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Prospect Info: 2014 NHL Draft / Pick #118 - Igor Shestyorkin (G) - Part III

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nyr2k2 said:
The KHL does appear to have its own rule book, but I can't read it because it's in Russian (and I don't think I have the tools to translate a PDF document). They may just be the IIHF's rules or be based off of them. I have no idea.

About the KHL : Kontinental Hockey League (KHL)
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Ya the KHL absolutely has it’s own rule book and doesnt use the IIHF (though like most hockey rule books they are similar). If they didnt have their own rule book they wouldnt be able to adjust rules over the seasons.
 
Bump up. SKA started second round against Loko with a 1:0 win. Helberg was in the net, not Shesterkin.
 
No good.

Just saw this report (from the same source that recently mentioned the Rangers and Flyers interest in Burdasov) that Shesterkin is not happy with a two-way contract that Rangers could offer to Shesterkin (i.e. a chance to be send to Hartford) and is in the process of (or interested in) negotiating a new contract with SKA. No further details.

ELC is standard and there's nothing that could be done from that perspective, but maybe the Rangers could not offer Shesterkin informal assurances that he will not be sent to the AHL and given the situation with Lundqvist and Georgiev - it certainly is a possibility.

Russian link below.

Вратарь Шестёркин близок к продлению контракта со СКА
 
I’m souring on this kid more and more even though I knew he wouldn’t be coming here to play in Hartford he’s saying no to a standard elc. He’s proving more than happy just living off of SKA and frankly keep bearing these types of things from our broadcasters. They aren’t sold on him and I’m assuming that comes from management.

Hasn’t done anything to show he’s a big game player.

Undersized.

Can’t keep a starting job in the KHL

Has only played for the most dominant team in that league.

He’s 23 already Rangers would be fine with hank and Georgiev for the next few years. Draft Spencer Knight 31st overall and leave this kid in Russia Georgiev has passed him frankly.
 
kovazub94 said:
No good.

Just saw this report (from the same source that recently mentioned the Rangers and Flyers interest in Burdasov) that Shesterkin is not happy with a two-way contract that Rangers could offer to Shesterkin (i.e. a chance to be send to Hartford) and is in the process of (or interested in) negotiating a new contract with SKA. No further details.

ELC is standard and there's nothing that could be done from that perspective, but maybe the Rangers could not offer Shesterkin informal assurances that he will not be sent to the AHL and given the situation with Lundqvist and Georgiev - it certainly is a possibility.

Russian link below.

Вратарь Шестёркин близок к продлению контракта со СКА
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It's Sport B-O, quite some good grains of salt are needed when you're considering them as a source.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
I’m souring on this kid more and more even though I knew he wouldn’t be coming here to play in Hartford he’s saying no to a standard elc. He’s proving more than happy just living off of SKA and frankly keep bearing these types of things from our broadcasters. They aren’t sold on him and I’m assuming that comes from management.

Hasn’t done anything to show he’s a big game player.

Undersized.

Can’t keep a starting job in the KHL

Has only played for the most dominant team in that league.

He’s 23 already Rangers would be fine with hank and Georgiev for the next few years. Draft Spencer Knight 31st overall and leave this kid in Russia Georgiev has passed him frankly.
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Well this was sure an overreaction stemming from a bogus report.
 
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What is there to complain about with a two-way deal? That's what he has to take, it's not negotiable. And given the goalie situation in the next couple of years, if I'm the Rangers I wouldn't cave on any type of out clause. Play hardball.
 
kovazub94 said:
No good.

Just saw this report (from the same source that recently mentioned the Rangers and Flyers interest in Burdasov) that Shesterkin is not happy with a two-way contract that Rangers could offer to Shesterkin (i.e. a chance to be send to Hartford) and is in the process of (or interested in) negotiating a new contract with SKA. No further details.

ELC is standard and there's nothing that could be done from that perspective, but maybe the Rangers could not offer Shesterkin informal assurances that he will not be sent to the AHL and given the situation with Lundqvist and Georgiev - it certainly is a possibility.

Russian link below.

Вратарь Шестёркин близок к продлению контракта со СКА
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He could be sent to Hartford regardless of whether the contract would be 1-way or 2-way, the only difference would be how much he is paid while there....
 
nyr2k2 said:
What is there to complain about with a two-way deal? That's what he has to take, it's not negotiable. And given the goalie situation in the next couple of years, if I'm the Rangers I wouldn't cave on any type of out clause. Play hardball.
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It's more about an EU clause in the contract. The reason behind it is that the 2-way contract could cause the player (Shestyorkin in this case) to end up with a lower salary than what he earns now
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Him not having any talks with SKA doesn't change anything. The point about Shestyorkin not liking the 2-way structure is a valid one. To me, it feels like negotiation tactics to add a KHL clause to the ELC.
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Ehhhh you're assuming that the "report" that Shestyorkin doesn't like a 2-way structure is also true. I wouldn't pick and choose the parts of an apparently bogus report to believe.

That all said, is a "KHL clause" even a thing that NHL teams can do? I'm totally not even sure if I remember that being possible...seems like every guy who goes back has his contract mutually terminated.

ELCs are pretty standard. Bottom line is that if he wants to play in the NHL it's time to come over and prove he has what it takes and there's no leverage when it comes to ELCs. If he would prefer to stay in the KHL, that's perfectly within his rights to do so. It's all pretty clear cut at the moment.

e: looks like you can have an out clause even in an ELC.

That said...again, really if he wants to play in the NHL he may have to accept that he has to spend time in the AHL. I know it's an "inferior" league, and I know he would be paid less, but other top goalie prospects have come over and had to work their way through the AHL before they were ready for the NHL. Sometimes it's necessary and NHL teams aren't going to want to carry a liability on their roster either.
Perhaps some arrangement where if he spends more than X number of games in the AHL during the year he could return to the KHL, but ultimately that probably torpedoes his chances of playing for the Rangers.
 
Levitate said:
Ehhhh you're assuming that the "report" that Shestyorkin doesn't like a 2-way structure is also true. I wouldn't pick and choose the parts of an apparently bogus report to believe.

That all said, is a "KHL clause" even a thing that NHL teams can do? I'm totally not even sure if I remember that being possible...seems like every guy who goes back has his contract mutually terminated.
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Exibit A: Kristian Vesalainen
https://www.tsn.ca/jets-reassign-vesalainen-to-manitoba-moose-1.1273824
 
mike14 said:
He could be sent to Hartford regardless of whether the contract would be 1-way or 2-way, the only difference would be how much he is paid while there....
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The money is the issue though. His AHL salary would be lower than his current KHL salary.

It would be similar to someone leaving a job with a $350k annual salary, and then signs for $80k base salary and $845k in incentives/commission.

Would anyone really do that without trying to negotiate some sort of financial safety net (KHL clause)?
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
It's more about an EU clause in the contract. The reason behind it is that the 2-way contract could cause the player (Shestyorkin in this case) to end up with a lower salary than what he earns now
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What do you mean by "EU clause"?

Otherwise, yes I understand how two-way contracts work and that he could very well make less if he played all year in the AHL.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
The money is the issue though. His AHL salary would be lower than his current KHL salary.

It would be similar to someone leaving a job with a $350k annual salary, and then signs for $80k base salary and $845k in incentives/commission.

Would anyone really do that without trying to negotiate some sort of financial safety net (KHL clause)?
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Well the post I quoted stated that going to Hartford was the issue... but to answer your question;
yeah people change jobs for opportunities with salary structures like the one you posted often. most of the people I know aren't working in $300k range but the structures are the same.

Should Shestyorkin try and get extra clauses in his contract? Yeah sure, go nuts I guess. But i don't think there's all that much wriggle room in a standard player contract
 
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