That is the worst call I may have ever seen in my life. A game misconduct for that??? Tripping, sure but a game misconduct?
Hilarious.
KHL, hockey is different here.
Hilarious.
KHL, hockey is different here.
Prospect Info: 2014 NHL Draft / Pick #118 - Igor Shestyorkin (G) - Part III
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Where a TRIPPING call becomes a game misconduct? No way. Boarding? Slashing? Interference? Sure. The result often ends up inflating the penalty. But I have NEVER seen a tripping penalty turn into a misconduct, in any league. This isn't a KHL thing, it's just a laughably absurd call. I have been watching the NHL for decades and never seen anything remotely like that.
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I've seen players get game misconducts for stuff that isn't even a penalty. For people to suggest it's a "KHL thing" or that "KHL is bush league" because of this incident is just ridiculous. People talk about Russia as if it's still the 1960s.
I've seen people get misconducts for things like hits that the referee thinks are illegal that upon review were not illegal. I have never seen a tripping penalty result in a misconduct in any league ever.
I think the people that feel the KHL is bush league or whatever believe that for reasons beyond this play. But who am I to say?
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That's a pretty silly call imo. Hope the dude is ok though, and credit to Shesty for going right over as soon as the whistle blew
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I think the point is that bad game misconduct calls are bad misconduct calls. Whether on hits or for tripping should not be a factor - are we going to now differentiate between “good” bad calls or “bad” bad calls?
So KHL has nothing to do with it, if anything this outcome contradicts the narrative that SKA bought the league including the officiating. The context is that a corrupt heavy favorite team that is down to an underdog 0:2 in a playoff series gets punished 5+20 and losses its starting goalie on a questionable at best call? How’s this makes any sense and what does this has to do with KHL?
P.S. This is a general post, not directed specifically at you @nyr2k2
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I have never heard of a tripping call that turned into a game misconduct.
I've never even had that thought churn around in my imagination either.
I've never even had that thought churn around in my imagination either.
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If it's deemed reckless, and I can understand the refs reaching that conclusion, it's a game misconduct.
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I understand what you're saying about bad calls being bad calls, but generally even egregiously bad calls, people can recall something similar. A game misconduct for tripping is just so bizarre, the fact that no one has ever heard of that happening is what makes it unique.
I can't really speak to the conspiratorial stuff and Slava Malamud and all that. And I'm not out to criticize the KHL, either. For all I know that could be some Finnish ref who works international competitions.
It doesn't really matter though. I think it's fair to be blown by how ridiculous that call was (again, I haven't seen anyone recalling anything similar), but just leave it there. I've seen some nonsensical stuff in the AHL and other European leagues as well.
By the NHL rulebook, from what I see, literally the only way tripping can turn into a misconduct, game misconduct, or match penalty is if the referee felt there was intent to injure. There's no other mechanism to escalate tripping into that.
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Well, what Shestyorkin did could be seen as reckless, an unorthodox manoeuvre. Not exactly the same as "intent to injure" but it would explain why the referees decided to give him a game misconduct
I understand what you're getting at.
But the NHL rulebook, which the referees aren't using, obviously, the only way he gets kicked is if the referees felt he meant to injure the guy which would be lunacy. Maybe it's different in the KHL, I don't know. But the NHL rulebook is 220 pages and incredibly specific about what is what.
Anyway, whatever. Horrible call, my mind ain't changing.
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That's fine. What annoys me is the "What a bush league the KHL is" talk following this incident (I know it's not you saying it).
I know some leagues use the IIHF rules, maybe the KHL does as well. There might be something in the IIHF rulebook regarding this, but I don't care enough to spend an hour researching it, if you don't mind
I am currently packing for my Sweden trip, which is more important
Can you imagine if Hextall played in the KHL? He’s be doing 40-50 years with no parole.
Doesn’t matter what league this happened in. It’s an embarrassingly bad call. There was no intent to injure.
Give him 2 minutes for tripping or interference. Game misconduct is a complete joke.
Doesn’t matter what league this happened in. It’s an embarrassingly bad call. There was no intent to injure.
Give him 2 minutes for tripping or interference. Game misconduct is a complete joke.
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It's impossible to prove there was no intent to injury. It's unlikely, sure. But there's no clear indication he didn't trip him on purpose. At the very least it was an unconventional trip. A questionable action
Anyone who has watched hockey for a couple of years has seen very similar plays like that.
There was no intent to injure there. Shesty’s not a dirty player. Nor is he stupid enough to try and injure someone at the 4 minute mark in the 2nd period of a playoff game when his team has the lead.
There’s not even enough time for him to come to a decision that he’s going to try and injure him on purpose. He has a split second to react to that play and stretch to his right.
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I played goalie for many years. in Europe and North America. Against guys like Nylander, Per Erik Eklund, Tommy Albelin, Tony Granato, Tomas Sandström, Ulf Samuelsson, Mark Johnsson and Joel Otto. That is a terrible call, regardless of what league or age it took place. Infamy. To even insinuate that it could be a reckless and unorthodox maneuver is beyond ridiculous. 
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I played goalie for many years. in Europe and North America. Against guys like Nylander, Per Erik Eklund, Tommy Albelin, Tony Granato, Tomas Sandström, Ulf Samuelsson, Mark Johnsson and Joel Otto. That is a terrible call, regardless of what league or age it took place. Infamy. To even insinuate that it could be a reckless and unorthodox maneuver is beyond ridiculous.
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