2014 CBJ Offseason Thread II (All proposals, "blog" rumors, speculation in here)

[major major]

I too think it would be wise to see what could be had for Tyutin at this point in time. Maybe not this offseason, but if Murray, Erixon or any other top-4 option come out in the fall and are extremely impressive it could be explored.

The problem I have with waiting is 1) near certainty that Erixon and Golo are ready and 2) reduced trade value when guys are scratched / minutes reduced and teams rosters aren't as flexible.

 

[Xoggz22]

The only thing about all these trades everyone proposes is the fact that Hjalmarsson and Wennberg have a legitimate shot t make the team this year. Hjalmarsson was a hot commodity that we won out on and I think he is the "speed" JK wanted to add in the off-season, and Wennberg very well may be the "skill"

Of course it's all speculation, but I think it's going to be a battle for roster spots this year.

I think both have a chance to make the roster but also think we have the depth to also allow them to adjust in the AHL. Regardless, I don't think either "improve" the top 6 next year. Long term? Absolutely. We still have a lot of 2/3 tweeners and little solid top line options.

Last year showed this team can play well as a team. Solid work ethic and two way play. I believe having a little higher threat to push the offense takes this team to the next level and makes everyone better. I'm not thinking superstar but simply someone, or two, that can force different match ups in the offensive zone. No doubt the top 6 looks promising long term and I think we can have a third line more like a second but there are a lot of question marks about top line potential.

we all have players we like and are great fits but its likely a favorite or two might get moved to upgrade this team. Joey and Murray may be the only players not discussed in trades to upgrade thus team. Bob may be the other possibility. This is not to say I want us to move Foligno, Dubi, JJ, etc. but the possibility exists.

 

[CBJx614]

I think both have a chance to make the roster but also think we have the depth to also allow them to adjust in the AHL. Regardless, I don't think either "improve" the top 6 next year. Long term? Absolutely. We still have a lot of 2/3 tweeners and little solid top line options.

Last year showed this team can play well as a team. Solid work ethic and two way play. I believe having a little higher threat to push the offense takes this team to the next level and makes everyone better. I'm not thinking superstar but simply someone, or two, that can force different matchups in the offensive zone. No doubt the top 6 looks promising long term and I think we can have a third line more like a second but there are a lot of question marks abot top line potential.

we all have players we like and are great fits but its likely a favorite or two might get moved to upgrade this team. Joey may be the only.player not discussed in trades to upgrade thus team. Bob may be the other possibility. This is not to say I want us to move Foligno, Dubi, JJ, etc. but the possibility exists.

I agrre, however I definitely wouldn't move Murray fordamn near anything. But having said that I'm not opposed to the right trade t make us better in the long term. But I'd rather add a player from FA

 

[EDM]

I kind of like the idea of adding Vanek and his skill set to a line with Joey & Boone. Boone would provide the corner work while Vanek and Joey would open things up for each other. Just a thought.

From what I have read in the Tampa media, there are series negotiations there with Callahan.

 

[Xoggz22]

I agrre, however I definitely wouldn't move Murray fordamn near anything. But having said that I'm not opposed to the right trade t make us better in the long term. But I'd rather add a player from FA

I agree and will change my post. Murray is another I simply don't see moving. I'm coming off travels to and from Budapest so my brain is 100% there. Granted some of you think that on other occasions as well. There are others but my post was mainly referring to the fact that players most of of deem critical to the current CBJ as fans could somehow find their way into a deal. I see Foligno as one of those guys. I don't know anyone that would want to move him but to upgrade it certainly could happen.

 

[EspenK]

I agree and will change my post. Murray is another I simply don't see moving. I'm coming off travels to and from Budapest so my brain is 100% there. Granted some of you think that on other occasions as well. There are others but my post was mainly referring to the fact that players most of of deem critical to the current CBJ as fans could somehow find their way into a deal. I see Foligno as one of those guys. I don't know anyone that would want to move him but to upgrade it certainly could happen.

I had some clever response but on further review decided it too was in Budapest.

 

[Fro]

Eklund says we're going to be in on Mason Raymond...along with Winnepeg...

 

[Kev22]

Eklund's latest Hockeybuzz Rumors has us in on Mason Raymond as well as Winnipeg. My question with him is if he's a second line player. Seems like he'd make more sense as a third liner.

 

[EspenK]

Eklund's latest Hockeybuzz Rumors has us in on Mason Raymond as well as Winnipeg. My question with him is if he's a second line player. Seems like he'd make more sense as a third liner.

At the moment since there is a blur between our 2nd & 3rd lines I think he fits somehere probably on Arty's line.

 

[Kev22]

At the moment since there is a blur between our 2nd & 3rd lines I think he fits somehere probably on Arty's line.

Signing Raymond I would think has got to be a second or third option in regard to upgrading skill and speed. If he becomes a center piece of our offseason, count me in the failure column.

 

[Sore Loser]

Signing Raymond I would think has got to be a second or third option in regard to upgrading skill and speed. If he becomes a center piece of our offseason, count me in the failure column.

Seconded. I don't think Raymond alone makes us all that much better; he's just another depth piece.

 

[stevo61]

Signing Raymond I would think has got to be a second or third option in regard to upgrading skill and speed. If he becomes a center piece of our offseason, count me in the failure column.

I think he would be more of a backup plan. If nothing else came our way he would replace Umberger's offense while adding some speed.

 

[cbjfaninmo]

Seconded. I don't think Raymond alone makes us all that much better; he's just another depth piece.

Thirded. Upgrade is the key word. We need to upgrade.

 

[Samkow]

Count me in on the Raymond pile on. He has no business being anything more than a role player on even a halfway decent team.

 

[blahblah]

Count me in on the Raymond pile on. He has no business being anything more than a role player on even a halfway decent team.

Raymond is a solid player that can play bigger minutes in the event of injury. His play fits in fairly well with what this team does, IMO. I wouldn't think the Jackets would be looking to put him in a top six role if we acquired him, but he's still quite a valuable player.

I think we are close to the same page, but you sound kind of harsh here.

 

[Samkow]

Raymond is a solid player that can play bigger minutes in the event of injury. His play fits in fairly well with what this team does, IMO. I wouldn't think the Jackets would be looking to put him in a top six role if we acquired him, but he's still quite a valuable player.

I think we are close to the same page, but you sound kind of harsh here.

Just see him as a very poor fit for this club. Soft, one dimensional player who's allergic to defense.

 

[Jackets16]

Signing Raymond I would think has got to be a second or third option in regard to upgrading skill and speed. If he becomes a center piece of our offseason, count me in the failure column.

We could do nothing and I wouldn't count it as a failure. I just don't see the need to make crazy moves this year.

 

[FreeBoomer61]

Jarmo has made it clear that he is going to upgrade the speed and skill on this team over the summer. I'm all for adding Raymond solely as a depth player to take RJ's place, but that will not be enough. Who else is there to target that is reasonable that would fit the bill the front office is looking for? I don't necessarily think Callahan ends up here, so who else? Trade more likely?

 

[Viqsi]

Jarmo has made it clear that he is going to upgrade the speed and skill on this team over the summer. I'm all for adding Raymond solely as a depth player to take RJ's place, but that will not be enough. Who else is there to target that is reasonable that would fit the bill the front office is looking for? I don't necessarily think Callahan ends up here, so who else? Trade more likely?

He'd be an upgrade in speed, to be sure, but the only way he'd avoid being a downgrade in production is that Umberger is already declining while Raymond has a few years of fair-to-middlin' production left. These past two years are the only time he's ever outscored RJ, and that has less to do with Raymond doing any better and more to do with Umby's decline. Count me skeptical.

 

[Sore Loser]

I agree, FB61 ... but, where does Raymond fit in on our left side, with Jenner, Foligno, and Calvert all very capable of top-9 roles?

I see it as wasted money, unless the plan is to parlay one of those three into a top-2 line RW ... which I really don't see happening. All three are long-term core pieces for us, IMO.

I think Raymond would at best battle Calvert for a third line spot and be a fill-in player. No need to throw $3-$4 million per year at him for that.

 

[FreeBoomer61]

If I remember correctly, JD/Jarmo were interested in making a move for Mike Cammalleri at the deadline. I saw a tweet earlier that the Flames were only willing to give him 5MM/year, but he could definitely fetch 6 on the open market. Would it be realistic to sign him?

Cammalleri-Johansen-Jenner
Foligno-Anisimov-Horton
Calvert-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Raymond?-MacKenzie-Letestu

 

[EspenK]

I agree, FB61 ... but, where does Raymond fit in on our left side, with Jenner, Foligno, and Calvert all very capable of top-9 roles?

I see it as wasted money, unless the plan is to parlay one of those three into a top-2 line RW ... which I really don't see happening. All three are long-term core pieces for us, IMO.

I think Raymond would at best battle Calvert for a third line spot and be a fill-in player. No need to throw $3-$4 million per year at him for that.

Raymond made $1 million last year. You really think it would cost 3-4 to get him? Seems high.

Last year he was at 46 pts, Calvert was at 24 in 56 games, with a liberal extrapolation he would have had 36 had he played all 82. If we are going to roll 4 lines doesn't a Raymond-Dubi-Calvert line and a Calvert-Letestu-Mackenzie line work pretty well? Still need that top 6 RW but that's another story.

 

[Sore Loser]

Raymond made $1 million last year. You really think it would cost 3-4 to get him? Seems high.

Last year he was at 46 pts, Calvert was at 24 in 56 games, with a liberal extrapolation he would have had 36 had he played all 82. If we are going to roll 4 lines doesn't a Raymond-Dubi-Calvert line and a Calvert-Letestu-Mackenzie line work pretty well? Still need that top 6 RW but that's another story.

Short answer, yes. With a weaker free agent market this year, Raymond is one of the top left wingers available. In an era when RJ Umberger makes over $5m/year, Mason Raymond makes at least $3.

 

[blahblah]

Just see him as a very poor fit for this club. Soft, one dimensional player who's allergic to defense.

I don't find him soft or allergic to defense. Interesting.

 

[stevo61]

I don't find him soft or allergic to defense. Interesting.

This grabbed my attention aswell. He's actually not bad defensively and a pretty decent penalty killer