EspenK
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I think there is one. Could be he's a guy who just isn't willing to do the things he needs to do to make it in the NHL? If so let's trade him before everyone figures it out.
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I think there is one. Could be he's a guy who just isn't willing to do the things he needs to do to make it in the NHL? If so let's trade him before everyone figures it out.
Double-Shift Lasse
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Sure but he's RFA and the opportunity to work him into a deal as a plus piece is gone, IMO. Someone's going to want to know why you aren't planning to bring back a kid with supposed upside. As his third organization at age (wow, he's 23... I did not know that), CBJ might be left holding the bag if it's something as simple as you suggest.
Now, because it's my nature I guess, I don't think it's something as simple as "kid doesn't have the drive."
He received a qualifying offer, right?
Erixon received a qualifying offer but I'd like to know if the QO was a two-way or one-way. Something else Portzline has whiffed on.
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Future of the Blue Jackets
As I look at the roster in terms of salary cap projection here is what I see for the forward group:
Locked for the next 5 years (either signed or hopefully will be)
Horton
Hartnell
Joey
Jenner
Dubi
Guys who can be signed for the next 5 or thereabouts:
Foligno
Anisimov
Cam
Calvert
That is 9 guys or our top 3 lines
My question is who goes to make room for the new guys to move into the line-up?
My guesses:
Anisimov is traded sometime after the upcoming season
Cam is traded unless he really shows consistency next season
Calvert is moved to the 4th line
Foligno is least likely to be moved but could be if an extension isn't worked out.
In all cases for the question marks, I see 2-3 year extensions being offered to maintain flexibility and tradeability.
As I look at the roster in terms of salary cap projection here is what I see for the forward group:
Locked for the next 5 years (either signed or hopefully will be)
Horton
Hartnell
Joey
Jenner
Dubi
Guys who can be signed for the next 5 or thereabouts:
Foligno
Anisimov
Cam
Calvert
That is 9 guys or our top 3 lines
My question is who goes to make room for the new guys to move into the line-up?
My guesses:
Anisimov is traded sometime after the upcoming season
Cam is traded unless he really shows consistency next season
Calvert is moved to the 4th line
Foligno is least likely to be moved but could be if an extension isn't worked out.
In all cases for the question marks, I see 2-3 year extensions being offered to maintain flexibility and tradeability.
Foligno might be difficult to retain in UFA, especially if he has another good year this year. I think he's looking at at least $5 mil on the open market. Do we really want that much tied up in wingers? Horton and Hartnell will be eating over $10 mil for the next 5+ years. I think the better buy is signing Cam and Calvert to two-year bridge deals next summer and go from there. Hopefully one or two of our prospects will be ready for top 9 time then as well. Anisimov is the wild card. He's signed for 2 more years, but I don't know how the FO feels about him.
I'm also expecting to lose Letestu next summer, which is a shame. He's underrated around here and it's a luxury to have a 30-point guy on our 4th line. Guy will get paid next summer, book it.
2015-2016 top 9 should consist of something like:
Johansen, Horton, Jenner, Hartnell, Dubinsky, Atkinson, Calvert, Anisimov, Rychel/Wennberg/TBD Free Agent
I'm also expecting to lose Letestu next summer, which is a shame. He's underrated around here and it's a luxury to have a 30-point guy on our 4th line. Guy will get paid next summer, book it.
2015-2016 top 9 should consist of something like:
Johansen, Horton, Jenner, Hartnell, Dubinsky, Atkinson, Calvert, Anisimov, Rychel/Wennberg/TBD Free Agent
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I think if Foligno will take around 4 mill for three years he could fit in longer term. Key here is I think he has to be a in-season extension or else he will probably go the UFA route in which case he is probably shopped at the deadline.
I also agree that Cam and Calvert are likely 2 year deal guys. Calvert could be longer if he is willing to take say 2 mill for 4 years. He'd be a great 4th liner imo and someone who could play up on the third line if needed.
I also agree that Cam and Calvert are likely 2 year deal guys. Calvert could be longer if he is willing to take say 2 mill for 4 years. He'd be a great 4th liner imo and someone who could play up on the third line if needed.
I agree with all of this, except I don't think Calvert will make it that easy for you to cut his minutes. It's unlikely that all of our top forward prospects will be better than he will be in his prime, it could be just Wennberg and one other.
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I agree, Calvert has already proven to be extremely valuable to this team and I think there is still some offense hiding there. He was on pace for 13 goals and 35 points so I don't think it's too much to think that would could see 15 goals and 35-40 points. I'm just hoping these injuries don't keep up
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Wisniewski or tyutin
2015 1st
2016 2nd / Erixson
For
Eberle
Any takers?
Then sign Del Zotto
Jenner Johansen Eberle
Hartnell Dubinsky Horton
Foligno Anisimov Atkinson
Calvert Letestu D'Amigo
Johnson Tyutin
Murray MDZ
Savard Prout
Bob
2015 1st
2016 2nd / Erixson
For
Eberle
Any takers?
Then sign Del Zotto
Jenner Johansen Eberle
Hartnell Dubinsky Horton
Foligno Anisimov Atkinson
Calvert Letestu D'Amigo
Johnson Tyutin
Murray MDZ
Savard Prout
Bob
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Wiz has a no-movement clause and a modified no trade clause. No way he waives to go to Edmonton.
Also, that package is mind-boggling overpayment.
Nah. I think underpayment. But even I am tired of the Eberle talk. Perhaps someday the Oilers will crack in their desperation for an Anisimov level player (currently their 2C looks like Arcobello
). Until then, meh.And MDZ is not going to make our roster if we sign him. There's a reason he just got dumped by two teams. Erixon and Golo are both better, and Prout if he's on his game.
If we add a defenceman, it better be a veteran. We already have more than enough NHL quality youngsters.
Sore Loser
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I don't normally just outright say stuff like this, but ... you gotta stop posting your trade ideas. They're typically terrible from one perspective or another, and wouldn't work.
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Geez, MDZ on this team? No thanks. Although he would immediately take all the heat off Jared Boll. 
I don't ever recall ever seeing a "Letestu Appreciation" thread on this board.
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Seriously, what is your obsession with trading Anisimov? Why? It makes no sense. He's a solid 2 way player, one of our best penalty killers, our best forward in the shootout, and he's signed to a very reasonable deal. He's very flexible as he can play anywhere in the lineup. You are obsessed with running this guy out of town and have yet to produce a legitimate reason for doing so.
...and please don't tell me your reason is because we have prospects who also play center.
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Could it be we were extremely deep on defense and their wasn't room for him? and it made more sense to let him keep developing playing big minutes rather than be a healthy scratch?
And then we let Nikitin go without replacing him because we have guys like Prout and Erixon ready to step in?
How is Anisimov a "wild card" - this front office just signed him to an extension and have done nothing but praise him in their comments about him.
Any basis for this speculation?
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First off I am not obsessed with trading him. As a matter of fact at the present time I don't advocate trading him. What I said is that I see him as the most logical guy of the top 9 to trade sometime to help clear the log jam of top 9 (and potential top 9) forwards.
My reason as to why he is a very logical player to move - He could bring good return for the reasons you state and although you seem to dismiss this, we have prospects who can play center and have to play somewhere. There is simply not enough room to keep all current top 9 for the next 5 years plus and work the prospects into the line-up. Arty could/will probably command a salary north of 4.5 mill a year as a UFA in two years. Now we have $ to consider in the equation. Again probably not going to be cap room to pay all the faves 4.5 plus for 5 year terms. If we aren't going to pay him then we should trade him (hopefully for more than we got for Gabby) while the return is the highest - probably at the end of the upcoming season.
If for some reason Foligno or Dubi is traded or walk as a FA then my thinking probably changes. Same as if Wennberg tanks in Springfield or projects as a forward rather than a center.
But as things stand now, someone will have to go (you do realize that don't you?) and to me Arty is a logical one to move.
Thanks for clearing that up, I was totally arguing that we needed to keep the exact same lineup for next 5 years.
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Thanks for clearing that up, I was totally arguing that we needed to keep the exact same lineup for next 5 years.
talk about cherry picking. Trying to have an intelligent conversation with you is impossible. I give up.
