Speculation: 2013 NHL Trade Deadline Thread (CBJ deadline discussion here)

[KeithBWhittington]

Personally, I don't see any way Columbus becomes what most fans would define as a "buyer" regardless of where we are. HOwever, I don't think there would be as significant a sell off. The biggest challenge I see with this team is that 12 of the last 17 games are on the road. We are sitting on a pace of 48 pts which likely doesn't get us in the playoffs. I still think moves will be made to continue to reshape the team but it will be tricky. You can't "blow it up" when you are in a position to challenge for the playoffs.

It would absolutely affect the players to sell several pieces, however, selling doesn't mean dumping players. I think that's the rub with most fans. YOu can move players and get back players that can still help with the playoff push and help with the future.

I could see a token move in an attempt to add some scoring for this season and beyond, but nothing major as far as moves to buy that risk significant parts of the future.

A massive sell (2 or 3 big pieces) is more likely than a massive "Buy" right now.

I think we see maybe a small move that mainly affects Springfield more, but one that could pay dividends in the future here in Columbus. But I don't expect big changes to the current roster, at least this trade deadline.

 

[CapnCornelius]

Personally, I don't see any way Columbus becomes what most fans would define as a "buyer" regardless of where we are. HOwever, I don't think there would be as significant a sell off. The biggest challenge I see with this team is that 12 of the last 17 games are on the road. We are sitting on a pace of 48 pts which likely doesn't get us in the playoffs. I still think moves will be made to continue to reshape the team but it will be tricky. You can't "blow it up" when you are in a position to challenge for the playoffs.

It would absolutely affect the players to sell several pieces, however, selling doesn't mean dumping players. I think that's the rub with most fans. YOu can move players and get back players that can still help with the playoff push and help with the future.

The team is probably forced into a situation where it has to make the dreaded "hockey move"--trade from a position of strength to address a position of weakness. To be honest, it was probably the only real move they've had outside of a long shot of trading a guy like Prospal for a late first round or a second round pick. I think the way the season has played out, if they make a move it is probably trading a defenseman for scoring. I remember a few weeks back seeing us linked to Philly. They still make some sense. They've got some young forwards that have underperformed and they have needed a defenseman since before Pronger went down.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Personally, I don't see any way Columbus becomes what most fans would define as a "buyer" regardless of where we are.

I could see a token move in an attempt to add some scoring for this season and beyond, but nothing major as far as moves to buy that risk significant parts of the future.

It seems prudent to assume a couple things. First, that draft picks or prospects for veteran players not expected to be part of the team moving forward is probably a good thing, although as many have said, how will it affect the remaining team given the recent play. Second, that the team won't be looking to add rentals for a playoff push.

However, if an opportunity becomes available to pursue a player who would not be a rental but would be a significant add to the team moving forward, I guess I'm not ruling out the possibility JK/JG take a look-see. For example, say the Avs decide for real that they want to move Stastny. I admit I have no idea whether JK/JD would even be interested in him as a player, but if they did, and could be in the discussion without giving up pieces they value moving forward, or would be willing to part with moving forward (Moore/Erixon/Golo and high picks), who knows? (And perhaps it's more likely an offseason-type thing.)

I posted a list of players a couple pages back. Totally spitballing, and not advocating acquiring anyn of these guys: Stastny, Kennedy, Stewart, Versteeg, Pavelski, Stafford, Pominville.

 

[KeithBWhittington]

Is it fair to assume that none of us really want that 'mercenary" feel to a trade? I'd like the first question to be asked when acquiring a new player, if it is at the deadline, to be "What can this guy do for us in the coming years?"

 

[Roadman]

Is it fair to assume that none of us really want that 'mercenary" feel to a trade? I'd like the first question to be asked when acquiring a new player, if it is at the deadline, to be "What can this guy do for us in the coming years?"

I would have to think, given all JD has espoused in his public statements, that this would be of primary concern.

 

[Fro]

if we look at players that aren't "rentals" that may fit in with what we want to do (in theory) would Philly split with Matt Read for an up and coming NHL ready dman (Goloubef?)

 

[Samkow]

if we look at players that aren't "rentals" that may fit in with what we want to do (in theory) would Philly split with Matt Read for an up and coming NHL ready dman (Goloubef?)

It'd take more than just Goloubef.

 

[Fro]

It'd take more than just Goloubef.

that was my thought, i left that off...just is it CG and a mid round pick? another dman (ruth?)

 

[Kev22]

It's hard for the "big picture" to come into focus without knowing more about how JK and JD have handled previous trade deadlines. I really am beginning to believe that picks in the first three rounds are likely off limits. As for who might move off this club and to where, I think depends on whether they want to trade a player to a team that eventually become a divisional opponent. Example: Umberger to Pittsburgh.

I guess in the end if the deal is best for the club, it will happen. I hope this team makes the playoffs, but looking at the coming schedule, I'm not sure it happens. It's ironic that we finish up a Western Canada swing right before the deadline. If they go out there and tear it up and stay in the hunt, I think the Jackets stand pat. If they go out there and stink up the joint, I think you'll see a good deal of movement.

I think we should keep an eye on the following teams as trade partners: Blackhawks, Canucks, Penguins, Sharks and Flyers. The Hawks and Canucks are looking for pieces that the Jackets just might have a fit (Brassard). Penguins (Umberger), Sharks (big shakeup) and Flyers (defense).

 

[Samkow]

that was my thought, i left that off...just is it CG and a mid round pick? another dman (ruth?)

Goloubef has little value. We saw Keaton Ellerby and Ben Lovejoy go for 5th round picks this season. I'd place Goloubef in the same range. And Ruth has no trade value at this point.

 

[Mayor Bee]

I wouldn't be shocked to see a deal made of some type with Winnipeg. They only have a handful of players (10 out of the 28 on their current roster) committed to their team next year, and their farm system is still pretty thin. There's a total of 14 defensemen in the entire system who are under contract, 10 of whom are currently on the NHL roster. Three of them are pending UFAs (Hainsey, Clitsome, Meech).

There's also some dead weight up front, and only a couple of their AHL forwards who might be able to play at the NHL level next year.

 

[Fro]

Goloubef has little value. We saw Keaton Ellerby and Ben Lovejoy go for 5th round picks this season. I'd place Goloubef in the same range. And Ruth has no trade value at this point.

i agree on Ruth, only slightly on CG...i think he showed he has some talent at this level and didn't look out of place playing decent minutes...a team like the Flyers needs some cheap NHL talent and may be willing to pay a premium for it due to cap situation

 

[Samkow]

i agree on Ruth, only slightly on CG...i think he showed he has some talent at this level and didn't look out of place playing decent minutes...a team like the Flyers needs some cheap NHL talent and may be willing to pay a premium for it due to cap situation

Goloubef is a prospect, not NHL talent you pay a premium for.

Now you change "CG" to Moore or Nikitin and what you said definitely applies. It's something I'd look into during the summer if Murray's rehab goes normally.

 

[Fro]

Goloubef is a prospect, not NHL talent you pay a premium for.

Now you change "CG" to Moore or Nikitin and what you said definitely applies. It's something I'd look into during the summer if Murray's rehab goes normally.

I think I'm still ok with changing it to either of those...

 

[NotWendell]

I think you could trade Nikitin and a mid round pick for an unheralded sniper. Then, bring up a guy like Golobef to fill his spot. Sort of like what LA did last year (Johnson for Carter) but on a smaller scale.

 

[CBOJ]

I can see us trading a defensemen for some scoring if we are still in it at the deadline. I can also see a trade for a player like Letestu. A pick for a player buried on a more talented roster not get getting a shot. Not sure who would fit into that mold, but with those types of trades, you rarely are able to see them coming

 

[Samkow]

I think you could trade Nikitin and a mid round pick for an unheralded sniper. Then, bring up a guy like Golobef to fill his spot. Sort of like what LA did last year (Johnson for Carter) but on a smaller scale.

Jack Johnson has always struck me as a quintessential Flyers type of player. Only thing he's missing is a terrible contract.

If they completely strike out at getting a defensemen through free agency, I could see them paying a kings ransom for Johnson.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Jack Johnson has always struck me as a quintessential Flyers type of player. Only thing he's missing is a terrible contract.

If they completely strike out at getting a defensemen through free agency, I could see them paying a kings ransom for Johnson.

I don't think they'd be interested; he's not really a Flyers type of defenseman. He's too young, too quick, has too much offensive skill, and doesn't have an NTC.

 

[NotWendell]

Why are some people seemingly so quick to get rid of Jack Johnson?!? He's exactly the type of player we want on this team.

 

[Roadman]

Why are some people seemingly so quick to get rid of Jack Johnson?!? He's exactly the type of player we want on this team.

Haven't you heard? According to advanced stats he's terrible, we are so much better of when he is off the ice than when he is on. We really ought to be paying someone to take him off our hands.

 

[Nordique]

I think you could trade Nikitin and a mid round pick for an unheralded sniper. Then, bring up a guy like Golobef to fill his spot. Sort of like what LA did last year (Johnson for Carter) but on a smaller scale.

Nikitin is the one guy I keep coming back to in my mind as well.

He has 1 year left on his contract, and we appear to be talented, deep, and young on the blue line. Goloubef has been solid in his time up this year, as has Prout and of course Erixon...and then there is that Murray kid

I'd float Nik out there and see what can be had. Worse case, no worth offer comes in and you sit pat.

 

[Dr. Fire]

I agree on Nikitin, but disagree on Letestu. I think Test tube has been a big part of this teams chemistry, and when he scores they tend to be big goals. Not that there are a lot of unimportant goals scored, but you know what I mean.

 

[Crede777]

Goloubef + JAM for Read?

Haven't you heard? According to advanced stats he's terrible, we are so much better of when he is off the ice than when he is on. We really ought to be paying someone to take him off our hands.

Last night on the Tyutin - Johnson pairing there was a guy playing on his off-side who was defensively sound and transitioned the puck really well. Then there was a guy who was more of a defensive liability but really chipped in offensively. Guess who was who. (Hint: Johnson is the first one.)

 

[Samkow]

Goloubef + JAM for Read?

Once again, Goloubef doesn't have as much value as most on here think, given what similar defensemen have gone for this year. And JAM has minimal value.

Read isn't going to be traded for a package of spare parts. Not nearly enough.

 

[Roadman]

Goloubef + JAM for Read?



Last night on the Tyutin - Johnson pairing there was a guy playing on his off-side who was defensively sound and transitioned the puck really well. Then there was a guy who was more of a defensive liability but really chipped in offensively. Guess who was who. (Hint: Johnson is the first one.)

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