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Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part VI: Buyout Season

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Tawnos said:
I'm not against rookies, but Boston has 1 rookie with a regular spot in the lineup (Krug). The Blackhawks have 2 (Saad, Kruger). Thing is, all of those players beat out someone else for their spots. Krug came in after Redden and Seidenberg got hurt and has provided more than Redden did, so he stayed. Kruger and Saad beat out Morin, Mayers and Carcillo at the beginning of the season and never looked back. None of these guys were penciled into their lineups.

That's all I want. They have to beat people for their roster spots.
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Our rookies will have a better chance of doing that now that there's an ACTUAL training camp.

I would honestly be shocked if at least one of Lindberg, Thomas, Hrivik, McIlrath, or Fast didn't make the team.
 
Grind Jam Grind said:
Agree that no one should be penciling them in, but Carcillo has been injured for over a year, and Morin and Mayers aren't exactly world beaters.
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Carcillo played opening night. Kruger did not, but was his injury replacement. That he stayed in the lineup is the same as beating Carcillo for his spot. Same as McDonagh beat Roszival for his spot in the lineup. Carcillo played later on as injury replacement for other players. The guy played half the season.

Beating out players for spots simply means that the rookie is an improvement. That Mayers isn't a world beater has no bearing on the situation. If Fast beats out Pyatt for a spot, wouldn't that be the same kind of thing? The point is, we need NHL caliber players in the lineup, beyond hoping that the rookies are ready to improve the team.
 
Brian Boyle said:
Our rookies will have a better chance of doing that now that there's an ACTUAL training camp.

I would honestly be shocked if at least one of Lindberg, Thomas, Hrivik, McIlrath, or Fast didn't make the team.
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Agreed on that. And honestly, if the competition is between multiple rookies for one spot, that's okay too. But they need to prove they belong. We shouldn't just be hoping for the best.
 
NYR Viper said:
I have to wonder, would it be better to sign a player like Briere for 1 year or try to get an underrated player like Raymond or MacArthur for a couple of years at below market value?

I am dead serious though, if they think going into next season with Briere, MZA, Hagelin and Callahan in the top 9 with hopefully Nash and Kreider as the other 2, there bottom line better be rebuilt. Talk about soft.
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I think the latter two will be overpaid as well. I like Raymond a lot though. Love Briere too. A few interesting options for sure. Obviously Briere would be more suceptible to a short term deal.

Brian Boyle said:
Our rookies will have a better chance of doing that now that there's an ACTUAL training camp.

I would honestly be shocked if at least one of Lindberg, Thomas, Hrivik, McIlrath, or Fast didn't make the team.
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I'd be stunned if two rookie forwards made it though. Are you assuming Miller starts in Hartford? That's why I love Briere. If Lindberg/Miller aren't ready, he'd be our 3rd line C. If/when they are ready (Lindberg inparticular) Danny would slide over to one of the wings.
 
Brian Boyle said:
Our rookies will have a better chance of doing that now that there's an ACTUAL training camp.

I would honestly be shocked if at least one of Lindberg, Thomas, Hrivik, McIlrath, or Fast didn't make the team.
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We could have Callahan and Hagelin missing the first few weeks of the season so several of the wingers could get extended looks. Otherwise our bottom six is going to be full of Asham, Powe, and Pyatt types. As nicely as Pyatt came on at the end of year, sample size says that's probably a bad thing.

I'm thinking Fast will need some more seasoning, but Hrivik and Thomas could fill some serious needs if they come in and have strong camps. Lindberg should be given every opportunity to push Boyle down to the fourth line where he belongs.
 
Ih8theislanders said:
I think the latter two will be overpaid as well. I like Raymond a lot though. Love Briere too. A few interesting options for sure. Obviously Briere would be more suceptible to a short term deal.



I'd be stunned if two rookie forwards made it though. Are you assuming Miller starts in Hartford? That's why I love Briere. If Lindberg/Miller aren't ready, he'd be our 3rd line C. If/when they are ready (Lindberg inparticular) Danny would slide over to one of the wings.
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Knew I was forgetting someone.

I think Miller has the best chance of making it actually.
 
Another name that hasn't been mentioned much here, who intrigues me is Zubrus. Would prefer Briere but would like Danius on a reasonable deal.
 
I'm most excited for Lindberg, out of our potential rookies. Everything I've read says that he's ready for the NHL, defensively in particular.

Hopefully Fast's knee heals because I was very excited for his NA debut, and hated that he got hurt in his first AHL game, where he also scored a goal.

So yeah, I have big hopes for our Swedes. Hrivik too.
 
Grind Jam Grind said:
I'm most excited for Lindberg, out of our potential rookies. Everything I've read says that he's ready for the NHL, defensively in particular.

Hopefully Fast's knee heals because I was very excited for his NA debut, and hated that he got hurt in his first AHL game, where he also scored a goal.

So yeah, I have big hopes for our Swedes. Hrivik too.
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Fast wasn't hurt in his only game, just more a matter of the injury was bothering him all season and they decided to shut him down so he could have a full offseason to train.

He may be the most gifted offensive prospect in the system.
 
Fast has played on a NA rink in the world juniors unless I'm much mistaken. I recall him being pretty good.
 
With rumors of Zuke re-signing imminent, I doubt Briere is in the cards.
Signing Zuke makes re-signing Clowe more likely IMO.
Assuming the above
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Brass - Callahan
Clowe - X - Zuke
X -Boyle - Dorsett.

4LW should be a FA, Nystrom, Lapierre ...
Assuming the 3C is between Lindberg and Miller with possibility of looking in FA if the org doesn't think they are ready.
I don't see where Briere or Raymond would fit.
Even if my assumption is wrong and Clowe is not re-signed, with Lindberg and Zuke on the line, it will have to be somebody with size and grit.
That still takes out Briere or Raymond.
 
Kwayry said:
With rumors of Zuke re-signing imminent, I doubt Briere is in the cards.
Signing Zuke makes re-signing Clowe more likely IMO.
Assuming the above
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Brass - Callahan
Clowe - X - Zuke
X -Boyle - Dorsett.

4LW should be a FA, Nystrom, Lapierre ...
Assuming the 3C is between Lindberg and Miller with possibility of looking in FA if the org doesn't think they are ready.
I don't see where Briere or Raymond would fit.
Even if my assumption is wrong and Clowe is not re-signed, with Lindberg and Zuke on the line, it will have to be somebody with size and grit.
That still takes out Briere or Raymond.
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Bringing Clowe back would be nuts. There's no reason to flush even more down on the guy. I also kind of hate the idea of automatically penciling in Zuccarello. I want more finishers in our top nine wingers. If Thomas has a strong camp, I'd much prefer him in the top nine to Zucc. Hrivik is a good option to take the slot you're giving Clowe. He's got decent size and gives us two-way play if he makes the team. A Hrivik-Lindberg-Callahan third line is very appealing.
 
Zil said:
Bringing Clowe back would be nuts. There's no reason to flush even more down on the guy. I also kind of hate the idea of automatically penciling in Zuccarello. I want more finishers in our top nine wingers. If Thomas has a strong camp, I'd much prefer him in the top nine to Zucc. Hrivik is a good option to take the slot you're giving Clowe. He's got decent size and gives us two-way play if he makes the team. A Hrivik-Lindberg-Callahan third line is very appealing.
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Point taken on Clowe, that's why I added the option that he won't be re-signed.
If the rumors are true and Zuke is going to be re-signed to multi year contract, you have to pencil him in. I didn't have him in my lineups before the rumors, but he is now.
Hrivik is still a question mark, my dark horse is Yogan, if he has a strong camp, he would be the perfect 3LW.

Barbara Underhill said:
You still have an unknown penciled in on the top line...
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Talking about Nash? :sarcasm:
I feel Kreider finished the season and the playoffs on a good note and with a full training camp, he will be ready.
 
aufheben said:
I thought Miller looked fantastic for a 19 year old. He made a lot of mistakes, but that will improve, obviously.
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I don't think he was that good in the NHL tbh. His WJC performance was promising though. Like you said, still 19.
 
I don't believe Lindberg will be our 3C out of camp next season, I just know it i.e. what more does he needs to prove being ready for NHL without actually do it? At the end of this season he won the SELs Conn Smythe and a WC gold while playing really in a similar role I would expect him be asked to be in as a forth center for Rangers.

Sure is a gamble thought but I like it far more than another round with Richards, buy him out and start over with new blood, a new coach with a different view of the game with young exiting centers in Stepan, Brassard, Lindberg and Boyle who most likely would be the 4 shut down center many screams to be put in.
 
snipeit said:
I don't believe Lindberg will be our 3C out of camp next season, I just know it i.e. what more does he needs to prove being ready for NHL without actually do it? At the end of this season he won the SELs Conn Smythe and a WC gold while playing really in a similar role I would expect him be asked to be in as a forth center for Rangers.

Sure is a gamble thought but I like it far more than another round with Richards, buy him out and start over with new blood, a new coach with a different view of the game with young exiting centers in Stepan, Brassard, Lindberg and Boyle who most likely would be the 4 shut down center many screams to be put in.
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I agree, all he needs is adjusting to the smaller rinks. With full camp and preseason, that should give him enough time.
Even if he needs a little longer adjustment period in the AHL, it shouldn't be more than a month.
 
Kwayry said:
Talking about Nash? :sarcasm:
I feel Kreider finished the season and the playoffs on a good note and with a full training camp, he will be ready.
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Maybe he will be ready, maybe he needs half a season. If Richards is bought out I wouldn't mind Briere. Slot him in on the top line let Kreider start on the 3rd and Hags on the 2nd.

To start the season,

Briere/Nash-Stepan-Nash/Briere (not sure if he can play LW)
Hagelin-Brassard-Callahan
Kreider-X-Zuke
X-Boyle-Dorsett

Later on adjust the top two lines, move Briere to 3c. 3c to 4c Boyle can play 4lw.
 
I'd be uncomfortable relying on Briere in a first line role for the entire year, but he'd be a good cushion while Kreider can hopefully adapt to a to six role. However, I'd much rather add a piece that can be part of the roster for at least a few years.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Maybe he will be ready, maybe he needs half a season. If Richards is bought out I wouldn't mind Briere. Slot him in on the top line let Kreider start on the 3rd and Hags on the 2nd.

To start the season,

Briere/Nash-Stepan-Nash/Briere (not sure if he can play LW)
Hagelin-Brassard-Callahan
Kreider-X-Zuke
X-Boyle-Dorsett

Later on adjust the top two lines, move Briere to 3c. 3c to 4c Boyle can play 4lw.
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I don't see Briere playing on top line. Given his age/injuries and declining production.
He is mostly a RW last few years and would be a good fit on the 3rd line (Maybe 2nd, but we know who owns that spot).
Another possibility is to slot Zuke on the top line, he had some good chemistry with Nash.
Zuke - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Brass - Callahan
kreider - Lindberg - Briere

But that's a soft top 9.
 
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