everyone here has to agree with every scouts' opinions but I like to listen to scouts, that's for sure.

Goldobin:
the word moody came up with some scouts when describing his effort/results,etc. Talent/skill...yes for sure, but comes with the huge KHL red flag, no doubt. Scouts are the ones saying this ,not me (but I'm not disagreeing!).

Sherbak:
one scout wrote that he was the best forward at the prospects' tournament, so the skill/talent/upside is there (great!), but again...playoffs' player? heart? that strong desire to win a CUP...at all costs? is it really there????? KHL or NHL? (and if NHL...for how long? etc,etc).


IF Timmins' drafts Goldobin or Sherbak...I'll trust him, but I will no doubt worry about that strong desire for a CUP (is it there? CUP hungry?), and of course the legit/realistic KHL factor,etc,etc...

I only want the best for our Habs...I don't have time for racism, just want our Habs to pick the player who can help our Habs go all the way.
Goldobin? Sherbak? Lemieux? (American/Canadian/Quebecois), Bleakley? Ho-Sang? I'm taking the Canadians/Americans. Unless someone tells me Goldobin or Sherbak can be a Datsyuk for us!!, but didn't read that anywhere! or else they'd both go top 2-3, but then again...the Russian/KHL/moody/enigmatic factor is what made many scouts (not me!) drop both of them on their lists,etc,etc.

And if someone (me for instance!) wanted to write that (Canadians or Americans) like Dustin Brown, Doughty, Toews, P.Kane, PK Subban, Price,etc,etc, give it their all for the chance of a CUP VS some (not all!) Russian players...I'd agree. Not hatred just observation and analysis of many players. Kopitar is Slovenian...and I'd take him anyday, but for this upcoming draft...I'd go for a Canadian or American...less stress, less worrying about the KHL factor, and more but I can't go on about it since it might sound racist!

And for the record...I love the fact that the NHL is a melting pot of nationalities 'cause I love watching different styles (Russian style, Swedish style,etc). The NHL would be so boring if it were filled with only Canadians and Americans!! But...doesn't stop the KHL factor or the CUP at all costs' factor (which I look for in a player...after all we have to keep chasing that 25th Cup!!).

lol we feel the same way I believe Ho-Sang's skating will separate him from becoming like Robbie Schremp (who was an average skater)

Thanks to a lot of you Hab fans...I'm learning more and more about prospects we should select (or stay away from).

Maybe the scout wanted to say...Ho-Sang will be a Mason Raymond (super fast) or a Kadri!! (then again...Ho-Sang probably has way more skill/talent vs Raymond, not just super speed).

I love the fact that Ho-Sang's skating is great/fast (knew about it from what I've read about him) and love his offensive upside (lots of it).
Timmins will know way more since he probably already interviewed Ho-Sang or will soon check for CHaracter, and other ''winner'' characteristics that Timmins will be looking for before the Draft decisions.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Cheers!!

And one more thing for everyone here...
If some here want to argue about the ''Russian factor'' (KHL major red flag) they'll have to argue with many NHL scouts since they're the ones who are writing about it, saying it...not sure if everyone is labeling them racists! Not that everyone here has to agree with every scouts' opinions but I like to listen to scouts, that's for sure.

Goldobin:
the word moody came up with some scouts when describing his effort/results,etc. Talent/skill...yes for sure, but comes with the huge KHL red flag, no doubt. Scouts are the ones saying this ,not me (but I'm not disagreeing!).

Sherbak:
one scout wrote that he was the best forward at the prospects' tournament, so the skill/talent/upside is there (great!), but again...playoffs' player? heart? that strong desire to win a CUP...at all costs? is it really there????? KHL or NHL? (and if NHL...for how long? etc,etc).


IF Timmins' drafts Goldobin or Sherbak...I'll trust him, but I will no doubt worry about that strong desire for a CUP (is it there? CUP hungry?), and of course the legit/realistic KHL factor,etc,etc...

I only want the best for our Habs...I don't have time for racism, just want our Habs to pick the player who can help our Habs go all the way.
Goldobin? Sherbak? Lemieux? (American/Canadian/Quebecois), Bleakley? Ho-Sang? I'm taking the Canadians/Americans. Unless someone tells me Goldobin or Sherbak can be a Datsyuk for us!!, but didn't read that anywhere! or else they'd both go top 2-3, but then again...the Russian/KHL/moody/enigmatic factor is what made many scouts (not me!) drop both of them on their lists,etc,etc.

And if someone (me for instance!) wanted to write that (Canadians or Americans) like Dustin Brown, Doughty, Toews, P.Kane, PK Subban, Price,etc,etc, give it their all for the chance of a CUP VS some (not all!) Russian players...I'd agree. Not hatred just observation and analysis of many players. Kopitar is Slovenian...and I'd take him anyday, but for this upcoming draft...I'd go for a Canadian or American...less stress, less worrying about the KHL factor, and more but I can't go on about it since it might sound racist!

And for the record...I love the fact that the NHL is a melting pot of nationalities 'cause I love watching different styles (Russian style, Swedish style,etc). The NHL would be so boring if it were filled with only Canadians and Americans!! But...doesn't stop the KHL factor or the CUP at all costs' factor (which I look for in a player...after all we have to keep chasing that 25th Cup!!).





Thanks to a lot of you Hab fans...I'm learning more and more about prospects we should select (or stay away from).

Maybe the scout wanted to say...Ho-Sang will be a Mason Raymond (super fast) or a Kadri!! (then again...Ho-Sang probably has way more skill/talent vs Raymond, not just super speed).

I love the fact that Ho-Sang's skating is great/fast (knew about it from what I've read about him) and love his offensive upside (lots of it).
Timmins will know way more since he probably already interviewed Ho-Sang or will soon check for CHaracter, and other ''winner'' characteristics that Timmins will be looking for before the Draft decisions.

Look, I am not suggesting I know anything about a players' character, but that stuff you wrote about Scherbak sounds baseless to me. Every scouting report I've heard seems to like the kid's grit and compete level, as well as his willingness to learn and improve his game.

 

[TT1]

my current top 30:

1.Florida Panthers: Sam Reinhart
2. Buffalo Sabres: Sam Bennett
3. Edmonton Oilers: Aaron Ekblad
4. Calgary Flames: Leon Draisaitl
5. New York Islanders: Michael Dal Colle
6. Vancouver Canucks: William Nylander
7. Carolina Hurricanes: Nick Ritchie
8. Toronto Maple Leafs: Nikolaj Ehlers
9. Winnipeg Jets: Jake Virtanen
10. Anaheim Ducks (from Ottawa): Haydn Fleury
11. Nashville Predators: Brendan Perlini
12. Arizona Coyotes: Kevin Fiala
13. Washington Capitals: Adrian Kempe
14. Dallas Stars: Kasperi Kapanen
15. Detroit Red Wings: Ivan Barbashev
16. Columbus Blue Jackets: Robby Fabbri
17. Philadelphia Flyers: Dylan Larkin
18. Minnesota Wild: Jared McCann
19. Tampa Bay Lightning: Alex Tuch
20. San Jose Sharks: Jakub Vrana
21. St. Louis Blues: Nikita Scherbak
22. Pittsburgh Penguins: Sonny Milano
23. Colorado Avalanche: Travis Sanheim
24. Anaheim Ducks: Nick Schmaltz
25. Boston Bruins: Conner Bleackley
26. Montreal Canadians: David Pastrnak
27. Chicago Blackhawks: Thatcher Demko
28. Tampa Bay(from Rangers): Julius Honka
29. Los Angeles Kings: Ryan Donato
30. New Jersey Devils: Josh Ho-Sang

 

[Wats]

Wonder how people would change their player evaluation if Ho-Sang had a Russian name.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-...snets-exclusive-2014-nhl-draft-rankings-1-10/

The final part of the sportsnet ranking, numbers 10 to 1. The usual suspects are there, although they put Ritchie at the 3rd spot in front of Draisaitl and Reinhart ( which is actually quite possible I think, I'm hearing more and more rumblings that some scouts really see Ritchie as a top 3 talent in this draft)

 

[TT1]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-...snets-exclusive-2014-nhl-draft-rankings-1-10/

The final part of the sportsnet ranking, numbers 10 to 1. The usual suspects are there, although they put Ritchie at the 3rd spot in front of Draisaitl and Reinhart ( which is actually quite possible I think, I'm hearing more and more rumblings that some scouts really see Ritchie as a top 3 talent in this draft)

0 chance that happens lol, and reinhart isnt gonna fall to #5

 

[Analyzer*]

Wonder how people would change their player evaluation if Ho-Sang had a Russian name.

Hosangov ?

Russian, American, Canadian, Finnish. Guy sounds like a bum.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

0 chance that happens lol, and reinhart isnt gonna fall to #5

Oh I don't EXPECT it will mind you but I wouldn't be surprised if it does let me put it this way

 

[bigtimehockeyfan999*]

I didnt see this video until now...wow....now im on the ho-sang train **** the undersized stature...this guy is talent as ****!c

 

[bigtimehockeyfan999*]

I didnt see this video until now...wow....now im on the ho-sang train **** the undersized stature...this guy is talent as ****!c

i misspelled the F word mods...and cant edit...it was not for the purpose of cheating the system/.....please dont infraction me for an honest mistake

 

[Jabba11]

Do we have any chances of picking Jake Virtanen?

 

[Hope Of Glory]

Do we have any chances of picking Jake Virtanen?

Unless we somehow get a top 10 pick, not at all.

 

[overlords]

Unless we somehow get a top 10 pick, not at all.

Thought virtanen was slipping in some of the more recent rankings. Not outside the top 20, mind you, but I've seen him outside the top 10 a few times at least.

 

[Ginu]

i misspelled the F word mods...and cant edit...it was not for the purpose of cheating the system/.....please dont infraction me for an honest mistake

You should be banished from hfboards. Unacceptable

 

[MaxLacoste]

This (my opinion) was just based on THN Prospects' magazine...what some NHL scouts wrote about Ho-Sang.

Some scouts have said Ho-Sang may end up a Robbie Schremp (super talented bust) or a Kadri...that's the risk.

And that's a risk I'd be willing to take at 26th! (especially that there is almost no KHL threat, unless Ho-Sang ends up a major bust). I just added the word ''risky'' to Ho-Sang but maybe you can add that word to many after the 15th-20th pick! (especially players with a KHL threat/factor attached to their CV).

Someone (MaxLacoste) here mentioned Ho-Sang is sort of a forward version of Subban in that some scouts feel he's too risky, too one dimensional (plus work ethic/off-ice concerns), but for me...you had me at Subban!!

I hope Ho-Sang is there when we select.
(Bleakley, Ho-Sang, or B.Lemieux for me.... I just hope one of them will be available at 26th).

I also like Marcus Pettersson (dman) IF Timmins feels that his weight gain won't be a problem, but some scouts feel it's a big concern since he's 165lbs at 6'3 (ouch! really needs to gain 30lbs). So...major risk? but mostly because of weight gain, other than that...scouts say he has all the tools to be a great dman.


Great post/info.
If this ends up all true...I'd be so ecstatic if we drafted Ho-Sang!!!!
(and I'd take a 50pts forward in regular season IF he becomes a playoff warrior OVER a 70pts regular season forward who disappears during playoffs... Timmins has to find a winner, ex: PK Subban).

I can't be sure if Ho-Sang will blossom in the NHL, but I think people should not read to much into work ethic or attitude problems IF the kid wants to win. It's not true that you can't learn or get work ethic. Work ethic comes with motivation. Winning, being the best player, being a high draft, getting money are all (good/bad) motivation. In 2012, Yakupov and Galchenyuk were both seen as potential 1st overall pick. Prior to the draft, Yakupov said in a lot of interview that he wanted to be 1st overall pick, that nobody wants to be 2nd, etc. Galchenyuk said in his combine interview that he wanted to be the best player in the NHL. They both had good motivation to work hard in their draft year. But one motivation make you 1st overall pick, the other push you your entire career. One motivation come from others, one motivation come from you.

Ho-Sang look like the type of guy who want to be the best and win. Just like Subban. And just like Subban, Ho-Sang has the thing you can't teach (agility, skating, hands instinct). Just teach him the rest and you have a beast. I'm not saying that he's better than Goldobin, but when I heard that a player changed the way he plays to help his team, it tell a lot on the kid. Ho-Sang is my guy for this draft (at 26).

 

[bigtimehockeyfan999*]

I can't be sure if Ho-Sang will blossom in the NHL, but I think people should not read to much into work ethic or attitude problems IF the kid wants to win. It's not true that you can't learn or get work ethic. Work ethic comes with motivation. Winning, being the best player, being a high draft, getting money are all (good/bad) motivation. In 2012, Yakupov and Galchenyuk were both seen as potential 1st overall pick. Prior to the draft, Yakupov said in a lot of interview that he wanted to be 1st overall pick, that nobody wants to be 2nd, etc. Galchenyuk said in his combine interview that he wanted to be the best player in the NHL. They both had good motivation to work hard in their draft year. But one motivation make you 1st overall pick, the other push you your entire career. One motivation come from others, one motivation come from you.

Ho-Sang look like the type of guy who want to be the best and win. Just like Subban. And just like Subban, Ho-Sang has the thing you can't teach (agility, skating, hands instinct). Just teach him the rest and you have a beast. I'm not saying that he's better than Goldobin, but when I heard that a player changed the way he plays to help his team, it tell a lot on the kid. Ho-Sang is my guy for this draft (at 26).

i've been watching video of chim on here alot tonight and he;s now at the top of my wishlist....the skill is unbelieveble...i think down the road people are gonna look back at thcis draft and say...how in the name cof the lord jesus christ did ho-sang go there. this guy is the real mccoy