Salary Cap: 2014/2015 New York Rangers roster & salary cap
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Pavelski also played on the third line this year. To say the least, he did not face #1 matchups. People seem to not take this into consideration when talking about other players, I.E. ROR.
Ian
Mike York fan club
Eh, I dunno. I think Boyle still had the upside potential factored in at that point and that raised his price, since he was only 25 and a former 1st round pick. I think it's pretty clear Dorsett is what he is at this point.
Mike Brown got the Oilers a 4th from SJ earlier in the year, I wouldn't put it past a team offering as much, but I couldn't see more than that tbh. Would be happily surprised though.
Ian
Mike York fan club
Because this team can't afford to pay its 4th line a combined 5m or more.
He's by far the low man on the totem pole on that line.
Fantastic point. We're talking about acquiring Pavelski when his value is at its highest, trading Nash when his value is at its lowest - yikes.
Yeah, but there is a twist to this.
The best short term solution is sometimes to build long-term. We all know how this league works, any young player who has played decent in the NHL will have a lot of value come March 2015. If we go out and plug all holes on this roster with short term solutions, ie vets like Poo and co. on 1 year deals -- we will have zero mobility next season. Going into this summer, we basically also has zero mobility. No cap room. No assets to trade. No free agents available to sign. You know. Could the long term solution actually be the best short term solution at this point? Because I don't see us having any mobility to go short-term as is.
If we OTOH play like Miller, Lindberg, Fast, Diaz and Allen, they will get strong support on a strong team -- and do fairly well -- and between them and our established players without NMCs (Kreids, Step, Brass, Zucc, Hags, Dorsett, Staal, Moore, Klein), and a bit of a saved up cap-space -- we would all of a sudden have a lot of mobility come March.
The more I think about it, the more I feel that if we are going to have a -- shot -- at winnning the cup in the coming 2 years, this is the way we gotta go. It won't be enough to downgrade in a few areas and move forward with zero mobility. To get that mobility, we need to open up a few spots for youth and let them mature during the course of next year.
This is not a suggested line-up, but more like to illustrate a concept:
-Only resign the RFAs
-Trade J Moore and Klein for picks and prospects
-Some pieces in this line-up don't quite fit in, of course look to make "hockey trades" to get pieces that fit in better. Look for PMDs/size/right-handed shots. If we can trade J Moore for like a Foligno from Buffalo to get size, make that trade. And so forth. The below line-up is kind of on the short side. But if we could pull of like one good "hockey trade", say Moore and Fast or whatever for something of equal value but that makes more sense for us, it wouldn't be far off.
Hags-Step-MSL
Kreider-Lindberg-Nash
Miller-Brass-Zucc
Dorsett-Moore-Fast
Carcillo
McD-Girardi
Staal-Diaz
Allen-McIlrath
Hank
Talbot
Come dead line we would definitely have a lot of mobility. The kids inserted to that line-up are litterary very good prospects. Look at what players went for at the latest deadline. Before we know it, Joe Thornton is demanding a trade from SJ will only waive to come to NY and Doug Wilson goes "ok they have that young cheap Swedish kid at center who has scored 40 pts in 60 games [playing with Kreids and NAsh] and is good defensively, lets go for it", and we are set for a run again.
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From my POV, it would have to be like a 3.5m 1y (ie I want to sign with a contender and prove my self) deal or something like that for me to bite.
I like Mike Richards, he is a good hockey player. He is good on the PP too. But he is worn out, he has not been moving well at all for quite a long time now.
I would have no reservations about something like that... but I really think you can only insert 1-2 prospects into your line up and hope to remain successful.
I figure Miller and Lindberg could be those two prospects.
I really like Kristo, but I don't think he's going to be able to be ready for next year. Even worse for us is that if he doesn't play in like 80 of the 82 games next year, he'll become a UFA.
If we're trying to maximize value, I'd consider pairing Staal with Kristo in a trade scenario.
I think Conor Allen will fit this team better than John Moore. Moore is definitely more physical, and this team lacks physicality, but Allen focuses on limiting mistakes and is a better puck mover.
And Klein is fine for what he brings.
I can at most see us inserting 3 prospects into the fold next year and hoping to replicate the same results. 2 of the prospects I mentioned are on the lines that have the least responsibility - 4th line offense and 3rd pairing defense. 1 of them is a top prospect and I project him to have to take 2c responsibilities.
Somehow, the team will also need to find a way to allow McIlrath a spot on the team, too. Just can't see AV relying on more than 3 prospects next year, let alone 4.
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
I agree with that, and I would prefer to roll the dice on his role for the 4th line than lose the two guys taking all your key d-zone draws. Dorsett has been very good at times and is a contributor to the relentless forecheck that line produces, but he is the most expendable. We cannot guarantee Lindberg or Miller will be able to win big draws. In fact I would wager the opposite.
The only thing is that Dorsett does add some snarl/grit. You do need that edge in your bottom 6.
Crease
Chief Justice of the HFNYR Court
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Dorsett was hyped up to be Prust with more offense. Instead, he spent the first few months taking offensive zone penalty after offensive zone penalty.
NYR Viper
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How many times have us fans said (insert 3rd/4th liner here) can easily be replaced in house and it hasn't been true?
Anyway, I actually think Dorsett can be replaced. Hell, he was basically replaced with a guy on the scrap heap in Carcillo. Guys like Boyle and D. Moore would be much, much more difficult to replace should they test free agency.
The Rangers need to be careful here. The Brassard and Moore lines have been the best/most consistent virtually all post-season. They are the depth on this team, and almost all of them are free agents.
Would've been appetizing to me in 2010.
The guy is shot. Slotting him into the 4th line on a very, very good team has hidden it to a degree.
He went from being a 75-80 pt player, to a 60-65 pt player, to a 40-45 pt player. Purely based on his offensive production and the contract demands he'll likely have - 4-5 years @ 4-4.5 mill (likely), that will be a bad contract to give. Not to mention the party culture he was traded away for having.
Crease
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And given the nightmare transition to AV's system, management should make it a priority to re-sign the guys that eventually excelled in it.
5/6 fa's in some way.
Target Brass, Zucc, Boyle, Moore - most important ones on both lines. Dorsett and Poo can be replaced, if need be. Carcillo could bring what Dorsett brings for half the price. Poo and Dors the odd men out.
I think these are all fair values:
Zucc- 5 yrs at 4.3
Brass - QO @ 3.7, play Miller and determine if eventually you can trade Brassard when he prices himself out. You have the luxury of deferring a long term decision with Brass.
Boyle - 4 yrs at 2.7
D. Moore - 3 years at 2.2
NYR Viper
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I'd definitely like to keep Moore. I think Boyle could be replaced although I'd prefer to keep him if it is a reasonable cap figure. You can't pay both of them 2.5 million though.
I'd move him IF they could find a suitable replacement via UFA. I'd re-sign Carcillo and sign someone like Thornton to be the 12th/13th forwards. Short contracts, low $$ = low risk.
I haven't seen a ton of games but has he really been that bad?
I tend to agree.
Thats awfully steep for both Boyle and Moore, but this run just proves how important depth is.
I'd rather pay those guys than go on a stupid hunt for a #1C thats just not there.
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