Speculation: 2013 Off-Season Speculation/Be the GM Thread
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NYR Viper
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Mashinter is an interesting option for the 4th line. He skates well for a guy his size, he is a tough customer and his hands are above average for a guy who can handle the rough stuff well. His only problem, from when I saw him, was that he wasn't trying to impose his will.
I think it's more an attitude adjustment than anything else. Tell him his job is to intimidate, hit and cause a ruckus and I think he would be fine. He has the skills to score some goals as well.
I thought the games that he played during the regular season he was more than capable. Good skater, decent hands, antagonizes and can back it up. Hits with a purpose.
i was hoping he would be in the Gaborik deal.... another player i like is that rugged guy Boll.. I wish NYR had a player like him in the system..
Rangers should draft their own enforcer type player... maybe Jason Wilson in a few years if he ever makes it.. all of the NYR gritty guys are not big at all but they do have a big heart.. Rangers should try to find a legit young tough guy that can play a little.. 6'2 200 + under 25 years old.. i was hoping for Peluso before claimed by the Jets.. maybe Kyle Clifford from the Kings.. id love to snag him...1 - Even if Richards is bought out, you are overestimating the amount of cap space the Rangers have. I'm worried someone will sign Stepan / McD / Hags to an offer letter. These guys are going to get big raises.
2 - You can never have enough depth at defense, especially when you consider the style the team plays, and especially especially with the questions around Staal's health. There will be movement re the fringe players like Hamirlik and Gilroy, but you absolutely don't trade guys who log minutes unless someone is coming back.
3 - It's my own fault for reading this thread, but the majority of these posts are a waste of time because they are literally stupid moves that kids make on their playstation. Video games aren't real.
2 - You can never have enough depth at defense, especially when you consider the style the team plays, and especially especially with the questions around Staal's health. There will be movement re the fringe players like Hamirlik and Gilroy, but you absolutely don't trade guys who log minutes unless someone is coming back.
3 - It's my own fault for reading this thread, but the majority of these posts are a waste of time because they are literally stupid moves that kids make on their playstation. Video games aren't real.
NYR Viper
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Here's something I thought of the other day, what about something like:
Pyatt for Moen?
Moen is a guy who can go with heavies if needed, he skates well, good in the playoffs, hard along the boards, good leader. Would be a good 4th line LWer. He also PK's.
Normally good for 10-18 points a year, nothing earth shattering. Can play center in a pinch.
Edit - His contract is far from ideal.
Boll is a UFA after next season. He would be a nice UFA acquisition.
Pyatt for Moen?
Moen is a guy who can go with heavies if needed, he skates well, good in the playoffs, hard along the boards, good leader. Would be a good 4th line LWer. He also PK's.
Normally good for 10-18 points a year, nothing earth shattering. Can play center in a pinch.
Edit - His contract is far from ideal.
i was hoping he would be in the Gaborik deal.... another player i like is that rugged guy Boll.. I wish NYR had a player like him in the system..
Boll is a UFA after next season. He would be a nice UFA acquisition.
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pld459666
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salary for Stepan and McDonagh are of no concern.
We have Boyle, Pyatt, Asham and Powe all making a million or more that can be moved in order to accomodate salary.
With the Cap going down to 64.3 million, I have a hard time believing that there are going to be teams willing to target Stepan and McD with offer-sheets in the 5+ million range as that is what it's going to take to get the players to actually SIGN them.
Remember, at the end of the day, the players have to be willing to sign the offer-sheet.
Both McD and Stepan have been treated very well here in NY where they are both loved by the entire fan base. There are alot of reasons to remain here outside of the money.
I dont think the cap is a problem if Richards gets bought out. The Gaborik trade provided a lot of relief and filled several roster spots for cheaper.
I also dont think Stepan, McDonagh, and - especially - Hagelin will get the big raises people are expecting.
Shortened season, cap doing down...the market is not going to be very good for the players.
Without Richards buy-out, the Rangers have ~ 13.5MM of space for next year. If you assume Stepan, McD, Hags for 3-4, 3-4, and 2-3, that's 8 - 11M right there. That leaves ~ 3 - 5 MM of cap space for Clowe and any other UFA out there.
Regarding offer sheets of 5+ million, please refer to Ryan O'Rielly. And while you can move guys like Asham, etc., they still need to be replaced on the roster, and even ELC guys have cap hits around a 1MM. Point is, you don't get much space from moving them.
Finally, fans always overestimate how much an organization / city means to a player. Fact is, contracts are negotiated by agents so there isn't often a huge price discount because of this factor alone.
Agreed. I thought he would be a great fit against the Bruins, would neutralize Thornton.
If Richards does get bought out, then your correct in that it's not nearly as big of an issue.
I would agree with you regarding the players raises in theory, but new CBA didnt do anything to prevent ROR getting a 5+ sheet and guys like Ryan / Getlaz getting deals with 8+ MM cap hits. I know our guys arent at that level, but the point is i dont think offers are going to drop as much as you'd expect. Especially when you consider Stepans #s are similar to what ROR were before the deal, and there isn't a deep market of defenseman otu there.
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NYR Viper
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It's plenty of space.
And that is with them keeping Richards and not trading anyone and carryong (2) extra forwards and an extra d-man which I doubt they do.
If you want to re-sign Clowe, trade Pyatt and re-sign him for 3-3.5 and the team is more than fine.
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As noted a million times this post-season, the Bruins have a great fourth line. Thing is, the Rangers can build a very similar fourth line to what the Bruins have...
If we can open next season with:
Asham - Boyle/Miller - Dorsett
as our fourth line, it means a few things. We have the right depth in the top-9, and that fourth line is a line that can be trusted. This is also a fourth line that no team in the playoffs is going to want to match up against. I'm not too huge on Asham, so Haley could take that spot too.
As I've said plenty of times, I think Boyle is a fourth liner, and really don't want to see him lining up in the top-9 come October.
Can Lindberg be a 3C next year? Can Miller be that guy?
Sign Robyn Regher to a two year deal as a stop gap for McIlrath and as a veteran presence, and let's infuse some youth and speed into the forward corps!
If we can open next season with:
Asham - Boyle/Miller - Dorsett
as our fourth line, it means a few things. We have the right depth in the top-9, and that fourth line is a line that can be trusted. This is also a fourth line that no team in the playoffs is going to want to match up against. I'm not too huge on Asham, so Haley could take that spot too.
As I've said plenty of times, I think Boyle is a fourth liner, and really don't want to see him lining up in the top-9 come October.
Can Lindberg be a 3C next year? Can Miller be that guy?
Sign Robyn Regher to a two year deal as a stop gap for McIlrath and as a veteran presence, and let's infuse some youth and speed into the forward corps!
NYR Viper
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Surprisingly, this isn't that far off. Thornton is a very effective 4th liner. Would love for the Rangers to be able to develop a player like that.
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Thornton is a great 4th liner. However, being a fourth liner, it means there are at least 9 forwards I'm more concerned with.
Definitely wouldn't acquire a player to "neutralize" him.
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Maybe, it would be nice to have a team that can stand up for itself and handle anything that's thrown at them on the ice. That is one thing the Bruins have right, they are more than capable of mucking it up if the other team wants to do that. I wish the Rangers had that ability.
hummm, Mashinter is already a Ranger, who is talking about acquiring a player to neutralize him?
Thornton is throwing is weight around and that 4th line is flying, single handedly won the 3rd game for them. The only player who can even stand up to him is Dorsett and it's a mismatch. Mashinter would be a better match up. That's all i am trying to say.
That's what made this team so successful in 11 and 12. They need to add bodily pain to the other team as well
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My bad, here.
I certainly wouldn't say that the 4th line's 6 minutes of ice time "single handedly won the 3rd game", but they played well. I also think that there's nothing this new and improvement Mashinter could do to stop that.
Yea, thats nice. What would be nicer is if this team could consistently score more goals. If you can get both of these attributes in one player, great.
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Yes. They played a great game, but I don't think you can write off the other 54 minutes.
Stepan. Callahan. Nash. Hagelin. Brassard. Kreider. Six of the top nine forwards. Fourth line forwards. Boyle. Dorsett. Pyatt. Asham. Power. Zuccarello is a group II. He has had his moments. For the right price,Zuccarello could give them some offensive depth. He has struggled in this series going up against the bigger Bruins. At the very least,he is an asset. Clowe is a group IIi. Prospect forwards. Miller. Lindberg. Fasth.Thomas. Hrivik. Yogan. Jean. Bourque. The Rangers need to figure out the remaining top 9 forwards. Acquire another top 9 center. Unless they feel Miller and/or Lindberg don't need much time. It depends. Miller is best suited in the middle. He adds some size and strength there.
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Yeah, I would be in favor of having that all over the line-up, but it would be a good start to have it on the lower lines at the very least.
pld459666
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every year we hear about the Rangers cap problems and every year we have NO PROBLEMS.
Usually it's the non-Rangers fans that spout the ficticious issues the Rangers face. Now we have our own fans panicing?
Rangers will have NO CAP issues this summer.
The following summer? Maybe. Not this year
Usually it's the non-Rangers fans that spout the ficticious issues the Rangers face. Now we have our own fans panicing?
Rangers will have NO CAP issues this summer.
The following summer? Maybe. Not this year
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