2014 CBJ Offseason Thread
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ca5150
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I wouldn't pay Iginla 6 million. We don't need to rebuild our forwards, we were top 10 in scoring without Horton. It's the back-end that cost us in the playoffs, not big and tough enough or mean enough. I would try to swing a trade. Hopefully that giant Meratt(can't remember how to spell it) guy turns into something, like his nastyness
CBJSlash
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Ladies and Gentleman, RJ Umberger will not be bought out. I would be shocked. Although he is inconsistent, he is a 20 goal scorer, a good guy in the room and in the community. At 4.5 million he is overpaid, but only overpaid by about a million. He'd probably get 4.5 on the open market.
Let Frattin, D Mac, Skille, Shultz, and Tropp walk.
Buy out RJ Umberger and trade Fedor Tyutin.
Bury/trade Jared Boll.
Extend Ryan Johansen. I think Dubie and Foligno can also be extended after July 1, if that is the case I do that as well.
As far as UFAs, depending on the market, I would try to add a top 6 forward on a shorter term deal (1-3 years) like Cammallari, Hemsky, Kulemin, Michalek, maybe Setoguchi. These types of players won't command the crazy money and term that Horton got or that a guy like Vanek will command, and all could add more to the top 6 and PP than someone like Skille.
I would target a top 6 forward in a trade and offer up picks/prospects and potentially roster players during the draft depending on the player. I don't know who will become available, just heard the same rumors as everyone else, but Bobby Ryan is a guy I would have loved last year and if a deal doesn't get a deal done in Ottawa maybe that's a possibility again this summer. If Edmonton is willing to part with Eberle, or Carolina puts Skinner out there, or other teams dangle any decent forwards, I do whatever I can to make it happen.
I would also target bargains from the buyout market. Similar to the Caps picking up Grabovksi, when the Caps buyout Brooks Laich he's a guy I try to bring in on a cheap one year deal depending on how that groin checks out. Depending on who else gets bought out (Brad Richards?) there could be other solid bargain options there as well.
Tyutin off the books will help although depends what salary we take back and what kind of return we can get.
I get very involved in trying to poach talent from the wasteland of failing Canadian teams. Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, Toronto will probably all be wheeling and dealing this summer as they look to rebuild/retool. What would it take to get Evander Kane? Andrew Ladd, Blake Wheeler? Kevin Bieksa, Alex Elder? Nazem Kadri, Cody Franson?
A lot of teams will be in re-tool mode this summer, and since I believe we have the core of this team (Dubie, Jack, Boone, Joey, Murray, Bob) we can start being a bit more aggressive in moving to put some better talent around those guys, rather than just hope/wait on prospects.
The Blues, the loser of Sharks/Kings...other disappointing teams will also be looking to deal
Xoggz22
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I really like Jakob Silfverberg. Without injury I think he would have had a big year. Played very well in March and April and has looked good in playoffs for Anaheim. I don't think they would move him but I would go after him first and foremost. I don't think the assets needed would be too too bad but we would have to move some value obviously.
I make two moves.... 1) Open up a roster spot by simply moving Umberger to a team that will need help at the floor or leadership (he would have to accept). Retain salary if need be. 2) Include Atkinson in a deal for Silfverberg. Atkinson offers value and could be a 25+ goal scorer but I think his limitations are more pronounced in Columbus because we don't have additional high level skill and 2-way play that would help him achieve highest potential. Good player but I see a 3rd line guy and a specialist on the PP. If he's here, great. Good kid and has some skill but I think he's a moveable chip for an upgrade.
Xoggz22
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Trade him and retain 30%. That would be my suggestion. I've already put my position down in the "Buyout Umberger" thread. I don't think that's a good option but I do think moving him would be.
If Wiz was 23 and made 2 mil a year and played the same exact way as he did this year the same thing would've happened to him. He would've been scratched early and not get the ridiculous amount of PP time he got. I said Prout has a better shot and I stand by it. It is harder and he has the ability to get it through traffic. Wiz has nowhere near the most accurate slapshot on this team. Just because he has the opportunities and uses it WAY more doesn't make it better. Savard, Murray, and Johnson all have more accurate shots. And there no Kris Russell,(another guy I'd take over Wiz) as they all can get some heat behind the puck. Nikitin has a better shot both ways, harder AND more accurate. Remember his 30 in 50? I'm guessing you meant Dmen so I won't even name off the forwards.
I'd also like to mention while points are awesome and all, we're talking about DEFENSEMEN. They're main job on the ice is to defend, even on the powerplay where I'd argue that Wiz is our biggest liability on the point because of very questionable decision making and non existent foot speed. 5 on 5 its worse. You cannot possibly feel that he's NOT our worst defensemen when it comes to defense. I don't know where the Frattin thing comes from, but anyways there's probably 2 guys on each 2nd line in the league that I'd trade him straight up for. I personally just don't think the negative affect he has on our team defense is made up from his supposed elite PP prowess, especially when 80% our defensemen are offensive minded.
Also, just like earlier during the year trying to get some of you to realize what Umberger really did(or didn't do) for this team, I don't get why you guys even defend them. I'M A BLUEJACKET FAN. I WANT OUR TEAM TO WIN. Umberger and Wisniewski did not help our team more than hurt us this year and they wont next year either. The cap hits they both carry is just icing on the cake.
Umberger's 18 goals and Wiz's 50 pts helps us just as much as those 40 goal seasons from Nash.
CBJWerenski8
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People know I love Johnson, but this bold makes me laugh. Did you even watch JJ in the regular season?
Judging by your comment, you wouldn't take Erik Karlsson on this team because he's not a good defender. And since he's a defenseman, and thats the end all be all, he's not welcome here. Wisniewski is a powerplay specialist, for once in our franchises history we had a competent powerplay for most of the year save that horrid stretch of 0-23 or whatever it was. Wisniewski isn't a great defender, but that's why you have someone like Murray guarding for him. He was brought here to score and boost the powerplay. What's he done? Score, and boost the powerplay. If you thought we were signing Zdeno Chara or Ryan Suter, you were mistaken and thats on you. Wisniewski has a role here, and he will 100% no doubt about it take it to the bank will be back next year. In fact, I would put it as one of the most embarassing organizational moves in our teams history if we trade him for scraps or buy him out like you are suggesting. You think point getting defenseman grow on trees? This dude was top 10 in points scored by defenseman. 30 teams in the NHL would take Wisniewski on their team. To say he shouldn't be here, is such a knee jerk reaction to a poor playoffs.
I can't believe I have to spend time defending someones future on the team when they just hit 50 points, especially as a defenseman. Wisniewski isn't a perfect player, he always has and always will have his moments, and as I have said about 40 billion times this season, there are very few other defenseman I would rather have running my powerplay.
You can't trade Wiz anyway...NTC.
The disappointment, I think, stems mostly from his absolutely horrendous play in the playoffs. If he's even remotely close to his regular season self, then the discussion is probably different. But some blame there should go to HCTR for not icing Prout in favor of Wiz after a few games.
The disappointment, I think, stems mostly from his absolutely horrendous play in the playoffs. If he's even remotely close to his regular season self, then the discussion is probably different. But some blame there should go to HCTR for not icing Prout in favor of Wiz after a few games.
You talking about Milart? I had high hopes for him too, but he's too slow for the show.
You're absolutely right that most of us thought the defense was our strength and the offense was our weakness. The offense turned out to be better and the defense not as good. That said, I absolutely would have Igilna on the CBJ for $6 million!
As for comments from the others...
I also think Jakob Silfverberg is going to be a very good player in this league.
Another thing to ask is how many of RJ's goals could not be scored by someone else? It's really more about upgrading a roster spot on the third line than about him being overpaid.
OV Rocks
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Caps fan here, what the price of Jack Johnson? Marcus Johansson and the 13th pick this year? Eric Fehr? Troy Brouwer? Connor Carrick? Madison Bowey?
You want Wisniewski. Wiz and Ovy on the PP might be greatest 1-2 punch of all time.
Johansson straight up. With Fehr. We'll add a 3rd.
Johansson straight up. With Fehr. We'll add a 3rd.
cslebn
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I agree about that D need. But who? I'm not sure who in the league qualifies anymore since they have to some foot speed as well.
Fayne's the closest thing in the UFA pool and he's probably more like a Tyutin. Maybe Bieksa via trade?
Thinking of who qualifies:
Chara - haha not getting him
Orpik - too late in career
Greene - lost something and slow
Mitchell - same
Regehr - old
Kronwall - not going to happen
Phaenuef - not being traded
Maybe a Volchenkov, Mark Stuart, Jared Cowen, Gudas?
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FORWARDS
Boone Jenner ($0.778m) / Ryan Johansen ($3.551m) / Nathan Horton ($5.300m)
Nick Foligno ($3.083m) / Paul Stastny ($6.600m) / Artem Anisimov ($3.283m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($4.200m) / Cam Atkinson ($1.150m)
Matt Calvert ($0.988m) / Mark Letestu ($1.250m) / Alexander Wennberg ($0.750m)
Jared Boll ($1.700m) /
Jack Skille ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Matt Niskanen ($3.500m) / Fedor Tyutin ($4.500m)
Jack Johnson ($4.357m) / Ryan Murray ($0.894m)
James Wisniewski ($5.500m) / Rostislav Klesla ($2.975m)
Dalton Prout ($0.693m) /
GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($5.625m)
Curtis McElhinney ($0.600m)
BUYOUTS
Mike Commodore ($1.142m)
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SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,693,976; BONUSES: $2,715,833
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,406,024
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FORWARDS
Boone Jenner ($0.778m) / Ryan Johansen ($3.551m) / Nathan Horton ($5.300m)
Nick Foligno ($3.083m) / Paul Stastny ($6.600m) / Artem Anisimov ($3.283m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($4.200m) / Cam Atkinson ($1.150m)
Matt Calvert ($0.988m) / Mark Letestu ($1.250m) / Alexander Wennberg ($0.750m)
Jared Boll ($1.700m) /
Jack Skille ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Matt Niskanen ($3.500m) / Fedor Tyutin ($4.500m)
Jack Johnson ($4.357m) / Ryan Murray ($0.894m)
James Wisniewski ($5.500m) / Rostislav Klesla ($2.975m)
Dalton Prout ($0.693m) /
GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($5.625m)
Curtis McElhinney ($0.600m)
BUYOUTS
Mike Commodore ($1.142m)
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I don't know what makes me sadder, seeing this or the Nationwide ice being torn up.
If we get Ryan Johansen signed for 3.5 million dollars, I'll eat a shoe. Sorry, not remotely realistic.
And Klesla isn't coming back to the NHL (and totally sucks anyways).
cslebn
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Couple of things:
Niskanen will cost more than 3.5M
Where did all our young, home grown D go?
I beleive someone said Wenneberg is already committed to Swe for next year
Didn't Klesla Retire officially? (Not sure why you would want someone slower than the USS Hal Gill).
Totally overlooked David Savard in the dropdown list and then forgot about him. Throw him with Wiz.
How I'd go about this:
Compliance buyout on RJ
Trade Boll, anywhere. (1.7 is too much for a healthy scratch)
Sign Callahan for 5.25 or 5.5mil for 4 years depending on if he'll take a discount to play with Dubi
Sign Stastny for 7mil for 5 years
Sign Meszaros for 4.25 or 4.5 for 3 years
Resign Dmac(1.2), Savard(950k), Prout(750k), Erixon(950k), Skille(850k), McElhinney(600k), and of course, Joey(5.25).
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FORWARDS
Artem Anisimov ($3.283m) / Paul Stastny ($7.000m) / Ryan Callahan ($5.250m)
Boone Jenner ($0.778m) / Ryan Johansen ($5.250m) / Nathan Horton ($5.300m)
Matt Calvert ($0.988m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($4.200m) / Cam Atkinson ($1.150m)
Nick Foligno ($3.083m) / Mark Letestu ($1.250m) / Derek MacKenzie ($1.200m)
Jack Skille ($0.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Jack Johnson ($4.357m) / Fedor Tyutin ($4.500m)
Ryan Murray ($0.894m) / James Wisniewski ($5.500m)
David Savard ($0.950m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.500m)
Tim Erixon ($0.950m) / Dalton Prout ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($5.625m)
Curtis McElhinney ($0.600m)
BUYOUTS
R.J. Umberger ($0.000m)
Mike Commodore ($1.142m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,350,476; BONUSES: $2,715,833
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,749,524
Profit.
Edit: My god is JJ's contract a bargain.
Compliance buyout on RJ
Trade Boll, anywhere. (1.7 is too much for a healthy scratch)
Sign Callahan for 5.25 or 5.5mil for 4 years depending on if he'll take a discount to play with Dubi
Sign Stastny for 7mil for 5 years
Sign Meszaros for 4.25 or 4.5 for 3 years
Resign Dmac(1.2), Savard(950k), Prout(750k), Erixon(950k), Skille(850k), McElhinney(600k), and of course, Joey(5.25).
CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
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FORWARDS
Artem Anisimov ($3.283m) / Paul Stastny ($7.000m) / Ryan Callahan ($5.250m)
Boone Jenner ($0.778m) / Ryan Johansen ($5.250m) / Nathan Horton ($5.300m)
Matt Calvert ($0.988m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($4.200m) / Cam Atkinson ($1.150m)
Nick Foligno ($3.083m) / Mark Letestu ($1.250m) / Derek MacKenzie ($1.200m)
Jack Skille ($0.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Jack Johnson ($4.357m) / Fedor Tyutin ($4.500m)
Ryan Murray ($0.894m) / James Wisniewski ($5.500m)
David Savard ($0.950m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.500m)
Tim Erixon ($0.950m) / Dalton Prout ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($5.625m)
Curtis McElhinney ($0.600m)
BUYOUTS
R.J. Umberger ($0.000m)
Mike Commodore ($1.142m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,350,476; BONUSES: $2,715,833
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,749,524
Profit.
Edit: My god is JJ's contract a bargain.
How I'd go about this:
Compliance buyout on RJ
Trade Boll, anywhere. (1.7 is too much for a healthy scratch)
Sign Callahan for 5.25 or 5.5mil for 4 years depending on if he'll take a discount to play with Dubi
Sign Stastny for 7mil for 5 years
Sign Meszaros for 4.25 or 4.5 for 3 years
Resign Dmac(1.2), Savard(950k), Prout(750k), Erixon(950k), Skille(850k), McElhinney(600k), and of course, Joey(5.25).
CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Artem Anisimov ($3.283m) / Paul Stastny ($7.000m) / Ryan Callahan ($5.250m)
Boone Jenner ($0.778m) / Ryan Johansen ($5.250m) / Nathan Horton ($5.300m)
Matt Calvert ($0.988m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($4.200m) / Cam Atkinson ($1.150m)
Nick Foligno ($3.083m) / Mark Letestu ($1.250m) / Derek MacKenzie ($1.200m)
Jack Skille ($0.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Jack Johnson ($4.357m) / Fedor Tyutin ($4.500m)
Ryan Murray ($0.894m) / James Wisniewski ($5.500m)
David Savard ($0.950m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.500m)
Tim Erixon ($0.950m) / Dalton Prout ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($5.625m)
Curtis McElhinney ($0.600m)
BUYOUTS
R.J. Umberger ($0.000m)
Mike Commodore ($1.142m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,350,476; BONUSES: $2,715,833
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,749,524
Profit.
Edit: My god is JJ's contract a bargain.
Somehow I don't think the NHL will let us buyout Umberger for free.
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