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Who is the Blue Jackets mold?

I think we follow the Boston Bruins, in a sort.

It starts in goal ... clearly we have one of the best in the world, just like they do. Where they have Lucic - Krejci - Smith, we have Jenner - Johansen - Horton (when healthy) ... I think that's damn close to a wash. Dubinsky proved that he can be a dominant player like Patrice Bergeron in the playoffs. Really, the only area that I feel they separate themselves is with guys like Marchand, Iginla, Chara, and Hamilton. In that mold, Calvert is close to being one of the league's great scoring pests; Murray is going to develop into one of the best in the game on defense, and we have plenty of prospects up and coming. We play a similar hit-first style to their own, and rely on all for lines to play tight against the opposition's best.

Hopefully the results will be similar for us. I think we could potentially be that good, or maybe even a little better, if the cards land correctly.
 

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Phil Kessel is Rick Nash II. Great player but honestly, I don't want him for what he's worth.

2nd trade is unfair to Toronto.

Kessel >> Nash. Kessel has 13 goals in 22 career playoff games. Much younger. And he gets a bad rap because the Leafs suck, but the only reason it took so long for folks to figure out how bad the Leafs were was because Kessel was standing on his head (well that and Bernier).

Both trades are unfair to Toronto.
 

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As I play the what if game..

I always seem to come back to wanting a pair of scorers not just one added piece..

Toews Kane, Getzlaf Perry.. and when I see that, I also deduce that those pairs were drafted. So if we have the pivot in Joey.. who is our natural scorer going to be?

Unlike many of you folks.. I could see a top line of Nash Joey Horton. It would have to come with a (wife's hometown discount), but I can see this. Nash just getting to be a left wing scorer while Horton is the Power forward. Name Joey or Jack as captain first & just let Rick play.
 

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Some interesting thoughts in there... thanks for sharing.

On the goaltending situation, I agree that McElhinney can't be our backup next year. He simply isn't good enough. As for Stalock, I think there's no way he hits the market ... the Sharks not starting Niemi in game 6 of their series basically puts the writing on the wall. Don't get your hopes up there. Likely backups for me would be one of the (many) veterans hitting the market this summer. Someone like Evgeni Nabokob would not only provide us with quality minutes when necessary, but would also be a good mentor for Bobrovsky and a calming presence in the room. I think that's the direction we need to head in.

There are four current NHL players that are former members of Kekäläinen gathered (as a sporting director, similar to GM) end of the 90's HIFK, which eventually came to be Finnish league gold winning team. Olli Jokinen, Kimmo Timonen, Marek Zidlicky and Tim Thomas.

Thomas could surely be someone to learn from the mental side of the game. If he can aid Russians and Swedes at least as a patriot... Can't see him battling with motivation but of course with every older goalkeeper health and fitness might be an even more alarming issue with age so back-up goalkeeper that sits more likely in the infirmary ain't the best possible back-up either and you could end up with Minnesota Wild or Anaheim Ducks kind of goalie shuffle if the first-choice too backfires. Which might then again favour that in order to be succesful, in the long haul, it eventually comes down more to team infront, rather than the guy back. Watching Bryzgalov shake.

Gaborik, Vanek and Stastny are the most likely 60+ points gathering forwards from this year's UFA crop. Who is the fourth name on that list and would likely work for half the cap hit? The answer is Jokinen, not Pittsburg's Reindeer-Jokinen but The Chief himself, Päällikkö Olli Jokinen who's individualistic drive could really blossom out in blue collar team as the offensive spear in a similar way to Ryan Johansen. I think they are even bit of the same character and Jokinen has roughed some of that out with experience.

OJ's last season was minor-injury hampered and he might not have been at best home possible while at Winnipeg so there's that point-potential at least looming.

Should there be any trade chess played with Dubinsky (while his trade value tide is high) or Anisimov (room for improvement still in that big frame?) this summer. While of course leadership and all is nice if the right deal would be there... If there ever comes need for second or third rotational centerman Olli Jokinen, he is out there with couple good seasons left in him.
 

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I agree we should never take Kessel (not that Toronto would trade him anyway). I mean the guy has not missed a game in the last three years, averaged a point a game for those three years all while playing for a team that pretty much has stunk.
Plus we really need a sniper, guy who can create his own chances. Definitely no to Kessel. I think the above qualifications don't fit the mold.
 
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EspenK

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I think we follow the Boston Bruins, in a sort.

It starts in goal ... clearly we have one of the best in the world, just like they do. Where they have Lucic - Krejci - Smith, we have Jenner - Johansen - Horton (when healthy) ... I think that's damn close to a wash. Dubinsky proved that he can be a dominant player like Patrice Bergeron in the playoffs. Really, the only area that I feel they separate themselves is with guys like Marchand, Iginla, Chara, and Hamilton. In that mold, Calvert is close to being one of the league's great scoring pests; Murray is going to develop into one of the best in the game on defense, and we have plenty of prospects up and coming. We play a similar hit-first style to their own, and rely on all for lines to play tight against the opposition's best.

Hopefully the results will be similar for us. I think we could potentially be that good, or maybe even a little better, if the cards land correctly.

I can see this as a comparison. For a mere $8 mill per or so I would think (hope) we could have a shot at Iggy for the next two years. My pipe dream for this off season.
 

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I agree we should never take Kessel (not that Toronto would trade him anyway). I mean the guy has not missed a game in the last three years, averaged a point a game for those three years all while playing for a team that pretty much has stunk.
Plus we really need a sniper, guy who can create his own chances. Definitely no to Kessel. I think the above qualifications don't fit the mold.

Kessel would be great but.....

The price for Phil is Joey :sarcasm:

No really, they will want a 1C or a Rick Nash type return. Are you willing to get our roster for an elite sniper? I know we have depth but it's not like they'll take umby. Think dubi + anisimov + prospect + 1st. Too much like back to the old jackets for me.
 

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I agree we should never take Kessel (not that Toronto would trade him anyway). I mean the guy has not missed a game in the last three years, averaged a point a game for those three years all while playing for a team that pretty much has stunk.
Plus we really need a sniper, guy who can create his own chances. Definitely no to Kessel. I think the above qualifications don't fit the mold.

:huh: Kessel creates tons of chances. His shot is so good all he needs is the puck and its a scoring chance, even if he's 50 ft out.

And as for the first point, I'll defer to Scott Cullen:

"Over the past three seasons, Phil Kessel is tied for second in points, with 214, and fourth in goals, with 94. Sure, his game isn't the most well-rounded, but when seeking out problems with the Leafs, the play of one of the game's elite offensive players ought to be way down the list. Furthermore, while his raw possession numbers are poor (he plays for Toronto, after all), his relative possession stats have been positive for six of the past seven seasons."

This means his teammates are dragging him down, and he's dragging them up. It doesn't matter because there's no way Toronto would move him, but you're mischaracterizing the player.
 

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Kessel would be great but.....

The price for Phil is Joey :sarcasm:

No really, they will want a 1C or a Rick Nash type return. Are you willing to get our roster for an elite sniper? I know we have depth but it's not like they'll take umby. Think dubi + anisimov + prospect + 1st. Too much like back to the old jackets for me.

Oh, I have no real thought that we could ever acquire Kessel, but I sure as heck would make the trade that was proposed.

Tyutin, Anisimov & a 1st? No brainer to me but unfortunately not for Toronto's GM.
 

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Oh, I have no real thought that we could ever acquire Kessel, but I sure as heck would make the trade that was proposed.

Tyutin, Anisimov & a 1st? No brainer to me but unfortunately not for Toronto's GM.

If only feaster were their GM. On ther other hand that clarkson signing would give me hope. You'd still probably add something like wennberg or Rychel (from a Toronto pov)
 
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If only feaster were their GM. On ther other hand that clarkson signing would give me hope. You'd still probably add something like wennberg or Rychel (from a Toronto pov)

No Wennberg or Rychel but maybe Dano. Or maybe Cam and we keep the first and they throw in a second.
 

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Toews Kane, Getzlaf Perry.. and when I see that, I also deduce that those pairs were drafted. So if we have the pivot in Joey.. who is our natural scorer going to be?

You're forgetting some of the other teams still left in the playoffs ... like the Montreal Canadiens and Boston Bruins; neither of whom have a dynamic offensive combo. I believe that, whoever wins that series, is going to win the Cup.

To those of you discussing Phil Kessel:

36 goal, 60 point, +23 Phil Kessel from his 22 year old 2009 season netted a return of two first round picks (Tyler Seguin, Dougie Hamilton), and a second round pick (Jared Knight). This year Kessel netted 37 goals and 80 points, tying him for 6th in the NHL (he was in 2nd for a good portion of the year). He's still only 26 years old.

Are you all really willing to give up a package similar - or greater - than the one the Leafs did to bring in Phil Kessel? You know, the one who's been the media whipping boy in both NHL markets he's played for taking entire games off and disappearing for long stretches of time. Because (and I'm just being up front here), the return the Leafs would likely ask for would be similar to the one they gave up, but not including draft picks. My theory is that they would be looking for a Seguin equivalent (Ryan Johansen); a Hamilton replacement (take your pick of our young defense) and probably another young depth forward. The Leafs aren't in the market for draft picks; the Leafs are in the market to win now. Their media dictates it.

So, if you want Phil Kessel, be prepared to give up a premium that likely puts us right back into the Rick Nash era of having a team led by one superstar that regularly underachieves. He is a great, dynamic offensive player - one of the best in the world. But, he alone does not make us a contender. Especially not if we have to give up the farm to get him.
 

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I agree we should never take Kessel (not that Toronto would trade him anyway). I mean the guy has not missed a game in the last three years, averaged a point a game for those three years all while playing for a team that pretty much has stunk.
Plus we really need a sniper, guy who can create his own chances. Definitely no to Kessel. I think the above qualifications don't fit the mold.

Way to completely miss the point.

Would you trade Johansen or Jenner+Wennberg+1st+Decent Player for Phil Kessel? That's probably what it'd take.
 

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Way to completely miss the point.

Would you trade Johansen or Jenner+Wennberg+1st+Decent Player for Phil Kessel? That's probably what it'd take.

No, I wouldn't make the 4 for 1 you outline. I would give up what I said before - any D not named Murray or Johnson, Anisimov, and Cam or a #1. Or Dano instead of Cam.

And I didn't miss your point. I don't realistically see Toronto trading for something I outlined but you never know. The thing that gets to me is that almost universally, trades here get thumbed down because we don't want to give up anything (I acknowledge you said "for what they would want")
 

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I always seem to come back to wanting a pair of scorers not just one added piece..

Toews Kane, Getzlaf Perry.. and when I see that, I also deduce that those pairs were drafted. So if we have the pivot in Joey.. who is our natural scorer going to be?

Unlike many of you folks.. I could see a top line of Nash Joey Horton. It would have to come with a (wife's hometown discount), but I can see this. Nash just getting to be a left wing scorer while Horton is the Power forward. Name Joey or Jack as captain first & just let Rick play.
Whose to say it wont be Jenner, Rychel, Bjorkstrand or Wennberg ? I mean Jenner was 1 goal from tying Rick Nashs' rookie goal record.. so anything is possible. I really want to see a full season of Jenner-Johansen-Horton
 
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Spezza out in OTT?

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m

Spezza trade rumors stem in part from Spezza exit interview when he reportedly told OTT ownership/management he may look favorably on move.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 32s

In any case, whatever the motivation, Spezza is very much in play on the NHL trade market.
 

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Spezza out in OTT?

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m

Spezza trade rumors stem in part from Spezza exit interview when he reportedly told OTT ownership/management he may look favorably on move.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 32s

In any case, whatever the motivation, Spezza is very much in play on the NHL trade market.

It feels great to say this: We don't need him, and thus don't need to worry about whatever asking price Bryan Murray puts out there. We are deep down the middle, and would be better suited finding a natural goal scoring wing to play the left side with Johansen.

Interesting to see the goings on in Ottawa, though... it wasn't too long ago that they were thought of as an up and coming young team, just like us. The Bobby Ryan deal really seems to have changed their course. Hint hint ...
 

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More info. regarding Toronto's plans....

https://twitter.com/NHLexpertpicks/status/465905483568934912

Watching Kulemin today at the IIHF's... he's looked pretty solid so far. Picked up the first goal for Russia. Appears to use his frame well when possessing the puck. Not outstanding numbers over his NHL career but nothing less than average. As a winger... he could potentially play LW. He's an UFA after this year... He's making 2.8 million. Not a massive amount of money at all. Thoughts on acquiring him at the draft or in the future?...
 
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