Im so confused by your 2 posts. We don't need skill players because we have hard working 2-way guys throughout the lineup but you want to trade Jenner anyway?
2014 CBJ Offseason Thread III (All proposals, "blog" rumors, speculation in here)
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Im so confused by your 2 posts. We don't need skill players because we have hard working 2-way guys throughout the lineup but you want to trade Jenner anyway?
Jarmo seems to have sent a pretty clear message that we are probably going to go with what we got leaving room for a young guy or two to step up. I have to wonder if Jarmo has given any serious consideration to any of the proposals being made on this board.
Cowumbus
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the idea that we have to trade for a player because of his nationality, or because of the nationality of one of our prospects, is laughable.
also borderline that you assume that Wennberg somehow couldn't function without a fellow countryman on the team.
SuperGenius
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I guess one way to get it to be you versus "us" is to come up with crappy ideas like trading Jenner and Wiz. I'd like to think you're not serious here. I mean, I get why you want to trade Wiz - you've made it clear at nearly every opportunity that you don't want him on this team. But Jenner? You cannot be serious.
On to your post, you're all over the place here. Horton is a mistake even though you acknowledge he was hurt, yet Foligno is a difference maker if he's not hurt. Why not give Horton the same consideration?
Jenner gets love because he did what he did as a rookie with no significant pro experience. It is natural to believe that he will progress based on a few things, not the least of which is his attitude. I do not necessarily see him as a top line player, but he's going to be a steady top six guy, a leader and a pain in the ass to play against for years to come as he learns the game. Jenner was also at his very best as the season wore on. It would be interesting to see your HARD stats on the last 20 games + playoffs and see where he lands.
Calvert and Foligno are fine players, and there's no mass group of 'you guys' who think we must trade them. No idea where the angst is coming from...
PS, is it possible you could reconsider your constant use of 'you guys' as if there were some collective group of people that you're addressing (lecturing). I'm sure you may have noticed by now that there are as many opinions as there are posters here. If you constantly feel like you're the only one who knows what he's talking about here, I guess you could continue to believe that you're the only one with any sense, or perhaps, just perhaps, you might be the one not thinking as clearly as 'the rest of us' because of some personal prejudices.
SuperGenius
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Paajarvi sucks. CBJ have better options internally. I would've give up just the 3rd for him.
cbjfaninmo
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I imagine AA will be traded at some point. But it won't be soon, and so the prospect of trading him now is speculative enough that criticizing it is not being "obtuse".
You do this thing where things have been "asked and answered". Well if it's not important enough for you to articulate what's been asked and answered, then it isn't important enough for me to go back through the thread to see what the answer was.
hardkorejackets
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Trading Jenner?? Are you serious? That's so far out there in the land of never happening, that I'm not nor ever will be worried about what it "might" get us.
Double-Shift Lasse
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Those things have been 'asked and answered' in this sub-thread that you've been involved in from the beginning. That's why I'm not answering/addressing them again. You shouldn't need it to be artculated to you - you've been part of the discussion. You told me that asking the same question twice even though it's already been answered was just being consistent. I said it's as though you never read the original reply - or you're doing it in purpose. Whether you can't be bothered to actually read what's being posted in counter to you it whether you're purposefully ignoring it - either way don't try to pin it in me.
Jive Pawnbroker
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I am just glad that the Jackets have players like Arty and Foligno around who are options both in the short term and long.
If he gets rid of the 'you guys' thing then how else will he get to play the victim when the rest of us disagree with him?
Cowumbus
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I'm saying Wennberg could get paajarvi going possibly.. I think having two people from Sweden on a line could be beneficial
And I wanted to trade for him bc I think he is a good player not bc he is Swedish I'm just saying playing in columbus with a sweed could help him possibly
Don't need to be such a Choch about everything
CapnCornelius
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You talk about the "hard stats" as some sort of justification for trading Jenner (nevermind it was his first year as a pro...) and then you want to trade the player with our best possession stats in Wisniewski? He was also our best defenseman in goals scored and was second on the TEAM in points. Are you kidding me?
So, to answer the question, if you are giving up a guy capable of possibly being a second line center on another team within the next 2-3 years and our best defenseman based on every possible statistical metric other than plus/minus, where he was even, I'd say it had better be one HELL of a return.
I for one am satisfied with the job JK is doing. I believe he has shown a comfort level with the team we had last year. I believe he is expecting an improvement (hard not to expect) from Horton. He has made an upgrade with Hartnell over Umby giving us some additional offensive potential. Ryan Johansen will be signed to a bridge contract which will avoid strapping the team financially (My guess is 5.5 to 6.5 for 2 years similar to Bob's 2 yr contract). He signed Dubinsky on a long term contract as he embodies the definition of what "playing like a Blue Jacket" means. He will wear the "C" soon. Arty and Foligno are quality forwards who deserve the right to continue to maintain or even improve their performances. Letestu will anchor a solid 4th line with any number of options...Boll, D'Amigo, Calvert, Tropp Gibbons and Hjarlmarsson,. On defense we have JMFJ, Tyuts, Wiz, who are all serviceable.We have the luxury of expecting improvement from Jenner and Atkinson on offense and Murray, Prout, Savard, Erixon and Golubeuf on defense. They are young enough to expect improvement with another year of experience. Our goaltending should be "stable to improved"if Bob plays between last year's and his Vezina year performance.
Having said that we are very fortunate to have Wennberg, Dano, Rychel and Bjorkstrand vying for roster spots. If they don't make it, maturing in the AHL or being available for call ups leaves me loving our depth. (I know Bjorkstrand would go back to Portland if he doesn't make the squad out of camp). IF any of these guys excel in training camp, making a vet "tradeable", then a trade can be made at the beginning of the year or at the trade deadline.
This is all being done while maintaining financial flexibility. Not much to complain about from my perspective.
Having said that we are very fortunate to have Wennberg, Dano, Rychel and Bjorkstrand vying for roster spots. If they don't make it, maturing in the AHL or being available for call ups leaves me loving our depth. (I know Bjorkstrand would go back to Portland if he doesn't make the squad out of camp). IF any of these guys excel in training camp, making a vet "tradeable", then a trade can be made at the beginning of the year or at the trade deadline.
This is all being done while maintaining financial flexibility. Not much to complain about from my perspective.
cbjfaninmo
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So, is JK done and waiting to see what he has coming out of camp and the beginning of the season? Or do we see him make another move? Right now, I say he is done.
I think he stays pat until after camp is underway, unless someone offers us something we can't refuse.
cbjfaninmo
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candyman82
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We've got too many of our own guys to try to re-sign to go crazy signing guys from other teams.
