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2013 LA Kings Draft Thread

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My memory might be shoddy but I remember Slepyshev as hands only tunnel vision player.
 
bmr said:
Thanks for the reply. 1st and 2nd Rounders I'd use on forwards/defensemen. Not to say I wouldn't draft a goalie, but it would have to be one HELL of a prospect. Take a look at all the really successful goalies and where they were drafted. Patrick Roy - round 3. Jonathan Quick - round 3. Ryan Miller - round 5. Henrik Lundqvist - round 7. Pekka Rinne - round 8. Tim Thomas - round 9.
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The same can be said about any position really. If you look at each teams top 4 D-men, half come from outside the top 3 rounds, same with a teams top 6 forwards (though not in LA's case interestingly).

In each draft there are only 90 players selected in the first three rounds, and there are approximately 750 NHL players each season, so it'd take every player drafted in the first three rounds for over eight straight years to fill out the NHL with only top three picks. Players come from all ranges, from first overall picks to unsigned college kids and older europeans. That's why we can't close our mind to any realm of possibility, whether it being going the bargain basement route of low end picks, or going into the first round.

And for the record, it would have to take one HELL of a prospect for me to use a first round pick on anyone, regardless of position.

bmr said:
To me, the best forwards and defensemen in the draft are easier to trade than goalies. Look at all the trouble dealing Bernier and he's stellar.
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We don't know if that's because no one wants Bernier, or if DL's price is to high. Based on reports of allegedly wanting a 1st and another good pick/player/prospect, he may be asking to much.

bmr said:
Many of those 1st round goalies haven't amounted to much (yet). Brodeur is obviously quite accomplished. None of the others have done much. Fleury won a cup one but Cloutier could have won with that team.
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To say Cloutier could have won a cup with that team isn't at all fair. Should we discredit Grant Fuhr for the cups he got in Edmonton because your local peewee goalie could have won games there?

Bottom line is he won a cup, and guided Pittsburgh to another finals appearance. That's something not many have done in back to back years.

What they have done is all relative, but each of those goalies is a starting netminder, and the fact remains that if you want to get a starting netminder in this league, odds are you'll have to pony up a high asset (draft pick wise). Half the leagues starters, and half the netminders period, come from the top three rounds of the draft.

Yes, we could get a Tim Thomas, or a Antti Neimi or a Sergei Bobrovsky, but stats prove, your greatest chance of landing a starting netminder is to draft one, and draft one early. That same statistic plays out for all positions.

bmr said:
I never said don't use a 1-4 round pick on a goalie. Where did you see that?
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I got you and stonehedge mixed up. My bad, I'm sorry for the confusion.
 
bmr said:
Take a look at all the really successful goalies and where they were drafted. Patrick Roy - round 3. Jonathan Quick - round 3. Ryan Miller - round 5. Henrik Lundqvist - round 7. Pekka Rinne - round 8. Tim Thomas - round 9.
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How are you defining "really successful"? And Roy, Quick, Miller, Lundqvist, Rinne, and Thomas, are all the "really successful" goalies in the period stretching back that far? Really? As long as we're being arbitrary we may as well go back another couple years and point out that Grant Fuhr was drafted 8th overall.

I think based on the draft, you can say that the most successful players in the 1st/2nd rounds have been forwards/defenseman.
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Well of course they are, teams field a whole lot more defensemen and forwards than goalies, therefore more of them will be drafted, and thus there will be more chances for superstars to arise from the group. You could equally say that there have been a lot more failed forwards and defensemen in the 1st/2nd rounds. Do we really know whether the success/bust proportion is any worse for goalies in early rounds? I don't think we do, and I personally have my doubts that it is statistically much different at all.
 
Can you guys tell me where to watch these prospects? Outside of the few televised tournaments, YouTube and scouting reports where do you guys get your info from? Is there a streaming site where I can watch major junior games?
 
For some odd reason im really feeling curtis lazar this year. He's gonna be a sleeper pick and he fits in our model very well. I know we don't need another Centermen but if we get him, it makes a lot of our other players expandable.

Just saying, keep an eye on lazar, he's going to be special.
 
I hope we get Matt Martin + Isles #1 (15th) for Bernier and select
Anthony Mantha. We must start developing our own LW's
that can score goals.
 
If the Kings can manage to get in the mid-to-late first round, I'd like to see them take a shot on Valentin Zykov. The guy is a power-forward with a nose for the net who has a tremendous shot. Very raw. Seems like a Lombardi-type pick.
 
DaAnimal said:
For some odd reason im really feeling curtis lazar this year. He's gonna be a sleeper pick and he fits in our model very well. I know we don't need another Centermen but if we get him, it makes a lot of our other players expandable.

Just saying, keep an eye on lazar, he's going to be special.
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He is on my radar too. There is nothing not to like about him and I have seen him simply take over a couple of games the last two years. He could be really solid.
 
McSorley 33 said:
Looks like the Kings will have a 1st round draft pick this year. Who do you guys like?

Wanting to draft a stud defensemen like VV.
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I LA lands a 1st in the middle of the round I'd like to see them trade down and add a 2nd rd pick. Draft Hagg on D and Jacob De la Rose at LW. With our late 2nd I'd take Anthony Duclair who has some of the same offensive traits as Drouin. Another possible VV type is Madison Bowey
 
If it's NYI's first at 15 overall, we have to get Wennberg. Kid is the real deal, plays LW and center, and is solid defensively. Plus he's got some speed, which we need.
 
I'll take a stab with the 57th selection to LA.

John Hayden C/RW 6'3 221 going to Yale in the Fall

USU18 National Team
53 gms 17g 17a 80pim

"Compares to Scott Hartnell"

I know he's a C/RW, but the upside is there, and I'm not employed by anything hockey related.
 
DP said:
I'll take a stab with the 57th selection to LA.

John Hayden C/RW 6'3 221 going to Yale in the Fall

USU18 National Team
53 gms 17g 17a 80pim

"Compares to Scott Hartnell"

I know he's a C/RW, but the upside is there, and I'm not employed by anything hockey related.
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I've got this inkling Dean tries hard to move up to get Jacob de la Rose. He's really a "Dean" kinda guy. Two way player who can score but good defensively and a hell of a hitter. IIRC he's a RWer.
 
cnshockey said:
I've got this inkling Dean tries hard to move up to get Jacob de la Rose. He's really a "Dean" kinda guy. Two way player who can score but good defensively and a hell of a hitter. IIRC he's a RWer.
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Having seen video on him and watching him in two games I really like his game. He's also been listed as a LW so that would fill a need as well. Reminds me a bit of one of my all time favorite Kings Tomas Sandstrom. Unfortunately he doesn't have his lethal shot
 
I think if we stay at 56 there are 3 players I see as Futa/Yanetti type picks....

Justin Bailey C Kitchener OHL- 6'3 195lbs
Emile Poirier LW Gatineau QMJHL- 6'0 170lbs same team has Hyka
Zach Nastasiuk, C Owen Sound- 6'1 191lbs

Those 3 I can see being there, for some reason in the past Swede's, Czech's or Finn's aren't on DL's radar.
 
KingsCorona said:
How are you defining "really successful"? And Roy, Quick, Miller, Lundqvist, Rinne, and Thomas, are all the "really successful" goalies in the period stretching back that far? Really? As long as we're being arbitrary we may as well go back another couple years and point out that Grant Fuhr was drafted 8th overall.


Well of course they are, teams field a whole lot more defensemen and forwards than goalies, therefore more of them will be drafted, and thus there will be more chances for superstars to arise from the group. You could equally say that there have been a lot more failed forwards and defensemen in the 1st/2nd rounds. Do we really know whether the success/bust proportion is any worse for goalies in early rounds? I don't think we do, and I personally have my doubts that it is statistically much different at all.
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Really successful, as in winning a Stanley Cup and/or having successful NHL careers. Drafting a goalie seems like much more of a crap shoot than forwards/defense (especially in the 1st round). Remember when we had those 3 picks in 2003? We should have KILLED that draft. Instead, we took Dustin Brown (ok, that's fine) and Tambellini and Boyle? I mean, WTF man.... it doesn't make any sense to draft 'projects' or take unnecessary gambles on draft day. I would always go with best available and use the later picks on guys that have more potential. It seems like Lombardi is great at finding guys in the 2-4 round who have dropped in value (Voynov, Toffoli to name a couple).
 
kingsfan said:
To say Cloutier could have won a cup with that team isn't at all fair. Should we discredit Grant Fuhr for the cups he got in Edmonton because your local peewee goalie could have won games there?

Bottom line is he won a cup, and guided Pittsburgh to another finals appearance. That's something not many have done in back to back years.

What they have done is all relative, but each of those goalies is a starting netminder, and the fact remains that if you want to get a starting netminder in this league, odds are you'll have to pony up a high asset (draft pick wise). Half the leagues starters, and half the netminders period, come from the top three rounds of the draft.

Yes, we could get a Tim Thomas, or a Antti Neimi or a Sergei Bobrovsky, but stats prove, your greatest chance of landing a starting netminder is to draft one, and draft one early. That same statistic plays out for all positions.



I got you and stonehedge mixed up. My bad, I'm sorry for the confusion.
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Agree with a lot of this. I think we are all lucky as Kings fans to have not worried about a goaltender the last 3-4 years. Quick/Bernier tandem could go down as one of the best this team will ever seen.

It does seem like Lombardi/Hextall/Ranford have a great knack for finding and developing goaltending talent. I think Ranford is actually a bigger key to success than a lot of people on the outside think. Combine that with a really strong defensive system and the goalie is set up in a position to succeed.

Call me crazy but I think Scrivens will do excellent for us. For the money, I like him as a backup. Can't do much better than that for his caphit. Seems like a really good team guy also.
 
palffytofrovlov said:
I think if we stay at 56 there are 3 players I see as Futa/Yanetti type picks....

Justin Bailey C Kitchener OHL- 6'3 195lbs
Emile Poirier LW Gatineau QMJHL- 6'0 170lbs same team has Hyka
Zach Nastasiuk, C Owen Sound- 6'1 191lbs

Those 3 I can see being there, for some reason in the past Swede's, Czech's or Finn's aren't on DL's radar.
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We've grabbed guys in the past, like Schumacher, Moller, Hyka, etc. We don't seem to be to keen on Euro's in general, but we do grab someone from overseas at least once per draft much of the time.

bmr said:
Really successful, as in winning a Stanley Cup and/or having successful NHL careers. Drafting a goalie seems like much more of a crap shoot than forwards/defense (especially in the 1st round). Remember when we had those 3 picks in 2003? We should have KILLED that draft. Instead, we took Dustin Brown (ok, that's fine) and Tambellini and Boyle? I mean, WTF man.... it doesn't make any sense to draft 'projects' or take unnecessary gambles on draft day. I would always go with best available and use the later picks on guys that have more potential. It seems like Lombardi is great at finding guys in the 2-4 round who have dropped in value (Voynov, Toffoli to name a couple).
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I remember Scotty Bowman talking after the 2000 draft about why the Wings would grab some skinny as a bean pole defenseman in the first round and he talked about how the kid needed time to develop but had a lot of intangibles as a prospects and that he was a very good project to work with in hopes he'd be ready in 4-5 years. That was Niklas Kronwall.

I hate drafting projects early in the draft (such as Hickey, even though I will still defend the kid) but late 1st round, there's nothing wrong with a project. And really, Tambellini wasn't a project, he was expected to go around there and was viewed as a damn good goalscorer.

And he was, just everywhere BUT the NHL, lol.

bmr said:
Call me crazy but I think Scrivens will do excellent for us. For the money, I like him as a backup. Can't do much better than that for his caphit. Seems like a really good team guy also.
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I 100% agree. I think Scrivens is highly undervalued in this deal. Is he a Bernier? No, but for what his role is, he'll do very well and can be counted on to be a semi-starter in a pinch, a lot like Scott Clemenssen did for Marty Broduer several years ago. Scrivens has posted very good numbers everywhere he's played. His save percentages throughout his career are very good almost every season, whether in college, ECHL, AHL or NHL and he for a while was pushing Reimer for the starter job earlier in this past season.
 
Another 7 rounder I did in the mock draft forum:

57. Los Angeles Kings Oliver Bjorkstrand LW R 5'11" 164 1995-04-10 Portland Winterhawks (WHL) NA 036
88. Los Angeles Kings Mason Geertsen D L 6'4" 203 1995-04-19 Vancouver Giants (WHL) NA 059
96. Los Angeles Kings (CAR) Cal Peterson G R 6'2" 180 1994-10-19 Waterloo (USHL) NAG 004
103. Los Angeles Kings (PHO/CBJ/PHI) Alex Coulumbe D L 6'4" 189 1995-02-11 Stanstead (CAHS) NA 068
118. Los Angeles Kings Zach Yuen D L 6'0" 203 1993-03-03 Tri-City Americans (WHL) NA NR
146. Los Angeles Kings (MTL/NSH/MTL) Cole Ully LW L 5'11" 165 1995-02-20 Kamloops Blazers (WHL) NA 092
148. Los Angeles Kings Jean-Sebastien Dea C R 6'0" 160 1994-02-08 Rouyn-Noranda Huskies (QMJHL) NA 152
177. Los Angeles Kings Nikolas Brouillard D L 5'10" 148 1995-02-07 Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL) NA 099
191. Los Angeles Kings (DAL) Luka Gracnar G L 5'10" 187 1993-10-31 Salzburg (AUS) ING 003
208. Los Angeles Kings Quentin Shore C R 6'0" 181 1994-05-25 Denver (NCAA) NA NR

Thoughts? Size isnt there, but some great potential.
 
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