Salary Cap: 2014/2015 New York Rangers roster & salary cap

[RangerBoy]

According to stop coaching Pat,Sather and Gorton have a number for Stralman

He makes $1.7 million per year now. Sather and Gorton would rather not pay him any more than $3 million annually on his next contract, but the market is lucrative for defensemen, as evidenced by Philadelphia's six-year, $30 million extension for the left-handed Andrew MacDonald. Plus, the Rangers' Ryan McDonagh and Dan Girardi already are locked up to long-term deals, and Marc Staal could be signing a similar extension this offseason.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/h...alman-respect-article-1.1779231#ixzz33uDJRjep

The Rangers reportedly offered Stralman 3 years and $9M. The offer was rejected.

The Rangers will be victims of their own success. Every player wants more money. They can't keep all of them.

 

[TheTakedown]

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The Rangers are probably one of the teams. 22 year old. Costs only money.

oooo......

They could afford to give him a max ELC no problem.. that'd be awesome

 

[bernmeister]

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Unfortunately I think the Rangers have put themselves in a position where someone significant will likely need to be traded.

Agree. Maybe 2+ big names go to create flexibility for other deals.

Even if they replace key role players like Moore and Boyle with cheaper, unproven alternatives, they're going to probably going to take a hit in the locker room as both are definitely "glue guys".

Agree, why I'm holding out hope of a big trade so we keep both these guys at higher but still reasonable numbers. No big trade and they are likely both gone.

One could argue that Zucc was easily the team's best forward this season, and he's been very good in the playoffs as well. Arbitration eligible and just had his breakout season? I don't see anything less than 3.75M per getting it done.

Agreed. Depending on other offers, he stays or goes but if going let's sell high in a package.

3rd line center? AV seems less than enamored with JT Miller, so I doubt the Rangers go into next season with Miller as the primary option.

That is entirely sensible and logical.
I proffer it is more sensible and more logical for AV + JT to realize their greater interests rest in a version of the Beatles 'We Can Work It Out'.

Lots of moving pieces, and they range from vital depth pieces to go-to guys. I think this team will look a lot different next fall, for better or for worse.

Mostly agree, but I plead with all to understand the key here is to let the bull run all over you and control you, but to grab the bull by the horns; that is, don't just let guys walk because we can't afford them given market reality. Bundle enough guys with somebody like Girardi and make an attractive enough offer that we can get either a known or potential difference maker for what we are giving up.

That's the ticket!

 

[eco's bones]

I don't think we are in the cup finals without the Klein trade.

I agree. DZ and John Moore were a nightmare always waiting to happen--meaning leaning a lot harder on our top two pair. It would have been all over after 5 games with Pittsburgh.

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

People still *****ing about Klein? He's a 4-6 D that's signed to an entirely reasonable contract, brings a physical edge to his game, and is a RHD.

No reason to move him.

But there's no reason not to consider trading Klein down the road either. He's been steady, but he's very slow given the way the team plays and he's not going to get any faster. The more minutes he's plays, the more his lack of speed is exposed.

A lot depends on who wins a job in training camp/pre-season next year. It's also very likely that the organization will sign someone with a fair amount of experience to fill the 7th d spot--possibility Diaz, but certainly not Faulk (is that how you spell his name--I've forgotten).

 

[Zil]

Klein actually has the best 5-on-5 possession numbers on the team this playoff. Been on the ice for 6 GA at 5-on-5. Him and J. Moore have done a pretty damn good job considering their role. John Moore has been on for 4 GA 5-on-4.

Klein has a 66.1% ZS% going against the most favorable matchups possible. Stralman's is 39.7% against much tougher competition.

The bigger picture is that Girardi and Klein are both on solid contracts and Stralman could get a lot of money as a FA. I mean, Slats could try to trade Klein for a draft pick and use McIlrath on the 3rd pairing, that would save $1.7M

It would behoove the Rangers to try and strike a deal with Stralman between the end of the finals and the start of free agency. Stralman is the kind of player Vigneault's system needs.

 

[aufheben]

Klein's has a 66.1% ZS% going against the most favorable matchups possible. Stralman's is 39.7% against much tougher competition.



It would behoove the Rangers to try and strike a deal with Stralman between the end of the finals and the start of free agency. Stralman is the kind of player Vigneault's system needs.

I'm very well aware of their match-ups, and I'm not saying Klein is better than Stralman, not even close, but that fact is he's been one of our best possession players these playoffs. Trust me, I don't mean any of this as a dig out Stralman, I absolutely love him as a player, and I feel he's been our 2nd best defensemen throughout the postseason.

 

[Cassano]

It would be quite concerning if a competent NHL defender wasn't controlling possession with those favorable match ups.

 

[Ola]

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The Rangers are probably one of the teams. 22 year old. Costs only money.

Interesting kid, I don't know him.

He supposedly had a great POs in the KHL, but 1+7 in 22 games don't scream at you for a 170lbs LW.

What agent is this kid represented by? Someone has pulled some strings here... Could be a good player but the hype is not proportionate.

 

[Ola]

What players are we trading?

Traceable players:
Staal
Kreider
Zucc
Brass
Hagelin
Moore
Klein
Talbot

Am I missing someone? Not easy players to give up. And very few of them gives us any additional cap space...

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

What players are we trading?

Traceable players:
Staal
Kreider
Zucc
Brass
Hagelin
Moore
Klein
Talbot

Am I missing someone? Not easy players to give up. And very few of them gives us any additional cap space...

If by "tradeable", you mean in the literal sense, then sure, keep Kreider on that list...otherwise, what the ****?

 

[Raspewtin]

But there's no reason not to consider trading Klein down the road either. He's been steady, but he's very slow given the way the team plays and he's not going to get any faster. The more minutes he's plays, the more his lack of speed is exposed.

A lot depends on who wins a job in training camp/pre-season next year. It's also very likely that the organization will sign someone with a fair amount of experience to fill the 7th d spot--possibility Diaz, but certainly not Faulk (is that how you spell his name--I've forgotten).

He's a better skater than Girardi.

 

[AHB*]

According to stop coaching Pat,Sather and Gorton have a number for Stralman



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/h...alman-respect-article-1.1779231#ixzz33uDJRjep

The Rangers reportedly offered Stralman 3 years and $9M. The offer was rejected.

The Rangers will be victims of their own success. Every player wants more money. They can't keep all of them.

3 Mil/ at this point would be insulting.

 

[Ola]

If by "tradeable", you mean in the literal sense, then sure, keep Kreider on that list...otherwise, what the ****?

I mean its in literal sense and the list is basically that short!

The rest are UFAs or has NMCs.

I am just replying to the "we will need to trade a couple of players this off-season" talk, the names on that list is either real hard to give up or would only be involved in a real side-ways lateral move at best where we don't save any cap space.

 

[Ola]

3 Mil/ at this point would be insulting.

After this LA series, I think the conclusion is pretty obvious. We will need to get a PMD. Not all will see it, someone will think its about size, and partly that is true too of course, but the big advantage on forehand that LA has on us is Doughty and Voynov. Its so much more effortless for them to get up ice because they get those plays from them two, as compared to us who really has to string together 2-3 good passes to break their forecheck.

We need to get a PMD. You can ask yourself how much we are willing to invest in a blueline. I think we should ask ourselfs how much we are willing to invest in a blueline that is fundamentally flawed.

LAK plays a bit of a east coast game. They take away the ice infront of the net. What exactly is 3 forwards going to do against that? Ask yourself that when watching like Kreider-Step-Nash play when backed up by Stralsy and Staal. I guess they can do what Pat Kane did, skate eight laps around the attacking zone and then score from the high Ozone just inside the blueline like Kane did. But we don't have a Pat Kane...

Against Chicago, LAK let Keith and Seabrook bomb away, it hurt LA and they had push out. And it opened up some ice for the forwards. As it is right now, Kreids-Step-Nash are playing with a Blair Betts and Dom Moore on the blueline. They get very little offensive support. LA collapses infront of their net since they don't have to worry about the pts, and it becomes extremely hard for our forwards to score goals.

We need a PMD.

 

[Beacon]

Sign Stralman, trade Klein, call up Allen. Doesn't kill our squad and we get assets back for Klein. This works only if Stralman doesn't ask for a ridiculous salary, which he might since he is a UFA.

 

[AHB*]

Sign Stralman, trade Klein, call up Allen. Doesn't kill our squad and we get assets back for Klein. This works only if Stralman doesn't ask for a ridiculous salary, which he might since he is a UFA.

Stralman will likely get at least 5 mil. Allen is at a 1.9 cap hit, I believe. That saves 1 Mil in exchanging Klein for Allen. Doesn't do anything and we end up weaker on the backside.

Again it will be Stralman or Staal we are talking about. Not Klein or Stralman. Klein is at a very good cap hit for a top end 3rd pairing D-Man.

 

[haveandare]

After this LA series, I think the conclusion is pretty obvious. We will need to get a PMD. Not all will see it, someone will think its about size, and partly that is true too of course, but the big advantage on forehand that LA has on us is Doughty and Voynov. Its so much more effortless for them to get up ice because they get those plays from them two, as compared to us who really has to string together 2-3 good passes to break their forecheck.

We need to get a PMD. You can ask yourself how much we are willing to invest in a blueline. I think we should ask ourselfs how much we are willing to invest in a blueline that is fundamentally flawed.

LAK plays a bit of a east coast game. They take away the ice infront of the net. What exactly is 3 forwards going to do against that? Ask yourself that when watching like Kreider-Step-Nash play when backed up by Stralsy and Staal. I guess they can do what Pat Kane did, skate eight laps around the attacking zone and then score from the high Ozone just inside the blueline like Kane did. But we don't have a Pat Kane...

Against Chicago, LAK let Keith and Seabrook bomb away, it hurt LA and they had push out. And it opened up some ice for the forwards. As it is right now, Kreids-Step-Nash are playing with a Blair Betts and Dom Moore on the blueline. They get very little offensive support. LA collapses infront of their net since they don't have to worry about the pts, and it becomes extremely hard for our forwards to score goals.

We need a PMD.

I don't really disagree, except that calling a blue line that just made the final "fundamentally flawed" is a bit over the top IMO.

 

[haveandare]

Stralman will likely get at least 5 mil. Allen is at a 1.9 cap hit, I believe. That saves 1 Mil in exchanging Klein for Allen. Doesn't do anything and we end up weaker on the backside.

Again it will be Stralman or Staal we are talking about. Not Klein or Stralman. Klein is at a very good cap hit for a top end 3rd pairing D-Man.

If Stralman wants 5, I'll pack his bags for him. That's insane.

EDIT: Just checked. There are 10 guys in the entire league that make 6+ on D. Guys in the mid/high fives include Seabrook, Burns, Keith, Ekman-Larsson, Bouwmeester. Stralman has been good but I don't think any team that is serious about winning can afford to pay him 5+.

 

[AHB*]

If Stralman wants 5, I'll pack his bags for him. That's insane.

EDIT: Just checked. There are 10 guys in the entire league that make 6+ on D. Guys in the mid/high fives include Seabrook, Burns, Keith, Ekman-Larsson, Bouwmeester. Stralman has been good but I don't think any team that is serious about winning can afford to pay him 5+.

You're quoting deals that were mostly signed in the old NHL cap-world, sans JBo I believe.

Those long term, front loaded deals aren't there anymore.

The best comparable would be McDonald. I personally think Stralman is better then him. He got 5 Mil per from Philly. I guarantee that's the contract they're going to use in negotiations.

 

[haveandare]

You're quoting deals that were mostly signed in the old NHL cap-world, sans JBo I believe.

Those long term, front loaded deals aren't there anymore.

The best comparable would be McDonald. I personally think Stralman is better then him. He got 5 Mil per from Philly. I guarantee that's the contract they're going to use in negotiations.

True. But still, that's the cap reality that the team has to work in. The cap is what it is and those players, many of whom are clearly above Stralman, make about what he'll be asking for. It wouldn't be an issue if Stralman was this team's 1 or 2, or was capable of being a 1 or 2 consistently, but I don't think he's either of those things. He's a very, very good 3 who can step up and play like a 2 sometimes, which is a big boost to his team.

I agree that Stralman is better than McDonald, but I also think that McDonald contract is pretty wacky, and we all know how desperate Philly is, and has been, to have a consistently reliable D-man.

Some team way behind the Rangers in terms of team building may be able to give Stralman 5, but I don't see how this team can afford to even think about it unless they're completely resigned to losing Staal, who has been here longer, has a longer record of high-level play, and wears a letter.

 

[Raspewtin]

Might get shot for this but I don't give Stralman a dime over 4 million.

Just wondering, how about Nikolai Kulemin this offseason? Great skater, great on the boards, good PKer, has some offense, would anyone be open to replacing Pouliot with him?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Might get shot for this but I don't give Stralman a dime over 4 million.

Just wondering, how about Nikolai Kulemin this offseason? Great skater, great on the boards, good PKer, has some offense, would anyone be open to replacing Pouliot with him?

would rather just sign poo

 

[Raspewtin]

would rather just sign poo

Eh. I like Kulemin a lot more. Stronger, better on the boards, about equal skating, and a really good PKer.

Supposedly he wants 3 mill + though so if that's the case, no.

 

[bernmeister]

Klein's contract is on par with our youngsters. There's no reason to move him at such a low cap hit. He's an asset moving forward. Plus he's a RD which we are short on. Diaz would get similar money. I"d rather pay Klein 500K more to do the same job.

Allen might be ready next year and in that case you think about moving Moore or letting someone walk.

Honestly, it really comes down to who do you want more, Staal or Stralman? Who do you think is the steadier player.

Staal has higher upside in games, but Stralman almost never seems to have a bad one. He was the only D-Man who started the season off playing well, imo.

One of those guys has to go. We can't lock up 4 d-men to 5+ per year. Trading Klein doesn't change that.

Girardi + big + to FL for Ekblad.
Replaces reasonable but not cheap $$ with ELC
addresses the issue of RH shot
younger asset less wear + tear
Guy is billed as likely NHL ready. Ok, pref that's 2nd pair, but still w/McD, he'll be fine.