2013 New Jersey Devils (Team News, Player Discussion - Part X)

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Wingman77

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With Kovy out, we don't have a single player that creates space for themselves on the ice

Every guy we have, most of which are plugs that play similar games, are guys that play their games along the boards and we're literally on the outside of the play looking in a majority of the time

It is sickening seeing us play most of every game chipping and passing along the boards, thats how bad things are, we can't even make open ****ing ice passes

You need guys like we have on your team, but not the high number of them that we have which is pretty much most of our lineup
 

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With Kovy out, we don't have a single player that creates space for themselves on the ice

Every guy we have, most of which are plugs that play similar games, are guys that play their games along the boards and we're literally on the outside of the play looking in a majority of the time

It is sickening seeing us play most of every game chipping and passing along the boards, thats how bad things are, we can't even make open ****ing ice passes

You need guys like we have on your team, but not the high number of them that we have which is pretty much most of our lineup

agreed, i hope this year finally proves the importance of forwards like semin and pmds (yeah i know, the magical pmds).

say what you will about players like that, but without them, you can't score consistently. you need d-men that can take control of the puck and make quick, receivable passes or carry it out of the zone. you need forwards that can pick corners and actually end up with the puck in the slot more than once a week.

our d-men outside of zidlicky and sometimes greene, harrold and tallinder are flat out laughable with the puck. none of them can make accurate passes, none of them can skate it, and none of them besides zidlicky, greene, and harrold show any kind of offensive instincts or creativity in the o-zone. larsson and fayne should at least be good at the first two, but they haven't been able to stay in the lineup long enough to get in a groove. harrold doesn't have the decision making to be in the lineup as a d-man every day, and tallinder is a similar story to fayne and larsson.

then on the rare occasions we get control of the puck in the offensive zone, we just ring it around the boards a couple of times and then cough it up. our forwards hardly ever break free inside the faceoff dots or in the high slot and even when they do nobody has the skill to get a pass to them. even if by some miracle they do, they end up shooting it right into the goalie's crest.

we have plenty of good complementary players, but we're missing one or two more impact scorers. be they wingers or d-men or what have you, that lift all those players up. that's why we can never score, that's why we jump on guys like clarkson or zajac whenever they aren't scoring, and that's why we probably aren't making the playoffs this year.

we don't have to get another parise, but a more well built d-corp (read keep greene and zidlicky, make harrold the extra again, let fayne and larsson play every day, and limit the guys that are useless offensively like salvador and volch to one) and another true top 6 scorer or two, someone you know you can get ~30/30/60 from, would go a long way towards that.

unfortunately that might take another season or two to pull off.
 

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Goals per 60 mins for the career of some UFA wingers.

Iginla 1.43
Horton 1.16
Raymond .85
Ryder 1.22
Stalberg .98
MacArthur .93
Clowe .88
Bickell .86
Filppula .76
Ponikarovsky .86
Elias 1.23
Clarkson .97
Zubrus .77
 

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With Kovy out, we don't have a single player that creates space for themselves on the ice

Every guy we have, most of which are plugs that play similar games, are guys that play their games along the boards and we're literally on the outside of the play looking in a majority of the time

It is sickening seeing us play most of every game chipping and passing along the boards, thats how bad things are, we can't even make open ****ing ice passes

You need guys like we have on your team, but not the high number of them that we have which is pretty much most of our lineup

cliff notes: low on top end talent, high on 3rd liners :(
 

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Unless he resigns. Seems like that's the route these UFAs-to-be are taking this year.

Because that's what the the new CBA incentivises teams and UFAs to do. UFAs can get more guaranteed money and years by staying with their teams than they can anywhere else. I think we will continue to see barren UFA markets for years until the CBA changes again.

Guys, say we let Kosto walk

Would you be opposed to getting Weise's rights. He was a scorer in the WHL, he is like Kosto in that he fights but gets killed, but he is a decent hockey player..for a 4th line role it would be good I think

Dale Weise? Why even bother getting his rights? He won't be in high demand. Just wait for him to go UFA.

If you mean Stephen Weiss, then yes I want to go after him.
 

Wingman77

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agreed, i hope this year finally proves the importance of forwards like semin and pmds (yeah i know, the magical pmds).

say what you will about players like that, but without them, you can't score consistently. you need d-men that can take control of the puck and make quick, receivable passes or carry it out of the zone. you need forwards that can pick corners and actually end up with the puck in the slot more than once a week.

our d-men outside of zidlicky and sometimes greene, harrold and tallinder are flat out laughable with the puck. none of them can make accurate passes, none of them can skate it, and none of them besides zidlicky, greene, and harrold show any kind of offensive instincts or creativity in the o-zone. larsson and fayne should at least be good at the first two, but they haven't been able to stay in the lineup long enough to get in a groove. harrold doesn't have the decision making to be in the lineup as a d-man every day, and tallinder is a similar story to fayne and larsson.

then on the rare occasions we get control of the puck in the offensive zone, we just ring it around the boards a couple of times and then cough it up. our forwards hardly ever break free inside the faceoff dots or in the high slot and even when they do nobody has the skill to get a pass to them. even if by some miracle they do, they end up shooting it right into the goalie's crest.

we have plenty of good complementary players, but we're missing one or two more impact scorers. be they wingers or d-men or what have you, that lift all those players up. that's why we can never score, that's why we jump on guys like clarkson or zajac whenever they aren't scoring, and that's why we probably aren't making the playoffs this year.

we don't have to get another parise, but a more well built d-corp (read keep greene and zidlicky, make harrold the extra again, let fayne and larsson play every day, and limit the guys that are useless offensively like salvador and volch to one) and another true top 6 scorer or two, someone you know you can get ~30/30/60 from, would go a long way towards that.

unfortunately that might take another season or two to pull off.

Yup, you need variety on a team

Our defense is a similar situation as the forward situation, too much of the same thing

I can't stand some of the decisions Zidlicky makes, but we haven't seen a defensemen on this team bring the offensive ability that he does/can since Rafalski and losing Zidlicky for that regard will hurt especially if we can't bring somebody else in - which I don't believe will happen because I can just sense that the organization is going to give the kids a shot next year

Fayne has the offensive ability, but I am convinced he is restricted to an extent by the team - watch him closely for a few games, you'll notice how many times he is skating up the ice with the puck and has plenty of room to keep moving forward, but once he hits that red line, BAM he dumps the puck in - every single time.....I think he has more offense to offer
 

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Because that's what the the new CBA incentivises teams and UFAs to do. UFAs can get more guaranteed money and years by staying with their teams than they can anywhere else. I think we will continue to see barren UFA markets for years until the CBA changes again.



Dale Weise? Why even bother getting his rights? He won't be in high demand. Just wait for him to go UFA.

If you mean Stephen Weiss, then yes I want to go after him.

Dale, I know its stupid but he's something this team needs I think...a guy who can play hockey but also is a halfway decent fighter.
 

Rhodes 81

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Yup, you need variety on a team

Our defense is a similar situation as the forward situation, too much of the same thing

I can't stand some of the decisions Zidlicky makes, but we haven't seen a defensemen on this team bring the offensive ability that he does/can since Rafalski and losing Zidlicky for that regard will hurt especially if we can't bring somebody else in - which I don't believe will happen because I can just sense that the organization is going to give the kids a shot next year

Fayne has the offensive ability, but I am convinced he is restricted to an extent by the team - watch him closely for a few games, you'll notice how many times he is skating up the ice with the puck and has plenty of room to keep moving forward, but once he hits that red line, BAM he dumps the puck in - every single time.....I think he has more offense to offer

zidlicky makes mistakes, for sure, but i'll live with it because of the offense he brings.
re: fayne. i've noticed that with him and and pretty much everyone not named zidlicky. unless they're somehow heading the rush, they never seem to carry the puck in. in fact nobody on our team seems willing to do anything other than dump and chase most of the time. it's pretty painful to watch. there are times when it's good to make the safe, easy play and times when you need to take calculated risks, and as a whole the team just doesn't know or isn't willing to take those risks.
 

Benedict Parisechuk

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With Kovy out, we don't have a single player that creates space for themselves on the ice

Every guy we have, most of which are plugs that play similar games, are guys that play their games along the boards and we're literally on the outside of the play looking in a majority of the time

It is sickening seeing us play most of every game chipping and passing along the boards, thats how bad things are, we can't even make open ****ing ice passes

You need guys like we have on your team, but not the high number of them that we have which is pretty much most of our lineup

Yup I agree with all of this. We have a team full of 3rd liners. I've been noticing that for a while. Elias and maybe Lokti are the only exceptions. Were also one of the worst passing teams I've ever seen. How many goals have we scored off tic-tac-toe plays and such? They couldn't even convert a solid cross ice pass on the 5 on 3 yesterday :help:
 

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zidlicky makes mistakes, for sure, but i'll live with it because of the offense he brings.
re: fayne. i've noticed that with him and and pretty much everyone not named zidlicky. unless they're somehow heading the rush, they never seem to carry the puck in. in fact nobody on our team seems willing to do anything other than dump and chase most of the time. it's pretty painful to watch. there are times when it's good to make the safe, easy play and times when you need to take calculated risks, and as a whole the team just doesn't know or isn't willing to take those risks.

I agree, We were spoiled with Niedermayer and Rafalski being awesome defensively. But usually offensive defenseman are somewhat mistake prone defensively. Paul Coffey wasn't a penalty killer.
 

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Yup I agree with all of this. We have a team full of 3rd liners. I've been noticing that for a while. Elias and maybe Lokti are the only exceptions. Were also one of the worst passing teams I've ever seen. How many goals have we scored off tic-tac-toe plays and such? They couldn't even convert a solid cross ice pass on the 5 on 3 yesterday :help:

i watched my local echl team in the playoffs yesterday and remembered how awesome it is to be cheering for a team that can connect some passes together and move the puck into the crease.

they also scored the winning goal with 16 seconds left and the steve martin look alike in front of me set the olympic record for standing high-jump as a result. man was that guy pumped. he didn't know that it was illegal to cross check the other team's goalie though.
 

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my only concern with horton, is he really that much better than clarkson???? also, tough to bank on UFAs signing with you considering there are 29 other options. TBH i think horton stays in boston hes in a damn good situation there dont see why he would want to leave unless he prices himself out of what theyll pay. in which case once again is he really worth it?
 

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i watched my local echl team in the playoffs yesterday and remembered how awesome it is to be cheering for a team that can connect some passes together and move the puck into the crease.

they also scored the winning goal with 16 seconds left and the steve martin look alike in front of me set the olympic record for standing high-jump as a result. man was that guy pumped. he didn't know that it was illegal to cross check the other team's goalie though.

So an ECHL team is playing a better brand of hockey than us. Thats good to know :laugh:
 

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I'm starting to wonder if Pete is the right coach for our prospects. It just dawned on me last night. Josefson deserved to be in the ahl and so did tedenby though maybe he deserved one more game with Elias and clarkson. Though I had no confidence it would have went over well. Though the way fayne and Larsson have been handled makes me mad. It's mostly on Lou for keeping so many d men around though.
 

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Teams know we'll drop pass at the blue line. They know we'll chip it in and come at them from the lower half of the circle. And they know that the d will shoot from the corners of the blue line.

Basically, they know that we'll show a minimum of creativity when Elias is on the bench.

Man, if there's any reason to play Larsson, it's for that tipped pass play in the slot. Something different from the blueline at least.
 

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Our scouts have earned poor grades overall and if Hamilton continues to outshine Larsson.......

Hamilton's been putting up points here and there but he has not been playing well. It's been painfully obvious how much improvement he needs to make on D. He's in the same situation as a lot of the young guys who had hot starts in January because they had played half a season in the AHL already, like Conacher. Start strong, hit a wall. Honestly, it's exactly the same thing that happened to Larsson last year.

If anything, Brodin is gonna be the one that makes both us and Boston look stupid.
 

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Teams know we'll drop pass at the blue line. They know we'll chip it in and come at them from the lower half of the circle. And they know that the d will shoot from the corners of the blue line.

Basically, they know that we'll show a minimum of creativity when Elias is on the bench.

Man, if there's any reason to play Larsson, it's for that tipped pass play in the slot. Something different from the blueline at least.

I swear, half his AHL assists came on plays like that. Considering how often we kick the puck back out to the point from the boards, I'm amazed Larsson hasn't gotten lucky on a few of those already. The worst part is how that was a team strength last year, but I guess those sorts of shots depend a lot on luck. It'd be real nice to see some bounces go our way for a stretch.
 

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i don't understand this obsession with hamilton at all.

A) It's mostly one guy that has an obsession with him. The one guy that's become such a black cloud he makes Randy Quaid from Major League look like a ball of sunshine.
B) He was the next defenseman picked after Larsson and has contributed more to this point.

Of course let's ignore the fact that Hamilton can play with Chara and with a strong team around him, being allowed to develop properly while Larsson is a healthy scratch half the time on a team with the best defenseman is Andy Greene and hasn't been allowed to develop offensively this year.

I'm starting to believe if Pete had Hamilton he'd have screwed him up the same way regardless.
 

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A) It's mostly one guy that has an obsession with him. The one guy that's become such a black cloud he makes Randy Quaid from Major League look like a ball of sunshine.
B) He was the next defenseman picked after Larsson and has contributed more to this point.

Of course let's ignore the fact that Hamilton can play with Chara and with a strong team around him, being allowed to develop properly while Larsson is a healthy scratch half the time on a team with the best defenseman is Andy Greene and hasn't been allowed to develop offensively this year.

I'm starting to believe if Pete had Hamilton he'd have screwed him up the same way regardless.

Hahaha pretty much this exactly.
 
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