2014 CBJ Offseason Thread

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Dr. Fire

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As far as free agency goes, I look for something similar to last off-season where JK and JD target one player and go for it.

As far as trades go, I think Porty has it right about what JK wants. He has been all about that type player since he has been here. I don't like to guess on who gets traded, as there always seem to be some big surprises when it comes to them.
 

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As far as free agency goes, I look for something similar to last off-season where JK and JD target one player and go for it.

I disagree. There's very few "open" roster spots, assuming even 2/3 of the FA's get re-signed.

Plus, it feels like the foundation here is pretty well set. They will probably look internally for some upgrades & improvement, but I don't think they need a big splash in FA. And barring a buyout or two, there won't be a TON of cap space given that Joey is due for a big payday.
 

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If I were Jarmo I would monitor the Bobby Ryan situation in Ottawa very closely.

They gave up a hefty price to get him, thinking they were ready to complete in the playoffs - then they fell on their faces big time, and now may be even considering dealing Spezza. Ryan is due for a big, long-term deal, and they may not be in line to give it him coming off their poor year, and realizing how far away they are from contention. He may not want to re-sign there either.

We could help them regain some of what they lost in acquiring him (1st, prospect, roster player maybe) on the condition we can work out a long-term deal with his agent, which would could easily afford (somewhere i the $7.5 million range I'd guess)

Bobby Ryan on the CBJ top line with Johansen would be huge. A great locker room fit with other guys his age like Dubie, Wiz, and Jack who he knows from Team USA.
 

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Here's another name I think would be a great fit.... Mikkel Boedker from PHO. I don't suspect he would be easily acquired but he would look great on the LW next to Joey. I believe he plays either wing but thought LW was where he was spending most of his time.
 

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A post for Spin to reply to regarding how the CBJ and Sharks' offseasons could intertwine.

In my annual post-season depression party, I had a few thoughts, even before I saw this.

Thornton and Marleau have full NTC. I don't think they would wave them for Columbus. Thornton may for Ottawa or Toronto.....Marleau for a Western Canada team, but I doubt Columbus.

The Sharks are in serious need of young defensemen. Skating Brad Stuart and Scott Hannan regularly isn't the way to win The Cup. That leaves Pavelski, Couture and Burns as the 3 most likely forwards to be moved. Couture is youngest and Pavelski is the best (imho) of the three. Frankly, a team like Nashville with many young defensemen are the ideal trading partner. Not sure if Columbus has that (they won't and shouldn't trade Murray and I don't think they will deal JMFJ either).

They could also use young forwards, but they are weak on the back end. When Vlasic went down.....that just killed them.

....back to the bottle....
 

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In my annual post-season depression party, I had a few thoughts, even before I saw this.

Thornton and Marleau have full NTC. I don't think they would wave them for Columbus. Thornton may for Ottawa or Toronto.....Marleau for a Western Canada team, but I doubt Columbus.

The Sharks are in serious need of young defensemen. Skating Brad Stuart and Scott Hannan regularly isn't the way to win The Cup. That leaves Pavelski, Couture and Burns as the 3 most likely forwards to be moved. Couture is youngest and Pavelski is the best (imho) of the three. Frankly, a team like Nashville with many young defensemen are the ideal trading partner. Not sure if Columbus has that (they won't and shouldn't trade Murray and I don't think they will deal JMFJ either).

They could also use young forwards, but they are weak on the back end. When Vlasic went down.....that just killed them.

....back to the bottle....

Reading the mains and the SJS board, seems like many are holding Couture and Pavelski in low esteem given their PO performance. I'd think either would be an asset, with Pavs being a better fit for CBJ and Couture being more expensive to get. Pavs at wing on a team with a lot of guys playing wing who have the ability to play center makes sense to me.

Wonder if Tim Erixon as the young d-man (plus somethings) would be at least worth a listen from DW?
 

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Reading the mains and the SJS board, seems like many are holding Couture and Pavelski in low esteem given their PO performance. I'd think either would be an asset, with Pavs being a better fit for CBJ and Couture being more expensive to get. Pavs at wing on a team with a lot of guys playing wing who have the ability to play center makes sense to me.

Wonder if Tim Erixon as the young d-man (plus somethings) would be at least worth a listen from DW?

I'd take either of them. Can Coture play RW?
 

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Reading the mains and the SJS board, seems like many are holding Couture and Pavelski in low esteem given their PO performance. I'd think either would be an asset, with Pavs being a better fit for CBJ and Couture being more expensive to get. Pavs at wing on a team with a lot of guys playing wing who have the ability to play center makes sense to me.

Wonder if Tim Erixon as the young d-man (plus somethings) would be at least worth a listen from DW?
Have been trying to pursue discussions along those lines with Sharks fans in the Obligatory Panic Thread on T&R. Although I also figure we'd have some interest in Marleau - LW/C, fast, 30+ goal scorer, may be more movable, et cetera.
 

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Reading the mains and the SJS board, seems like many are holding Couture and Pavelski in low esteem given their PO performance. I'd think either would be an asset, with Pavs being a better fit for CBJ and Couture being more expensive to get. Pavs at wing on a team with a lot of guys playing wing who have the ability to play center makes sense to me.

Wonder if Tim Erixon as the young d-man (plus somethings) would be at least worth a listen from DW?

Actually I think that both would be a decent fit here. They are both skilled and fast, high hockey IQ. You're right that Pavelski might be slightly cheaper to get a hold of. Regardless, both guys would probably cost us some significant assets.
 

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I doubt the Sharks trade either Coture or Pavelski but I would offer up their choice of Foligno/Anisimov/Atkinson plus Erixon or Prout plus our 1st or a second and a third.
 

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I doubt the Sharks trade either Coture or Pavelski but I would offer up their choice of Foligno/Anisimov/Atkinson plus Erixon or Prout plus our 1st or a second and a third.
SJ's window is closing; futures wouldn't do it.
The offer I'd come up with was Atkinson, Anisimov, and Erixon. The reception was basically "that's a fair try. We'll consider it. Perhaps if Erixon was signed...?" :)
 

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If I were Jarmo I would monitor the Bobby Ryan situation in Ottawa very closely.

They gave up a hefty price to get him, thinking they were ready to complete in the playoffs - then they fell on their faces big time, and now may be even considering dealing Spezza. Ryan is due for a big, long-term deal, and they may not be in line to give it him coming off their poor year, and realizing how far away they are from contention. He may not want to re-sign there either.

We could help them regain some of what they lost in acquiring him (1st, prospect, roster player maybe) on the condition we can work out a long-term deal with his agent, which would could easily afford (somewhere i the $7.5 million range I'd guess)

Bobby Ryan on the CBJ top line with Johansen would be huge. A great locker room fit with other guys his age like Dubie, Wiz, and Jack who he knows from Team USA.

I like the idea, but would the Sens really feel like they are rebuilding again? They don't look too far off to me. Would they be willing to admit their mistake only one season in? I'd love Ryan, but IDK.
 

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I'm not sure I would want any of the Sharks players, they are so terrible in the post season and carry such huge contracts.
 

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I like the idea, but would the Sens really feel like they are rebuilding again? They don't look too far off to me. Would they be willing to admit their mistake only one season in? I'd love Ryan, but IDK.

JK wants guys who are fast, smart and have the hearts of lions. What was that word Bobby Ryan can't spell again?
 

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If you take the organizations goals at face value and speed of decisions and foot speed are needed I think we have to look at who DOESN'T fit that description and then work on the replacement. I would think Umby and Boll top the list for possible moves. I also think Wiz falls short of that criteria. Say goodbye to Comeau and Nikitin as UFA goners.

Not sure how or where they all go but obviously you aren't going to see them all moved. There is a lot of leadership there too. Comeau and Niki seem gone for sure. Gong to be interesting to say the least.
 

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JK wants guys who are fast, smart and have the hearts of lions. What was that word Bobby Ryan can't spell again?

The great Connie Mack had a very specific set of criteria for every player that he signed, keeping in mind that a baseball manager of his day would be expected to do his own signings, scouting, trading, re-signing, and every other duty expected of a GM today.

If a player that he was looking at didn't meet his criteria, then Mack wanted nothing to do with him. He wanted players who were respectful and respectable, yet picked up Ty Cobb at the end of his career. He wanted educated players, yet signed Jimmie Foxx (a high school dropout) and Rube Waddell (who didn't earn his nickname ironically). He wanted even-tempered players, yet signed the explosive Lefty Grove (who smashed up more than one clubhouse after a poor outing). On the mound, he wanted power pitchers exclusively, yet signed Eddie Rommel (junkballer) and Eddie Plank (the Jamie Moyer of his day).

Mack was willing to bend a bit on players who could be All-Stars. Anyone filling any type of depth role would get no such leeway. In this case, Bobby Ryan isn't exactly third-line material; he's an All-Star caliber scoring forward and we're fans of a team that needs them. Consider what else we heard from that particular article, where powers-that-be were openly talking about dreams that they were having involving certain players and situations. Burke's blather about Ryan...whatever.
 

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I'm not sure I would want any of the Sharks players, they are so terrible in the post season and carry such huge contracts.

Agreed ... the only ones I would really consider would be Couture and Burns, because I think they would be nice fits. But, stay away from Thornton, Marleau, even Pavelski ... they seem to be cursed. Hopefully it hasn't rubbed off too much on a guy like Couture or Burns.
 

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The great Connie Mack had a very specific set of criteria for every player that he signed, keeping in mind that a baseball manager of his day would be expected to do his own signings, scouting, trading, re-signing, and every other duty expected of a GM today.

If a player that he was looking at didn't meet his criteria, then Mack wanted nothing to do with him. He wanted players who were respectful and respectable, yet picked up Ty Cobb at the end of his career. He wanted educated players, yet signed Jimmie Foxx (a high school dropout) and Rube Waddell (who didn't earn his nickname ironically). He wanted even-tempered players, yet signed the explosive Lefty Grove (who smashed up more than one clubhouse after a poor outing). On the mound, he wanted power pitchers exclusively, yet signed Eddie Rommel (junkballer) and Eddie Plank (the Jamie Moyer of his day).

Mack was willing to bend a bit on players who could be All-Stars. Anyone filling any type of depth role would get no such leeway. In this case, Bobby Ryan isn't exactly third-line material; he's an All-Star caliber scoring forward and we're fans of a team that needs them. Consider what else we heard from that particular article, where powers-that-be were openly talking about dreams that they were having involving certain players and situations. Burke's blather about Ryan...whatever.

That's a pretty good post.
 

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I've seen some people suggest Iginla. Assuming it was based on a 1 year deal and offer him money to see if he takes it. If the only way he was willing to accept was on a multi year deal, would you want Jarmo to do it? Iginla is 36, can he keep it up for another couple of years? If his age catches up to him, paying him big dollars/high cap hit would suck. Lets say his demands were 3 years/$15 million.

As for not wanting Sharks players, I would take Pavelski or Vlasic.
 
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