2014 CBJ Offseason Thread II (All proposals, "blog" rumors, speculation in here)

[cbjfaninmo]

Going to be an interesting off season. One where half of us are pissed off and the other half happy.

I hope there is no dissension on this board after the off season.

 

[EspenK]

So still we have people who wan't to get rid of Anisimov here in the next couple years. Or even Foligno. You want to make the team better? The only young guy that has a chance to meet the impact of Foligno or Arty in the next couple years is Wennberg. Even the odds of that aren't very high. And if that's the case and our center depth is still a strong point then wouldn't it make more sense to get rid or Letestu? Or Mackenzie. Without the "grit" of Mackenzie, Artem is just as effective as both offensively and defensively. He's just better. And lets not forget that both him and Foligno are still only 25.

Anisimov can literally play any position, any on-ice situation, and any role needed on the ice and not look out of place. If anybody deserves the Ryan Murray "everything good, nothing great" tagline it's probably him. And there's lots of value in that. It may not be as noticeable as some of the more offensively hyped guys who you want to bring in to make our team better, but its there.

So by your way of thinking we can skip drafting forwards until the present group approaches 32 or so? I don't think anyone WANTS to get rid of Arty or Foligno its just that if a guy or two is added via FA and a couple of the kids develop as planned we have to get rid of someone. So I"ll ask the same question I asked before - who else is a viable candidate out of the top 9 to move if we need/want to move someone. Keep in mind both Arty & Foligno are going to be UFA's in the next couple of years and salary demands may become an issue.

 

[Xoggz22]

I hope there is no dissension on this board after the off season.

That's reserved for in-season only.

 

[EspenK]

That's reserved for in-season only.

I disagree

 

[Samkow]

Why do I have the feeling that move would cement JK's reputation as a rookie GM? I don't like the thought of a big run at Callahan, myself

I think there's like a 90% chance that Callahan is a Blue Jacket July 1st. No rumors, just based on a whole lot of signs saying this. Trying to get excited.

Really leery about potentially having both Horton/Callahan turning into injury riddled cap blackholes.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I think there's like a 90% chance that Callahan is a Blue Jacket July 1st. No rumors, just based on a whole lot of signs saying this. Trying to get excited.

Really leery about potentially having both Horton/Callahan turning into injury riddled cap blackholes.

What signs? The fact we were interested at the deadline and he plays a gritty game with some history between him and a few current CBJers?

 

[Samkow]

What signs? The fact we were interested at the deadline and he plays a gritty game with some history between him and a few current CBJers?

-Multiple past rumors
-The time we traded the playoff goal scoring leader because he didn't fit "the style", which Callahan seems to fit perfectly. Regardless of whether it was a bad move, I think it shows Jarmo's serious about building a team full of Callahan type players.
- Callahan fits the Horton profile (guy whose family concerns are going to play a big role in where he signs) which makes Columbus a very attractive destination for him.
-All the former Rangers here (I think him and Dubinsky are best friends?)
-Umberger, who can be described as a poor man's Callahan, demanding out.

 

[BluejacketNut]

I hope we dont go after Callahan, we need another 30g 50p type player.

 

[cbjfaninmo]

I hope we dont go after Callahan, we need another 30g 50p type player.

Signing Callahan would trump the Gabby trade.

 

[major major]

So by your way of thinking we can skip drafting forwards until the present group approaches 32 or so? I don't think anyone WANTS to get rid of Arty or Foligno its just that if a guy or two is added via FA and a couple of the kids develop as planned we have to get rid of someone. So I"ll ask the same question I asked before - who else is a viable candidate out of the top 9 to move if we need/want to move someone. Keep in mind both Arty & Foligno are going to be UFA's in the next couple of years and salary demands may become an issue.

I think its an excellent question.

I want to preface this list by saying there's no necessity for us to add a prospect to the roster or for us to not turn around and ship out a guy we signed in UFA two years earlier. We could be trading Wennberg or Horton in a few years.

But if its guys we currently have moving out, this is a list in order of those I'd least want to move:

Johansen
Dubinsky
Jenner
Foligno

Calvert
Mackenzie
Anisimov

Atkinson
Letestu
Horton

Umberger

This list isn't in order of good players to bad, its more in terms of replacability. I think Wennberg is probably going to be a better scorer than Foligno, but I think what Foligno does is harder to replace. That's why I have this incredulous feeling when I see people mentioning him as a candidate to move out in the next couple years. It'll be really hard to persuade me that we should move out any of these five:

Johansen
Dubinsky
Jenner
Foligno
Calvert

 

[EspenK]

I think its an excellent question.

I want to preface this list by saying there's no necessity for us to add a prospect to the roster or for us to not turn around and ship out a guy we signed in UFA two years earlier. We could be trading Wennberg or Horton in a few years.

But if its guys we currently have moving out, this is a list in order of those I'd least want to move:

Johansen
Dubinsky
Jenner
Foligno

Calvert
Mackenzie
Anisimov

Atkinson
Letestu
Horton

Umberger

This list isn't in order of good players to bad, its more in terms of replacability. I think Wennberg is probably going to be a better scorer than Foligno, but I think what Foligno does is harder to replace. That's why I have this incredulous feeling when I see people mentioning him as a candidate to move out in the next couple years. It'll be really hard to persuade me that we should move out any of these five:

Johansen
Dubinsky
Jenner
Foligno
Calvert

I don't have issues with your list but I'd be less inclined to move Horton and more inclined to move Foligno than you. Again not saying I want to move him just that I wouldn't consider him in the same group as Joey, Jenner & Dubi.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I think its an excellent question.

I want to preface this list by saying there's no necessity for us to add a prospect to the roster or for us to not turn around and ship out a guy we signed in UFA two years earlier. We could be trading Wennberg or Horton in a few years.

But if its guys we currently have moving out, this is a list in order of those I'd least want to move:

Johansen
Dubinsky
Jenner
Foligno

Calvert
Mackenzie
Anisimov

Atkinson
Letestu
Horton

Umberger

This list isn't in order of good players to bad, its more in terms of replacability. I think Wennberg is probably going to be a better scorer than Foligno, but I think what Foligno does is harder to replace. That's why I have this incredulous feeling when I see people mentioning him as a candidate to move out in the next couple years. It'll be really hard to persuade me that we should move out any of these five:

Johansen
Dubinsky
Jenner
Foligno
Calvert

Interesting post. I guess I could get bogged down in details and point-by-point it but in the end, your categories -- I'm pretty much spot on with you.

 

[EspenK]

I hope we dont go after Callahan, we need another 30g 50p type player.

I just reviewed his stats and frankly they aren't that impressive . Plus his salary/term wants and his injury history make me hope he really likes Tampa.

 

[EspenK]

Not much too see here but it doesn't give a lot of hope that FA is a track we will be pursuing. I just don't want to see the same 13 or 14 forwards as last year.

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2014/06/12/roster-decisions-due-as-draft-free-agency-near.html

 

[Xoggz22]

Not much too see here but it doesn't give a lot of hope that FA is a track we will be pursuing. I just don't want to see the same 13 or 14 forwards as last year.

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2014/06/12/roster-decisions-due-as-draft-free-agency-near.html

our FA could be viewed as Horton. Given he didn't play last year this will be like a new addition. I just don't see how the CBJ would be active if they believe they have a chance to grow internally and want to extend Dubi and Filigno. There is no shortage of promise in the pipeline and no guarantee a FA changes the fortunes. Seems the thought is to grow from within or through trade. There are very few UFA's I, personally, have interest in and think the overpayment, be it money OR term, would be more detrimental long term for this team. Maybe we see short term gain but I guess I am ne who would prefer to see our prospects grow and help this team. Trades would be the other option. Who to move though...

 

[Jackets16]

I have no problem just trading Umberger and replacing him from within. Plus, maybe one more move. I like our team and don't really like who is available in FA.

 

[EspenK]

The problem I have with the team is no 2nd line RW. Who is going to play there? Skille? oh boy. Look out Kings.

 

[Fro]

i'm fairly certain that Foligno - Joey - Horton is all but penned in for next year...so yes...we need to add some scoring to the Arty line...

 

[EspenK]

i'm fairly certain that Foligno - Joey - Horton is all but penned in for next year...so yes...we need to add some scoring to the Arty line...

Where's Jenner going? I thought he played well with Joey. But regardless we are still one top 6 forward short.

 

[Fro]

Where's Jenner going? I thought he played well with Joey. But regardless we are still one top 6 forward short.

Foligno and Joey were our best fancy stats combo...

 

[Kev22]

Where's Jenner going? I thought he played well with Joey. But regardless we are still one top 6 forward short.

I still disagree. I think we are 2 top six forwards short of being a real contender. Foligno and Jenner are both #2-3 line types. Jenner is capable of top line duty as evidenced in the playoffs, but I think would flourish on the second line. Moving Calvert down with MacKenzie and Letestu might make that the best fourth line in the league.

They may hold pat since they have to re-sign Johansen, Prout, Erixon, Goloubef and Savard this year and begin to look at extending Dubinsky, Foligno and Bobrovsky. They might want to solidify the core and then see what's left. If they do stand pat, what does the lineup look like?

Jenner-Johansen-Horton
Foligno-Anisimov-Atkinson
Calvert-Dubinsky-Skille
Boll-MacKenzie-Letestu

 

[Samkow]

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com...-decisions-due-as-draft-free-agency-near.html

As of today, it appears the Blue Jackets would like to re-sign forwards Derek MacKenzie and Jack Skille and goaltender Curtis McElhinney. But there have been no talks with defensemen Nikita Nikitin and Nick Schultz and forward Blake Comeau, suggesting they will be allowed to test the market.

 

[CBJx614]

I have no problem just trading Umberger and replacing him from within. Plus, maybe one more move. I like our team and don't really like who is available in FA.

Exactly how I feel. I feel like if we're gonna trade for anyone he needs to be involved in a deal for umberger. Let the young guys take a step..and if by the deadline players haven't done what you expected then you make a move.

 

[EspenK]

Where's Jenner going? I thought he played well with Joey. But regardless we are still one top 6 forward short.

I still disagree. Ik we are 2 top six forwards short of being a real contender. Foligno and Jenner are both #2-3 line types. Jenner is capable of top line duty as evidenced in the playoffs, but I think would flourish on the second line. Moving Calvert down with MacKenzie and Letestu might make that the best fourth line in the league.

They may hold pat since they have to re-sign Johansen, Prout, Erixon, Goloubef and Savard this year and begin to look at extending Dubinsky, Foligno and Bobrovsky. They might want to solidify the core and then see what's left. If they do stand pat, what does the lineup look like?

Jenner-Johansen-Horton
Foligno-Anisimov-Atkinson
Calvert-Dubinsky-Skille
Boll-MacKenzie-Letestu

I think Skille and Atkinson switch. There is chemistry with Dubi & Calvert that I think needs to stay.

And I don't disagree with the bolded part I was referring to the top 6 (5) that we would have.

 

[Nordique]

I still disagree. I think we are 2 top six forwards short of being a real contender. Foligno and Jenner are both #2-3 line types. Jenner is capable of top line duty as evidenced in the playoffs, but I think would flourish on the second line. Moving Calvert down with MacKenzie and Letestu might make that the best fourth line in the league.

They may hold pat since they have to re-sign Johansen, Prout, Erixon, Goloubef and Savard this year and begin to look at extending Dubinsky, Foligno and Bobrovsky. They might want to solidify the core and then see what's left. If they do stand pat, what does the lineup look like?

Jenner-Johansen-Horton
Foligno-Anisimov-Atkinson
Calvert-Dubinsky-Skille
Boll-MacKenzie-Letestu

This is the most believable projected lineup I've seen. I do not see us bringing in any big name UFA's.