Olympics: 2014 — Canada Roster Discussion (Part XVII) (Released, Post 1)

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NHLfreak1

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I really don't get this love affair with giroux playing the wing. You want him there so him and the center can pass back and forth to each other the whole time they're on the ice? Hey maybe they get lucky and one of their passes hits a skate and goes in for a goal! :shakehead

Giroux used to play wing, it wouldn't have been problem to stick him with Tazer and Sharp.

I'm assuming you've watched Forsberg play? Honestly, that's how Giroux plays, he gets all the attention focused on himself, and looks to pass. Forsberg could shoot, he may not have been known for it, but it's a fact. Giroux plays that same style, if given time and space he will shoot. He will hurt you if he isn't the defense's #1 priority. And no defense can have a #1 priority against Team Canada.
 

JackSlater

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Duchene Crosby Stamkos
Benn Tavares Carter
Sharp Toews Bergeron
Marleau Getzlaf Perry
Nash
Kunitz

Keith Doughty
Bouwmeester Pietrangelo
Vlasic Weber
Subban
Hamhuis

First line: Obviously Crosby is centre. Duchene is a great skater, has presumably practiced a fair amount with Crosby, and plays a direct game that could match Crosby stylistically. Stamkos is a real wildcard, but given the selections for this team Canada doesn't have the luxury of leaving him in a limited role. I would rather Carter in this spot, but he is needed elsewhere. The hope with this line is that the speed and skill can excel against any line, while the opposition's best checkers won't hurt Canada much on the scoreboard.

Second line: I much prefer Tavares in this spot over Getzlaf. He is
having a great year and frequently excels in international hockey. There are players that I would pick over Benn for this LW spot, but that option isn't there. Benn at least provides a good physical presence for corners and can be versatile. Carter is a great fit for any line, and he provides finishing for Tavares and Benn while also bringing speed and defensive awareness.

Third line: Toews is the ideal third line centre in this tournament, and he matches well with Sharp. Bergeron once again is not the ideal choice here, as I would rather a better skater who is more inclined toward playmaking, but there is no better option. Toews and Bergeron can trade faceoffs and should dominate. This line could comfortable take on any other nation's top line in the defensive zone.

Fourth line: Getzlaf is having a career year, and could be very good this year even with some skating concerns. Perry has limited use in a tournament like this in my opinion, but he needs to go somewhere. Marleau is the security blanket for this line, providing speed and defence. He also looked good in semi-frequent shifts with Getzlaf and Perry in 2010.

Thirteenth forward: Nash has a great skillset for international hockey, but he is not playing well this year. Ideally he would be further removed from the ice, but that isn't an option.

Fourteenth forward: Ideally Kunitz would be further removed from Sochi, but that isn't an option.

First pairing: Keith is having a tremendous year, and Doughty has been great as well. They looked tremendous together in 2010, and are almost the ideal pair for international hockey.

Second pairing: Bouwmeester and Pietrangelo have been very good together this year, and have both excelled internationally before.

Third pairing: Vlasic is a great shutdown defenceman with a style perfect for that role on the big ice with international referees. Weber is back to having a great year for a terrible team, and provides a valuable service for Canada as the resident physical defenceman. This line is called the third, but each should get nearly identical ice time. This line may see a bit less at even strength because Weber may be heavily relied upon by the special teams.

Seventh defenceman: Subban is perfect for this role, providing an offensive spark as necessary and a boost on the powerplay. He could easily play a role in the top six, but Canada 2014 is probably the most loaded team ever in terms of RHD.

Eighth defenceman: Hamhuis could easily slot into a playing role and provide great defence and solid international experience. Perfect for this role.
 

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People need to get used to the idea that Kunitz is going to get the first shot playing with Crosby and that Nash is going to be in the lineup even though he's not had a good year.
 

JackSlater

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People need to get used to the idea that Kunitz is going to get the first shot playing with Crosby and that Nash is going to be in the lineup even though he's not had a good year.

Accepting it and liking it or approving of it are very different things.
 

OttawaRoughRiderFan*

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Hat-Trick for MSL today. He is trying to say, "Look what you left behind". Maybe, he's right.
 

jgoud*

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A first unit PP of

Tavares - Crosby - Stamkos
Weber - Subban

Is so amazing, that I feel it warrants its own commemorative plaque or T-shirt or lighter or something...
You should probably split Weber and Subban up, since Stammer will be on the first PP line too. Put Weber and Doughty on the first, Keith and PK on the second.
 

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Who do you think will be scratched for the first few games?
I'd say Bergeron, Marleau and Hamhuis.
 

Riggins

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I wonder if St. Louis is even the top on the list of injury replacements. The coaches seem to have an irrational distaste for him.
 

Riggins

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Who do you think will be scratched for the first few games?
I'd say Bergeron, Marleau and Hamhuis.

I'd guess Benn, Duchene and Hamhuis. My take:

Kunitz-Crosby-Stamkos
Sharp-Toews-Tavares
Marleau-Getzlaf-Perry
Nash-Bergeron-Carter

Keith-Doughty
Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo
Vlasic-Weber
Subban
 

GWNR

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This isn't going to be the case, but this is what I think gives us the best chance to win:

Marleau - Crosby - Stamkos
- Three of the top 10 players in the world should play together. Crosby is the best in the world. Marleau plays the same role as Kunitz, but is simply a better version of him. Stamkos is the best pure sniper in the world. This line would be lights out offensively

Duchene - Getz - Perry
- We know Getz and Perry will play well together, but internationally they need someone to stretch the ice. Throw Duchene's wheels in and you have a hell of a line even on the big ice.

Sharp - Toews - Benn
- I see a lot of similarities between Benn and Hossa. I think this would be a very defensively responsible line and they have a huge upside offensively.

Carter - Tavares - Nash
- This line actually excites me a lot. I think they could build some chemistry. Tavares is amazing playing with Okoposo and Vanek. Carter and Nash are better versions of those two.

Bergeron (13th forward)
- He's the PK specialist and takes any important defensive draws (yes even over Crosby)

Kunitz (eating hot dogs in the pressbox)
- I will never agree that he should be on this team. If he does prove me wrong then hey, it's a win win

Keith - Weber
- Hello Neidermayer and Pronger

Vlasic - Doughty
- Nice combo of shutdown and offence

Jbo - Piet
- Too good together in the N to not have them together

Subban
- PP specialist and can switch out for Doughty

Hamhuis
- Arguing with Kunitz over if the sausage is better than the hot dog

PP1
Tavares - Crosby - Stamkos
Subban - Keith

PP2
Sharp - Getz - Perry
Weber - Toews

PK1
Bergeron - Carter
Weber - Vlasic

PK2
Toews - Sharp
Piet - Jbo
 

Mehar

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MSL making a statement today.

4 Goals today is definitely a statement. Said this before- but no disrespect to a guy like Benn or Kunitz, who are good players, but on the big ice it was a no-brainer to take MSL over both of them.
 
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Mehar

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Duchene Crosby Stamkos
Benn Tavares Carter
Sharp Toews Bergeron
Marleau Getzlaf Perry
Nash
Kunitz

Keith Doughty
Bouwmeester Pietrangelo
Vlasic Weber
Subban
Hamhuis

First line: Obviously Crosby is centre. Duchene is a great skater, has presumably practiced a fair amount with Crosby, and plays a direct game that could match Crosby stylistically. Stamkos is a real wildcard, but given the selections for this team Canada doesn't have the luxury of leaving him in a limited role. I would rather Carter in this spot, but he is needed elsewhere. The hope with this line is that the speed and skill can excel against any line, while the opposition's best checkers won't hurt Canada much on the scoreboard.

Second line: I much prefer Tavares in this spot over Getzlaf. He is
having a great year and frequently excels in international hockey. There are players that I would pick over Benn for this LW spot, but that option isn't there. Benn at least provides a good physical presence for corners and can be versatile. Carter is a great fit for any line, and he provides finishing for Tavares and Benn while also bringing speed and defensive awareness.

Third line: Toews is the ideal third line centre in this tournament, and he matches well with Sharp. Bergeron once again is not the ideal choice here, as I would rather a better skater who is more inclined toward playmaking, but there is no better option. Toews and Bergeron can trade faceoffs and should dominate. This line could comfortable take on any other nation's top line in the defensive zone.

Fourth line: Getzlaf is having a career year, and could be very good this year even with some skating concerns. Perry has limited use in a tournament like this in my opinion, but he needs to go somewhere. Marleau is the security blanket for this line, providing speed and defence. He also looked good in semi-frequent shifts with Getzlaf and Perry in 2010.

Thirteenth forward: Nash has a great skillset for international hockey, but he is not playing well this year. Ideally he would be further removed from the ice, but that isn't an option.

Fourteenth forward: Ideally Kunitz would be further removed from Sochi, but that isn't an option.

First pairing: Keith is having a tremendous year, and Doughty has been great as well. They looked tremendous together in 2010, and are almost the ideal pair for international hockey.

Second pairing: Bouwmeester and Pietrangelo have been very good together this year, and have both excelled internationally before.

Third pairing: Vlasic is a great shutdown defenceman with a style perfect for that role on the big ice with international referees. Weber is back to having a great year for a terrible team, and provides a valuable service for Canada as the resident physical defenceman. This line is called the third, but each should get nearly identical ice time. This line may see a bit less at even strength because Weber may be heavily relied upon by the special teams.

Seventh defenceman: Subban is perfect for this role, providing an offensive spark as necessary and a boost on the powerplay. He could easily play a role in the top six, but Canada 2014 is probably the most loaded team ever in terms of RHD.

Eighth defenceman: Hamhuis could easily slot into a playing role and provide great defence and solid international experience. Perfect for this role.

Very well stated and me and you agree. I see it the same way, except that i have Marleau as my 13th forward, with Nash taking the spot alongside Getzlaf/Perry. Nash has played great with Getzlaf and Perry in the past in the World Championships as well.
 

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4 Goals today is definitely a statement. Said this before- but no disrespect to a guy like Benn or Kunitz, who are good players, but on the big ice it was a no-brainer to take MSL over both of them.

I agree. Not sure why TC did not want him.
 

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Duchene Crosby Stamkos
Benn Tavares Carter
Sharp Toews Bergeron
Marleau Getzlaf Perry
Nash
Kunitz

Keith Doughty
Bouwmeester Pietrangelo
Vlasic Weber
Subban
Hamhuis

I think this is a good preview of how the lineup will take shape once we hit the playoff round of the tournament. Starting off against Norway/Austria, we'll of course see Kunitz slot in next to Crosby, but I'm very interested in seeing how long he lasts up there. Babcock loves shuffling his lines, and we'll probably see both Duchene and Marleau given a chance up next to Crosby during the round robin games, and perhaps Benn too (though I personally think there is a substantial clash of styles there). Its hard to see where Kunitz fits in if (when?) he's moved off of Crosby's line. There's talk of his prior chemistry with Getzlaf & Perry, but we have to realize that that was 5 years ago, and based on my recollection Kunitz played predominantly with MacDonald & Selanne anyway. Getzlaf & Perry, and Kunitz too, are better players now than they were back then. He's not the kind of player that will ever be a liability to us, but we have to acknowledge that he may not contribute much, either. Give the quality of the other players available to dress, the press box may be where he ends off the tournament.

On defense, I'd be inclined to pair up Keith with Weber. Weber is the slowest of our defencemen, and Keith's tremendous skating will help balance that pairing out (Vlasic is also a great skater, but not on Keith's level...but then again, not many are). The top 6 should all receive ample ice time, and I actually like our D corps much better going in, than I did in 2010.

After a few weeks of reflection on the roster, I really think this is a team that will struggle to score goals once we hit the playoff round. Expect some nail-biting 3-2, and 2-1 wins as we (if we) progress through the tournament. It sounds like Stamkos will see some game action with TB prior to Sochi, but realistically we can't expect him to be 100% and contributing at the level we would have expected him to before his injury. Like you, I've lowered my expectations for Getzlaf & Perry based on their past performance on international ice. I hope they prove me wrong. Our defense is superb, and Price has been playing Vezina-quality hockey recently, which is exactly what we wanted 3 weeks before Sochi. Much has been made of pre-determined roles, playmakers at center/scorers at wing, size and speed, natural wingers, etc., but IMO that's a symptom of HC significantly overthinking things, and leaving talent like Giroux and St Louis at home goes against many of the hard lessons that were learned in previous Olympic or Canada/World Cup tournaments. I mean, I love Bergeron, but how much better would that lineup look with Giroux on the right side with Toews and Sharp (two guys who are better goal scorers than playmakers) instead? Duchene, Carter and Marleau were fantastic selection that show that some thought was given to the skating requirements on the larger ice surfaces, but I'd still like to see St Louis and Giroux there instead of Kunitz and one of Nash or Benn.
 

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For some reason I feel like Keith and Weber should play together. I don't think Vlasic-Weber would be maximizing either of their skill-sets. Keith-Weber, Vlasic-Doughty seems ideal.
 

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I wonder if St. Louis is even the top on the list of injury replacements. The coaches seem to have an irrational distaste for him.

On this note, has there been any news about who is, or could be, on the short list for injury replacements? I can't seem to find anything on it myself. You'd have to think St. Louis, Giroux and Neal would be high on the list for forwards. Maybe Giordano and Seabrook on D.
 

JackSlater

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I think this is a good preview of how the lineup will take shape once we hit the playoff round of the tournament. Starting off against Norway/Austria, we'll of course see Kunitz slot in next to Crosby, but I'm very interested in seeing how long he lasts up there. Babcock loves shuffling his lines, and we'll probably see both Duchene and Marleau given a chance up next to Crosby during the round robin games, and perhaps Benn too (though I personally think there is a substantial clash of styles there). Its hard to see where Kunitz fits in if (when?) he's moved off of Crosby's line. There's talk of his prior chemistry with Getzlaf & Perry, but we have to realize that that was 5 years ago, and based on my recollection Kunitz played predominantly with MacDonald & Selanne anyway. Getzlaf & Perry, and Kunitz too, are better players now than they were back then. He's not the kind of player that will ever be a liability to us, but we have to acknowledge that he may not contribute much, either. Give the quality of the other players available to dress, the press box may be where he ends off the tournament.

On defense, I'd be inclined to pair up Keith with Weber. Weber is the slowest of our defencemen, and Keith's tremendous skating will help balance that pairing out (Vlasic is also a great skater, but not on Keith's level...but then again, not many are). The top 6 should all receive ample ice time, and I actually like our D corps much better going in, than I did in 2010.

After a few weeks of reflection on the roster, I really think this is a team that will struggle to score goals once we hit the playoff round. Expect some nail-biting 3-2, and 2-1 wins as we (if we) progress through the tournament. It sounds like Stamkos will see some game action with TB prior to Sochi, but realistically we can't expect him to be 100% and contributing at the level we would have expected him to before his injury. Like you, I've lowered my expectations for Getzlaf & Perry based on their past performance on international ice. I hope they prove me wrong. Our defense is superb, and Price has been playing Vezina-quality hockey recently, which is exactly what we wanted 3 weeks before Sochi. Much has been made of pre-determined roles, playmakers at center/scorers at wing, size and speed, natural wingers, etc., but IMO that's a symptom of HC significantly overthinking things, and leaving talent like Giroux and St Louis at home goes against many of the hard lessons that were learned in previous Olympic or Canada/World Cup tournaments. I mean, I love Bergeron, but how much better would that lineup look with Giroux on the right side with Toews and Sharp (two guys who are better goal scorers than playmakers) instead? Duchene, Carter and Marleau were fantastic selection that show that some thought was given to the skating requirements on the larger ice surfaces, but I'd still like to see St Louis and Giroux there instead of Kunitz and one of Nash or Benn.

For some reason I feel like Keith and Weber should play together. I don't think Vlasic-Weber would be maximizing either of their skill-sets. Keith-Weber, Vlasic-Doughty seems ideal.

We will have to see about the offence. Even with three useless picks the talent it there to win a shootout with any other team. I agree about a Sharp Toews Giroux line, which is what I wanted before the team was picked. Most likely Nash will be there, and in the best case scenario he can at least provide a nice physical contribution to the shutdown line. Honestly, Benn's inclusion is mystifying to me. I do not understand what he brings. Some playmaking from the wing (others would be better here) with decent but not great size and at best average skating for this level.

I agree that the defence is great, and should be the strength of the team. For months I wanted Keith - Weber and Vlasic - Doughty, but watching some of the 2010 Olympics made me want to put Keith - Doughty back together. This is a good problem to have.
 
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