2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs - Round 1 Series Discussion: #4 Blues vs. #5 Kings
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KingsFan7824
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This, a thousand times this. Some of the fans are definitely guilty of taking the Blues lightly, forgetting that each series is a clean slate.
KingsFan7824
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The Kings may lose this series, but it won't be because of that. These are the playoffs, not the regular season.
KINGS17
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I think the key to this series may be whether or not the Blues' defensemen can move the puck quickly enough to blunt the effectiveness of the Kings' forecheck. If the Kings' forwards can establish a forecheck, it will be tough for the Blues to generate much offense.
Nefarious
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Hi Keeba!
We're all wondering that, too. Also Nichol is healthy and was the 4C before injury, so possibly 2 guys coming out of the line-up.
The top line with Schwartz-Backes-Steen has looked decent, but I think Oshie still bumps Schwartz down. I think Sobotka will hold onto the 3C spot, so its possible a guy like Tarasenko gets a game off in the first game. I think Nichol may not be in the game, despite being healthy, because the 4th line of Cracknel, Porter, Reaves has been good.
Seriously, I'm really unsure of what Hitchcock will do with these pieces.
Daley Tarasenkshow
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Quick and Elliot seem about even right now, thats what no one is getting at.
Other than that, this will be interesting. The blues and kings have both had trouble scoring lately so it will come down the a defensive battle.
Other than that, this will be interesting. The blues and kings have both had trouble scoring lately so it will come down the a defensive battle.
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Hi Keeba!
Yeah, I wasn't suggesting Elliott is going to steal the series or something. I was responding to multiple posts where people were dismissing Elliott as mentally weak and a welcome opponent. I think the Elliott you're going to see is the guy who has already been to hell and back this season. He's clawed his way back into form, and I think the mental toughness is going to be a bit of a surprise compared with last time you faced him. If the Blues go down it won't be because Elliott collapsed.
I think the key will be whether the Blues forwards can score in 5 on 5 play. The defense will limit LAK SOG, but the same is try vice versa. And the LAK have more top end offensive talent, but not the same depth down the roster as the Blues (on forwards). So, which team benefits there? If guys like Backes, Berglund, Perron, Steen, etc are productive, I think its a close series that the Blues can win. If that well is dry, then I think we see a repeat of last season.
That said, my impression is that the Kings haven't regained the form from last post-season at any point this year. I know they kind of 'flipped a switch' last season, but I'm skeptical if a team can really operate that way. I'm very curious as to which Quick we see. He's a great goalie, but I haven't seen him look like last post-season for a long time.
Little Psycho
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For the Kings it was more like not caring. After they clinched, mostly everyone sat back.
SettlementRichie10
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Honestly, I have a feeling guys like Muzzin and Ellerby are going to be torn to shreds in this series.
If we lose, that will be the downfall - poor defensive play and not enough veteran presence on the blueline. Just my .02
Really not super confident in this series. The Blues are serious and since the deadline look like a completely different team, similar to us last year post-TD. To the Kings, the new look Blues are an unknown commodity and that can come back to bite us unless Sutter and co. thoroughly scout them.
As long as the defense holds together in some way, shape, or form, we should win. If not, lights out.
If we lose, that will be the downfall - poor defensive play and not enough veteran presence on the blueline. Just my .02
Really not super confident in this series. The Blues are serious and since the deadline look like a completely different team, similar to us last year post-TD. To the Kings, the new look Blues are an unknown commodity and that can come back to bite us unless Sutter and co. thoroughly scout them.
As long as the defense holds together in some way, shape, or form, we should win. If not, lights out.
BigKing
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I'm feeling like a Kings fan circa April 2012: cautiously optimistic but expecting the worst.
Even if Greene can play, I'm not sure if he is a better option than Ellerby at this point since he is nowhere near game shape. Kings once again choked at the end of the regular season and blowing home ice is going to be huge in this series as the road record this year was not an aberration: they flat out sucked away from Staples.
It took an insane Quick to win Game 1 against these guys last year...let's hope that the Quick of late continues to show up.
Really, blowing home ice is going to bit them in the ass. Pretty amazing that Quick letting in that **** goal with 2 seconds left against Detroit was the difference between starting at St. Louis as opposed to Staples.
Even if Greene can play, I'm not sure if he is a better option than Ellerby at this point since he is nowhere near game shape. Kings once again choked at the end of the regular season and blowing home ice is going to be huge in this series as the road record this year was not an aberration: they flat out sucked away from Staples.
It took an insane Quick to win Game 1 against these guys last year...let's hope that the Quick of late continues to show up.
Really, blowing home ice is going to bit them in the ass. Pretty amazing that Quick letting in that **** goal with 2 seconds left against Detroit was the difference between starting at St. Louis as opposed to Staples.
*facepalm* I had just about managed to remove that event's existence from my memory....
etherialone
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I completely disagree with your assertion that Quick and Elliot are about even right now. Quick has lead his team to a cup and Elliot has had more than his share of total meltdowns. Elliot just isn't close to the same level of goalie that Quick is.
I mean there isn't any secret that Quick has taken awhile to get his game back this season after off season surgery but it takes a down season by Quick for Elliot to be close to him in stats. There just any comparing the two. Quick is significantly better hands down.
The place where the Blues stand up against us and have a solid chance of beating us in is on D. Doughty and Pie can be close enough to where they cancel each other out. Voynov is slightly better than Shat but all in it is pretty close. I think the Kings have the edge but I suppose you could say that it is an arguable position.
Regehr Scuderi and Greene v Leapold Polak and Jaybo are close enough to where it is going to come down to goaltending and that is where Quick will give us the edge.
Up front the Kings are more talented but the Blue have a solid amount of talent and are playing really well since the deadline. Its going to be a great series but it is the Kings to lose.
Honestly I don't even want to go there. We gave 3 points to Edm and Detroit just because we couldn't last 5 more secs. Then there was the Wild game we couldn't hold on to a 2 goal lead in which also Muzzin hit the post with under 2 minutes to go. Those were I can think of but I'm not losing sleep over it, 4th and 5th seeds are basically the same after 1st round.
Daley Tarasenkshow
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"Right Now" does not mean last year...we know you guys won a cup and at that time quick was better. But right now as in the past 2 or so weeks it's been even. The stats don't lie.
The Kings lack the depth that the blues have. Defense is equal or slightly in blues favor. Goalies are equal or slightly in kings favor. Top flight forwards are in kings favor, but depth is in the blues favor.
The blues are 11-3 since JayBo came over. Gonna be a good series.
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etherialone
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I disagree with you on Elliot but time will tell I guess. On the rest I think you make fir points and of course we won't likely agree entirely I can see where your coming from. I too have my concerns about our ability to regain our dominant game in the same manner as last season but I have seen us show it from time to time in short bursts.
With Greene back in we sure looked good and that could be the difference maker. Quick has only lost one in his last 6 games with a goals again of 1.87 (I think) so he is regaining his form. Should be a close series though. I guess I will remain somewhat confident of our chances seeing as we still play pretty dominant against you guys even though both Quick and our team like you say haven't regained our last season form just yet.
If we put it together we will blow right past you guys, if not it could go either way.
That said congrats on your season and I look forward to having a fun series, may the best team win.
Only depth Blues can have over Kings is LW, and that's also arguable if Mr. Pancakes decides to show up. I see some progression though, earlier you were claiming Blues have the edge over all positions.
etherialone
dialed in your mom
What is this depth you speak of?
I mean we have dominated you this season with the same amount of depth that we dominated you guys last season and during last seasons playoffs so I am just curious what new depth (over the past two weeks) that you now posses that is going to get you past us.
Defence is equal but is in now way slightly in the Blues favor. It is at best even. Quick is clearly the better of the two goalies even as he plays today and up front we are as loaded as we need to be. Just curious about who and what your new depth is.
And people, prepare to loathe Backes like Doan and Smitty if Kings get in the Blues' heads early on, he has that potential. We saw him this year tripping Carter during goal celebration and hitting Williams after he scored the empty net.
Me thinks Kings will be fine if they manage to win one of the first 2 games.
Me thinks Kings will be fine if they manage to win one of the first 2 games.
Daley Tarasenkshow
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You guys have not seen JayBo yet. Thats all I am saying. Depth is in the blues favor, not by much. JayBo changes the game IMO. Blues are 11-3 since bringing him in. Him and leopold are huge depth upgrades over Russel and Cole. Cracknall has put in a couple of points lately and Reaves even had a two goal game Thursday. Sure these guys probably wont score in the playoffs, but this pair beats Fraser and Nolan. Both offensive and defensive. Sure those are only 2 players, but I think the overall depth in terms of ability to have 3rd and 4th lines score favors the blues. The kings have much better scoring threats, just not on the 3rd and 4th lines. Defensive scoring should be about even with a slight blues favor. Voynov Muzzin Doughty vs Shatty, JayBO Petro.
kingsfan28
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kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
The Kings saw plenty of him while in Calgary, and really how much can you attest the 11-3 record on his play, rather than the stellar play of your goalies? They're good players, but pinning that record on their play is a bit of a reach.
ARIES626
Long live the Kings!
ST Louis had to play great hockey to get into 4th where the Kings coasted and still ended up in 5th, So Imo if the Kings come out playing on all eight cylinders the Blues playoffs are over in 6!!
