2013 - Out Of Town Scoreboard - Part three - Hockey's Back!

[manilaNJ]

Wow, what a cluster**** of a goal that Los Angeles just scored on itself.

Hard to even say that Detroit scored it

 

[Bleedred]

I don't see the hype with Bernier. LA definitely hit the jackpot with Quick when Bernier was supposed to be the goalie of the future.

 

[manilaNJ]

Bernier has the future of a great backup and an ok starter.
Don't think he'll be any better or any worse than that.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Kid in front row wearing a Devils jersey near the staples ad at the Kings game. On the side the Wings attack twice.

Quick was drafted after Frazee. We sure screwed that up.

 

[Saugus]

Kid in front row wearing a Devils jersey near the staples ad at the Kings game.

Quick was drafted after Frazee. We sure screwed that up.

He wouldn't have gotten the same chance here. Look up Ari Ahonen.

 

[Bleedred]

Bernier has the future of a great backup and an ok starter.
Don't think he'll be any better or any worse than that.

That's his ceiling I think. Last Summer some of the proposals that the Kings supposedly wanted for him were ransom though.

He wouldn't have gotten the same chance here. Look up Ari Ahonen.

Nope he wouldn't have. With Marty still around Quick wouldn't have even been a starting goaltender yet if we had drafted him.

If he were in the league he would have been Marty's backup now at 27 on our team. He probably would have requested a trade before now too.

 

[Devils Dominion]

He wouldn't have gotten the same chance here. Look up Ari Ahonen.

Still a bad job whoever was scouting American goalies.

U think Frazee would have won the Cup in LA with the same chance Quick got?

 

[Bleedred]

Still a bad job whoever was scouting American goalies.

U think Frazee would have won the Cup in LA with the same chance Quick got?

Hell no.

Like I said though. You think Quick would have been our starting goaltender last year in the SCF with the Devils? No.

He probably would have found his way somewhere else after being Marty's backup, and playing as many games as Moose played the last couple years. If he had come in 09/10 he probably would have played 12 games that year backing up Marty like Yann Danis did. Most of Yann Danis games were in relief too that year.

 

[NJDevs26]

He wouldn't have gotten the same chance here. Look up Ari Ahonen.

At best he could have been the 'Scott Clemmensen' of 2009 and ideally up his trade value before becoming UFA

 

[kiwidevil]

Is "missed" draft picks the dumbest thing to bring up?

Especially with the success the Devils have had a long time with "steals" late in drafts.

Just another thing negative weaklings bring up to try make themselves feel smart.

 

[manilaNJ]

I can't remember if this was done during last year's regular season or not.

But I'm going to pretend like Roenick and Milbury & Jones have permanently been put in separate corners on purpose because they couldn't play nice together.

 

[Bleedred]

At best he could have been the 'Scott Clemmensen' of 2009 and ideally up his trade value before becoming UFA

You figure that's when he came into the NHL, and turned pro. That same year. Lou probably would have had in the AHL that year like he had Frazee. That was Frazee's first year. If he was really good (Frazee was good his first year too) maybe he backs up Marty in 09/10 instead of Yann Danis. He plays 12 games that year, and gets 5 starts.

Then he plays in every game Moose played in. I'm sure this Summer when Marty announces he intends to not retire then Quick asks for a trade. Same way Bernier asked for a trade after they decided to go with Quick full time. That's at the latest too. Maybe he asks for a trade even earlier than a year ago if we have him.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Is "missed" draft picks the dumbest thing to bring up?

Especially with the success the Devils have had a long time with "steals" late in drafts.

Just another thing negative weaklings bring up to try make themselves feel smart.

Henrique was a great pick but overall the Devils drafting over the last 10 years can be graded with a C at best.

Taking Frazee over Quick is concerning on our NCAA scouts.
We could have gotten a good return in a trade for Quick by now.

I'm hopeful that Merrill,Larsson and the other first round Swedes pan out. Many other 1st and 2nd round picks have not.

 

[Saugus]

Still a bad job whoever was scouting American goalies.

U think Frazee would have won the Cup in LA with the same chance Quick got?

No, but it really doesn't matter to us. It makes no sense to lament picking Frazee instead of Quick, because we know the end result would be the same in either situation: We'd have one Marty and one bust.

 

[NJDevs26]

Is "missed" draft picks the dumbest thing to bring up?

Especially with the success the Devils have had a long time with "steals" late in drafts.

Just another thing negative weaklings bring up to try make themselves feel smart.

It's sort of nitpicking to the nth degree. Especially with goalies, it's harder to tell who will make it and who doesn't. I mean I can understand the obsession with the Tedenby-John Carlson thing because of him being a Jersey boy, but as far as goalies go, there's a crapload of lower-round/undrafted goalies (Lundqvist, Pekka Rinne, Tim Thomas, etc) that have been successes in recent years, and a lot of high-round busts.

Besides I'd rather 'not' waste too many high picks on goalies when Marty has years left the way Lou did in the late '90's. THAT is something you could second-guess, if not first-guess.

 

[kiwidevil]

It's sort of nitpicking to the nth degree. Especially with goalies, it's harder to tell who will make it and who doesn't. I mean I can understand the obsession with the Tedenby-John Carlson thing because of him being a Jersey boy, but as far as goalies go, there's a crapload of lower-round/undrafted goalies (Lundqvist, Pekka Rinne, Tim Thomas, etc) that have been successes in recent years, and a lot of high-round busts.

Besides I'd rather 'not' waste too many high picks on goalies when Marty has years left the way Lou did in the late '90's. THAT is something you could second-guess, if not first-guess.

Yep.

Not to mention Carlson isn't half the player this board claims him to be.

 

[manilaNJ]

No current issues to get all chicken little about, so we go back in time to retroactively harp on something?

Oh boy, the Devils better win tomorrow.

 

[Devils Dominion]

No, but it really doesn't matter to us. It makes no sense to lament picking Frazee instead of Quick, because we know the end result would be the same in either situation: We'd have one Marty and one bust.

I definately don't think Quick would have busted.
Scouts would have seen his talent in the AHL and Lou would have had a great piece to move in a deal.

The more important point is our scouts thought Frazee was the best goalie available at that time, ouch!

Frazee has been an average AHL goalie, serviceable for that level but a total bust as as a NHL potential.

 

[Bleedred]

It's sort of nitpicking to the nth degree. Especially with goalies, it's harder to tell who will make it and who doesn't. I mean I can understand the obsession with the Tedenby-John Carlson thing because of him being a Jersey boy, but as far as goalies go, there's a crapload of lower-round/undrafted goalies (Lundqvist, Pekka Rinne, Tim Thomas, etc) that have been successes in recent years, and a lot of high-round busts.

Besides I'd rather 'not' waste too many high picks on goalies when Marty has years left the way Lou did in the late '90's. THAT is something you could second-guess, if not first-guess.

I still wonder if Lou tried to trade Ari Ahonen in 06. He had just signed Marty long term until 2012. At that time Ahonen wouldn't have gotten a chance to be starter until he was like 32 if he stuck around. And now Marty's playing beyond that contract. Marty was re signed in like January, and Ari left that Summer.

I'm sure the fact that Ari didn't get any chance to even back up Marty bugged him. I bet the breaking point was when Marty got injured briefly early in 05/06. Ari was called up to dress as Clemmensen's backup. It probably sucked for him having to backup Clemmensen who was backing him up a few years in the AHL.

 

[kiwidevil]

Frazee

The end of the Devils franchise as we know it.

 

[NJDevs26]

That bugged me at the time too. There was no real reason not to give Ari a start at that point. Especially with it still being early in the season and Clemmensen not any proven commodity in 2005 either. Clemmensen played six games in a row, was fine in the first three or four then started falling apart in the last two and boom Marty came back, probably before he was really ready and he still struggled in the first half because of it.

 

[Devils Dominion]

It's sort of nitpicking to the nth degree. Especially with goalies, it's harder to tell who will make it and who doesn't. I mean I can understand the obsession with the Tedenby-John Carlson thing because of him being a Jersey boy, but as far as goalies go, there's a crapload of lower-round/undrafted goalies (Lundqvist, Pekka Rinne, Tim Thomas, etc) that have been successes in recent years, and a lot of high-round busts.

Besides I'd rather 'not' waste too many high picks on goalies when Marty has years left the way Lou did in the late '90's. THAT is something you could second-guess, if not first-guess.

Carlson was of course the obvious pick at the time for us fans and he has proven to be a wise selection for the Caps so far.

Teds had the highlight reel goals overseas and the kid still has some potential in the bigs, but that was a draft day gaffe by Conte and crew.

I still wonder if Lou tried to trade Ari Ahonen in 06. He had just signed Marty long term until 2012. At that time Ahonen wouldn't have gotten a chance to be starter until he was like 32 if he stuck around. And now Marty's playing beyond that contract. Marty was re signed in like January, and Ari left that Summer.

I'm sure the fact that Ari didn't get any chance to even back up Marty bugged him. I bet the breaking point was when Marty got injured briefly early in 05/06. Ari was called up to dress as Clemmensen's backup. It probably sucked for him having to backup Clemmensen who was backing him up a few years in the AHL.

Ahonen would have suited up for another NHL franchise at some point if he was all that.

Clemmer was one of the better netminders in 2008-2009, some say he would have beat Carolina. I'm not on that train of thought, but we'll never know.

 

[Bleedred]

That bugged me at the time too. There was no real reason not to give Ari a start at that point. Especially with it still being early in the season and Clemmensen not any proven commodity in 2005 either. He played six games in a row, was fine in the first three or four then started falling apart in the last two and boom Marty came back, probably before he was really ready and still struggled in the first half.

I understand why Clemmensen got the backup job over Ari initially. They wanted Ari playing every night in Albany, because he clearly had a bigger ceiling than Clemmensen.

It wouldn't have hurt after that many years in the organization though to give him a start at that time.

Clemmer was one of the better netminders in 2008-2009, some say he would have beat Carolina. I'm not on that train of thought, but we'll never know.

Haha yeah right! If Clemmensen plays that series we lose in 5 games. The only game anyone remembers in that series is game 7. Marty was a beast in that series until game 7. There wouldn't have been a game 7 if Crapper is in net.

 

[Uli Hiemer]

Yep.

Not to mention Carlson isn't half the player this board claims him to be.

this.

he's quite overrated around here.

 

[NJDevs26]

No current issues to get all chicken little about, so we go back in time to retroactively harp on something?

Oh boy, the Devils better win tomorrow.

Just wait until the 'OMGZ we should have kept Mark Fraser!' thread...you know that's coming soon.