Speculation: 2013 Off-Season Speculation/Be the GM Thread
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Sure I guess if you can wait for him to come around in 2016. He'll probably stay on 3 yr contract in Sweden like OL and Fast.
Jimmy Dolan, is that you?
How exactly do you KNOW without shadow of a doubt that Sather will not go anywhere? Longest tenured GM was Lester Patrick at 20 years. Next highest is Sather at 13 years and counting, and below him are Emil Francis and Neil Smith at 11 years. Sather has given the organization the least in the second most amount of time, I wouldn't be so sure that he's completely safe.
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1. Do not re-sign Clowe. Even without the concussion issues he is a slow player who is deteriorating physically. I don't think he is far way from being Mike Rupp with better hands and you don't want to pay such a player 4M+/year.
2. Buy out Richards. I was 100% for keeping him another year and buying him out in the 2014 offseason, but then I was made aware that you cannot amnesty an injured player. We cannot afford to take even a .0001% risk of not being able to get rid of Richards' contract even if he returns to 60-70p form due to the recapture penalties in the new CBA.
3. No more long-term FA contracts for 30+ players. Older FA's can definitely contribute, but it is very hard to predict who will be productive in their late 30's and who will drop off a cliff. Give them 1-2 year deals and re-evauate when their contracts expire. I would love to sign Dupuis this summer, but I wouldn't give him more than 2 years.
4. Get a better grip of which players "lead" on the ice and which "follow" and I'm not talking about charisma or leadership skills. I. E. identify which players drive the play and which players that are productive "in the right environment" and poor otherwise.
An example on defence: Girardi, Del Zotto, and Eminger are followers, Staal, McDonagh and Strålman are leaders. The latter 3 play at a similar level whoever they are paired with, but the former three needs to play with one of the latter 3 to be productive. Pair two from the former group and you have a trainwreck on ice. I'm not saying Strålman is a better or more valuable player than Girardi, but he is more flexible.
I would however definitely only try to move defencemen from the former group as I believe their trade value exceeds their actual value. I.E. the difference between Girardi's and Strålman's trade value is a lot bigger than the difference between their value on the ice.
Del Zotto is probably the #1 player I'd like to move on our roster. Girardi needs to stay, mainly due to our lack of RHD's as well as his presence in the locker room.
This analysis must extend to the choice of lineup. Don't put too many "leaders" on the same line and be forced to make up the other lines of "followers", we'll just be a one-line team. That was very evident when we were relying on the Hagelin-Stepan-Nash line, where we put our three strongest leaders at the time on the same line. The rest of the lines blew.
The Zucarello and Brassard acquisitions were very important due to this reason, they both seem to be "leader" types. I am however beginning to doubt Nash's status as a "leader"-player. Brassard has a track-record as a follower, but has played like a leader as a Ranger, we'll see how that develops. Zucc has been a leader type his whole career.
I perceived Callahan as one of the best "leader"-types in the league until 11-12, where either 1 of 2 things happened: (1) he changed his game after being given a bigger role, or (2) it was actually Dubinsky that was the leader on that line and after their separation (that begun quite early in 11-12, they rarely played on the same line) Callahan's flaws became more evident. In my eyes, Callahan has demoted himself to "follower" on the ice and has to prove himself once again before I can reinstate him as a leader in my eyes (again, not to be confused with leader in the locker room).
We already got rid of one (albeit an excellent one) follower in Gaborik, and got a good return for it that will make us a lot better in the long run. Another is on his way out (Richards). I hope we will continue this trend as we will have a much more flexible team with more leader-type players.
Actually, cashing in on followers (or staying away from renewing their contracts when they get expensive) is the way competitive teams stay competitive. The Devils were excellent at this.
2. Buy out Richards. I was 100% for keeping him another year and buying him out in the 2014 offseason, but then I was made aware that you cannot amnesty an injured player. We cannot afford to take even a .0001% risk of not being able to get rid of Richards' contract even if he returns to 60-70p form due to the recapture penalties in the new CBA.
3. No more long-term FA contracts for 30+ players. Older FA's can definitely contribute, but it is very hard to predict who will be productive in their late 30's and who will drop off a cliff. Give them 1-2 year deals and re-evauate when their contracts expire. I would love to sign Dupuis this summer, but I wouldn't give him more than 2 years.
4. Get a better grip of which players "lead" on the ice and which "follow" and I'm not talking about charisma or leadership skills. I. E. identify which players drive the play and which players that are productive "in the right environment" and poor otherwise.
An example on defence: Girardi, Del Zotto, and Eminger are followers, Staal, McDonagh and Strålman are leaders. The latter 3 play at a similar level whoever they are paired with, but the former three needs to play with one of the latter 3 to be productive. Pair two from the former group and you have a trainwreck on ice. I'm not saying Strålman is a better or more valuable player than Girardi, but he is more flexible.
I would however definitely only try to move defencemen from the former group as I believe their trade value exceeds their actual value. I.E. the difference between Girardi's and Strålman's trade value is a lot bigger than the difference between their value on the ice.
Del Zotto is probably the #1 player I'd like to move on our roster. Girardi needs to stay, mainly due to our lack of RHD's as well as his presence in the locker room.
This analysis must extend to the choice of lineup. Don't put too many "leaders" on the same line and be forced to make up the other lines of "followers", we'll just be a one-line team. That was very evident when we were relying on the Hagelin-Stepan-Nash line, where we put our three strongest leaders at the time on the same line. The rest of the lines blew.
The Zucarello and Brassard acquisitions were very important due to this reason, they both seem to be "leader" types. I am however beginning to doubt Nash's status as a "leader"-player. Brassard has a track-record as a follower, but has played like a leader as a Ranger, we'll see how that develops. Zucc has been a leader type his whole career.
I perceived Callahan as one of the best "leader"-types in the league until 11-12, where either 1 of 2 things happened: (1) he changed his game after being given a bigger role, or (2) it was actually Dubinsky that was the leader on that line and after their separation (that begun quite early in 11-12, they rarely played on the same line) Callahan's flaws became more evident. In my eyes, Callahan has demoted himself to "follower" on the ice and has to prove himself once again before I can reinstate him as a leader in my eyes (again, not to be confused with leader in the locker room).
We already got rid of one (albeit an excellent one) follower in Gaborik, and got a good return for it that will make us a lot better in the long run. Another is on his way out (Richards). I hope we will continue this trend as we will have a much more flexible team with more leader-type players.
Actually, cashing in on followers (or staying away from renewing their contracts when they get expensive) is the way competitive teams stay competitive. The Devils were excellent at this.
Kreider Typical
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dubinsky, prust, fedotenko, anisimov, rupp ,and even mitchell all had one thing in common... they won battles on the boards. for whatever reason, this year's team cannot. we need to address that more than anything at this point. guys need camp to fix it or something.
that's our biggest difference from last year imo. we are w/o a doubt in my mind a better built team than last year, but we lose battles on the boards and everything else implodes
that's our biggest difference from last year imo. we are w/o a doubt in my mind a better built team than last year, but we lose battles on the boards and everything else implodes
I'm a glass half full guy. They were first in the east last yr, this was not a full yr. u just march out the same coach and similar team after a full camp. Richards but out and sign Weiss that's about it. Bring clowe back too
The Rangers have too many similar prospect forwards in the AHL next season. Not enough D. McIlrath is the only prospect D. Skjei will be in Minnesota or maybe the WHL if he goes pro. The They have signed Allen and Hughes as free agents. Maybe flip Thomas for a defenseman. Either a young NHL D or a prospect D. Thomas was a 2nd in 2010.
Leetch66
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How true...it only has been like at least 3 years since we had somebody like that . I remember some of us wanting Carkner or as such here about 4 years ago .
Staal for 5th overall + Roster, trade up to 2/3 and grab one of Mackinnon or Drouin
At least in my fantasy world, that's what I'd like to see happen. Both will play next year. Step, Brass, Mackinnon and Boyle/Lindberg down the middle. I guess that's why they call it a dream
At least in my fantasy world, that's what I'd like to see happen. Both will play next year. Step, Brass, Mackinnon and Boyle/Lindberg down the middle. I guess that's why they call it a dream
Are u worried about the D? I mean isn't girardi the oldest at still under 30. Mcd, staal? Dz, Moore are young and as u mention mcilrath is in the system. They could just sign a vet to add to the D
pld459666
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I keep seeing guys put together rosters that are still to soft, small and still very slow.
Boyle and Miller on the 3rd line will get pinned consistently, In fact Boyle should be relegated to the 4th line and 4th line only.
As long as we do not address size, speed and tenacity we are always going to have this problem of getting pinned in our zone.
We need to get bigger, stronger, faster and a lot more prickish to play against.
Impose our will with those four things and the talent base that we have can help us win games.
Boyle and Miller on the 3rd line will get pinned consistently, In fact Boyle should be relegated to the 4th line and 4th line only.
As long as we do not address size, speed and tenacity we are always going to have this problem of getting pinned in our zone.
We need to get bigger, stronger, faster and a lot more prickish to play against.
Impose our will with those four things and the talent base that we have can help us win games.
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
First off, no one is trading a top 10 pick for an uncertain Marc Staal whose value is at an all-time low now. If he regains his form, or it's indicated his vision is better, that's different.
Players like Lindberg, Miller, Fasth bring speed, skill and tenacity. The only thing those guys really lack is jumbo size.
pld459666
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CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($3.500m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Ryane Clowe ($4.000m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Raffi Torres ($2.000m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.760m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Kris Newbury ($0.600m) / Jesper Fasth ($0.900m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($3.750m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
John Moore ($0.965m) / Steve Eminger ($0.950m)
Dylan McIlrath ($1.295m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
OTHER
Buyout: Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,047,500; BONUSES: $2,250,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,502,500
pld459666
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never insinuated trading Staal for a top 10 pick.
However I do believe that you can get a Bobby Ryan for Staal++
With the Ducks committing 17+ million to 2 players at forward and the emergence od Palmieri and Etem, rounding out their defence I believe would be a priority.
Ryan is the most likely trade chip to address that.
haveandare
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I disagree with pretty much all of this.
The team hasn't figured out how to get by without Staal. They look noticeably worse without him. When he was playing this year it was clear to me at least that he was the top defenseman.
Eminger or McI as 5 is a disaster waiting to happen IMO. I don't see any good reason for hurting the D corp like that. Moore and Stralman as 3 and 4 and Eminger or McI as 5 and a guy like Murray or McBain as 6? I would not ice that defense if I wanted to win. That's simply not good enough, and it's even worse considering the d that NYR would be downgrading from.
I don't think it's stupid or a myth that the D is good. Last year, they were arguably the best in the league. This year, again, going by GA/G they were very effective. I don't care how they look doing it, I care about results and they get them. This idea that the team wouldn't make the playoffs without their best player is blown up around here and I'm not sure why. Any team with a player who is arguably the best at their position right now depends on that player. Welcome to team-building in the NHL in 2013. You don't get a handful of elite players, you get one or two and you build your game around them.
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
Staal's value is at an all-time low now though and honestly, he's a difference maker.
They may be up in this series 3-1 or it be tied if Staal was playing.
To get Ryan the Ducks are gonna want Staal/Kreider/pick or Staal/1st rounder/Fast or Miller. Rangers can't do that.
Staal for 5th overall + Roster, trade up to 2/3 and grab one of Mackinnon or Drouin
At least in my fantasy world, that's what I'd like to see happen. Both will play next year. Step, Brass, Mackinnon and Boyle/Lindberg down the middle. I guess that's why they call it a dream
Why would Carolina move the 5th pick for an injury prone defenseman that has severe eye issues and concussion history? That seems awfully incompetent of them, especially since they can get him for free waiting just one season.
haveandare
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1. Realize it's hard to win a cup and no series of moves are going to solve every problem.
2. Don't turnover large parts of the offense or defense this year. Don't trade for that one forward who will put the team "over the top."
3. Start the season with Torts and see how the team looks with a full camp and proper conditioning etc. If they look lost, find a new coach. If they look alright but the PP is still awful, demand that a PP coach come in.
2. Don't turnover large parts of the offense or defense this year. Don't trade for that one forward who will put the team "over the top."
3. Start the season with Torts and see how the team looks with a full camp and proper conditioning etc. If they look lost, find a new coach. If they look alright but the PP is still awful, demand that a PP coach come in.
Fitzy
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Two seasons. Getting hit in the eye with a puck doesn't, in my book, constitute injury prone. His other injury was Eric Staal boarding him in the head.
Between you and me, Kershaw, it may be the right time to move Marc, value-wise. RB has said, NYR must ascertain his future goals. If he wants to go to Carolina, deal him there. Drouin has the potential to be a big time scorer in this league.
He's missed 50% due to injury in past 2 seasons. Injury prone. No lottery team is giving up their pick for that.
Getting hit in the eye and having remarks of not seeing clearly enough to play seems like a huge risk to me. Staal's concussion is also a big risk, as is any other player who's had a concussion before (Clowe). Why else isn't Staal in the lineup since playing that 1 playoff game?
Value wise, we may get Tuomo Ruutu and a 2nd round pick, which I am not content with personally. There is zero reason for the Canes to give up anything of value for Staal and his recent injury history.
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