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Prospect Info: 2014 NHL Draft / Pick #118 - Igor Shestyorkin (G) - Part III

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I'm sorry that makes it even worse (if that was possible) and sets a dangerous precedent in that league.

Its terrible the player got hurt as bad as he did and hope him a speedy recovery but he was aggressively attempting a save. There was not inten to injure. This makes the league look a bit of a joke.
 
I am ok with goalies getting misconduct for that, that is a dangerous play. Are we ever going to sign him or not?
 
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I can see a trip turned into a game if you put your stick into the skates of a guy trying to beat out an icing.
 
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Dam, Shesty is aggressive AF.. love it... finish with the Jean Claude Van Dam split

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Amazing Kreiderman said:
A game misconduct is an automatic suspension in the KHL. Not really changing anything
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Not that it really matters but could the KHL review and overturn the game misconduct? I can forgive the referee for making that call in the heat of the moment but I'd feel a lot better if the league took a different stance.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
The team has to request a review, yes. But does SKA really need to? Maybe they are okay with playing Hellberg for another game and take it from there
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Whether you need the guy or not is irrelevant. If you think your guy got a raw deal you appeal it.

And even if they want to start Hellberg, what if Hellberg gets hurt? Then you're playing your third string goalie in the playoffs down 2-1.

You have to appeal. There's literally nothing for you to lose in doing so.
 
Watched the replay, and agree with others that it looks totally unintentional.

Shesty is 23 and has nothing left to learn in the KHL IMO. So I'm not going to sweat his minutes when the big priority is going to be getting him over here and adjusted to North American hockey.
 
Fitzy said:
Watched the replay, and agree with others that it looks totally unintentional.

Shesty is 23 and has nothing left to learn in the KHL IMO. So I'm not going to sweat his minutes when the big priority is going to be getting him over here and adjusted to North American hockey.
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I still think he will stay in Russia until his contract ends in April, to play for the national team.
 
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Fitzy said:
Watched the replay, and agree with others that it looks totally unintentional.

Shesty is 23 and has nothing left to learn in the KHL IMO. So I'm not going to sweat his minutes when the big priority is going to be getting him over here and adjusted to North American hockey.
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I'd like him to learn to be a champion and backstop his team to a Gagarin Cup
 
RGY said:
Lol cmon AK. That type of call does not happen in the NHL. Maybe other nonsense does, but not something like that on the goalie.
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Not specifically tripping calls, but players get game misconducts for stuff that shouldn't be. Also in the NHL
 
Fitzy said:
Watched the replay, and agree with others that it looks totally unintentional.

Shesty is 23 and has nothing left to learn in the KHL IMO. So I'm not going to sweat his minutes when the big priority is going to be getting him over here and adjusted to North American hockey.
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Really? First time I watched it I thought it was pretty bad. I need to go back and look again.
 
Just saw the video. I can see both sides of the argument....

I definitely don't think it was intent to injury, but it was tripping. Shesty was a good few strides out of his crease. Definitely a penalty. Was it a match penalty, though? No, I don't think it should've been. Although Shesty was out of the crease, he was still doing his part to make the save/stop on the potential wraparound Daugavins was seemingly attempting. The call was definitely infatuated by Daugavins' whails and ultimate action being stretchered off the ice. It sucks a lot that Daugavins got a serious injury out of it, but it was an unfortunate event that happens in the sport. Shesty was doing his part, both of them got caught up and the results followed thereafter.

My final dictation. Shesty should've been called for the tripping penalty. You could make a case for it being a double minor, too, but by any means it shouldn't have been a game misconduct. Bad call by the ref. Hoping for a speedy and full recovery for Daugavins!!
 
Joey Bones said:
Just saw the video. I can see both sides of the argument....

I definitely don't think it was intent to injury, but it was tripping. Shesty was a good few strides out of his crease. Definitely a penalty. Was it a match penalty, though? No, I don't think it should've been. Although Shesty was out of the crease, he was still doing his part to make the save/stop on the potential wraparound Daugavins was seemingly attempting. The call was definitely infatuated by Daugavins' whails and ultimate action being stretchered off the ice. It sucks a lot that Daugavins got a serious injury out of it, but it was an unfortunate event that happens in the sport. Shesty was doing his part, both of them got caught up and the results followed thereafter.

My final dictation. Shesty should've been called for the tripping penalty. You could make a case for it being a double minor, too. But by any means it shouldn't have been a game misconduct. Bad call by the ref. Hoping for a speedy and full recovery for Daugavins!!
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2 things:
1. Rule 104 (Page 74): A major penalty is 5 minutes plus an automatic game misconduct
2. Rule 110 (Page 76): A match penalty carries with it an automatic (and minimum) one-game suspension.

https://www.iihf.com/IIHFMvc/media/Downloads/Rule Book/IIHF_Official_Rule_Book_2018_Web_v2.pdf

There is a rule where referees can assess a misconduct penalty if the foul results in injury. This is similar to the double-minor for high-sticking if there is blood.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
2 things:
1. Rule 104 (Page 74): A major penalty is 5 minutes plus an automatic game misconduct
2. Rule 110 (Page 76): A match penalty carries with it an automatic (and minimum) one-game suspension.

https://www.iihf.com/IIHFMvc/media/Downloads/Rule Book/IIHF_Official_Rule_Book_2018_Web_v2.pdf

There is a rule where referees can assess a misconduct penalty if the foul results in injury. This is similar to the double-minor for high-sticking if there is blood.
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Noted, but wouldn't that be the case for the tripping call then? A double-minor instead of the major?

Say for instance a high stick penalty causes a player to lose an eye (in the extreme case). Would that technically be a major rather than the double-minor?
 
Joey Bones said:
Noted, but wouldn't that be the case for the tripping call then? A double-minor instead of the major?

Say for instance a high stick penalty causes a player to lose an eye (in the extreme case). Would that technically be a major rather than the double-minor?
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Yes. If the injury is severe enough, referees can decide to give a major penalty.
 
Does the KHL use the IIHF rule book?

In my reading of the the NHL rule book, there is no means by which a tripping penalty can be escalated to a major. I'm not even sure a tripping penalty can be a double minor.

For it to reach the game misconduct level in the NHL, it would have to be deemed intent to injure, or one of a bunch of "abuse of official" things, and then at that point he'd be ejected and given one-game suspension (appealable). Or it could be called a major for interference or something (which would be stupid as well) and the game misconduct assessed. In the NHL only certain things have higher levels than just a minor; there's no major for closing your hand on the puck, for example.

I don't know. I'm sure the referees were within the rules in calling it the way they did. I don't think anyone is just making up rules, and if they did, I don't think the KHL would stand for it. Still, whether there's a rule that supports the call, I think it was a terrible interpretation and embarrassing that it was allowed to stand. But I don't really have anything else to say on the matter. It was stupid and it's over and done with.
 
Joey Bones said:
Seems a little flaky to me....

Say, speculation, Daugavins turns out to be fine and comes back next game. Wheres the merit in that for SKA and Shesty? Would that be worth the review?
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The team can appeal the automatic suspension. You can say it's flaky, but these are the IIHF rules.
 
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