Synergy27
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Just wanted to direct you to my join date in case you think I'm new around here.
I'm not trying to disrespect you man, but the whole "we'll need to wait and see" thing is obvious.
Pre-Game Talk: 2013-2014 Training Camp/Preseason Discussion Thread Part 2
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Just wanted to direct you to my join date in case you think I'm new around here.
I'm not trying to disrespect you man, but the whole "we'll need to wait and see" thing is obvious.
Clown Fiesta
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I thought McIlrath looked very solid, better than Falk IMO. You can tell he's really matured, making very smart plays with the puck and his stick work is getting much better. Had a few miscues but so did a lot of guys. His skating didn't stick out in a negative way either. Going to have to see him in some preseason games to really assess him, from what little we saw today it's hard to determine one way or the other where he deserves to be.
Im sorry that you think its obvious but its the normal thing to say for a rookie unless its a top draft pick. As a diehard Ranger and Lindberg fan i hope he becomes a star
Zil
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You're asking someone to prove a negative (i.e. that Lindberg isn't a star/superstar) about an unknown. What kind of answers were you expecting? If you prematurely use terms like that, then these are the kinds of answers you're going to get. You're the one who threw the words Zetterberg and superstar out there. The burden of proof should be on you. We're all very encouraged, but do you think Lindberg is going to reach those heights?
I believe Zetterberg is actually a really good comparison, although expecting him to put up Zetterberg point totals is a little lofty. Zetterberg is extremely shifty and very few players in the league use their line mates like he does. I expect Lindberg to top out at around 50 points, but would not be surprised if he exceeds it.
I see Lindberg as being our 2C behind Stepan for years to come. I do think there will be stretches of games where they will be interchangeable though, and that's a good thing.
Alot of talent at the C position, the only question is if the three of Stepan, Brassard and Lindberg can consistently utilize that talent.
I see Lindberg as being our 2C behind Stepan for years to come. I do think there will be stretches of games where they will be interchangeable though, and that's a good thing.
Alot of talent at the C position, the only question is if the three of Stepan, Brassard and Lindberg can consistently utilize that talent.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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No. Always on the correct side of the puck before attacking, not overly big but use their frame correctly, not a "dynamic" stickhandler but good quick hands, amongst other things. But thanks for adding nothing to the conversation.
The Gloaming
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Pretty excited to be going to the preseason game tomorrow. Although I was hoping that Lindberg and Fast would be playing.
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The Gloaming
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Ive found its difficult for intelligent people to add anything of substance to a stupid conversation.
There's nothing stupid about this conversation. They have alot of similarities. It's a fair point. Do I think Lindberg will put up as many points and create as much offense as Zetterberg? No, like I said, Zetterberg uses his teammates extremely well, is more shifty than Lindberg, and sees the offensive zone better from what I have seen of Lindberg so far.
But everyone has to start somewhere. Were people expecting Zetterberg or Datsyuk to come into the NHL and put up a PPG or close to it? No. And yes, I understand Datsyuk has a completely different skillset and is not comparable, but that's beside the point.
I'm not saying he will reach that level this year either. Only time will tell. The kid is only 21.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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You're welcome.
You described any number of players. But saying someone will be like another save the offense is really a weak comparison.
So thank you for adding nothing.
So? There are alot of similar players in the NHL. You're just coming off as a complete ********* right now. At least I have some analysis in my posts.
It's not a weak comparison if its accurate.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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It is weak when you're adding caveats. And that means its not accurate.
If there are siimilar players in the NHL, find one where you don't have to take out that whole offense production thing.
What's next Dino Ciccarelli was Sean Avery but could score?
The fact is no one knows what Lindberg is yet. Right now he's an interesting package. To compare him to an All Star and Conn Sythe winner is an inane. Analysis o'plenty. Enjoy.
And I could care less how I come off. My track record is pretty clear here.
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Synergy27
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I was expecting someone who has seen Lindberg play a bit explain to me what exactly the shortcomings in his game are which warrant the relatively low expectations of him. I didn't say he was going to be a superstar or ask someone to prove to me that he won't be, I asked anyone who might know to share with me the flaws in his game that will eventually prevent him from being a star player in the NHL.
Is he too slow? Is he lacking hockey IQ? Is his shot weak?
Of course the odds of him becoming a superstar are long - they're long for everybody. Of course we'll have to wait and see. How this got derailed into a pissing match is beyond me.
Synergy27
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I don't even see why this caveat needs to be applied to Lindberg. The kid scored at a very similar level to Zetterberg in the SEL. Zetterberg was also a 40 point NHL player before the lockout. Is 40 points for Lindberg in his first NHL season really that much of a stretch? If so, why? That's all I'm trying to ascertain here.
Synergy27
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Just quoting my original post because:
a. I wanted to make sure I wasn't going crazy
b. I'm sure most people are responding to responses and hadn't even read the original question
I know it's camp, and the young guys are fighting for a spot, but McIlrath isn't gonna go out there a lay crushing open ice hits on guys like Brassard and Nash. Nor is he going to bully the opposition, which are his teammates.
Hard for him to play "his game" in a situation like today. His positioning, his passing and his skating all looked fine to me.
Quite frankly the only guy that stood out to me was McDonagh, everyone else was just kind of there.
McIlrath's tryout is in the preseason.
Hard for him to play "his game" in a situation like today. His positioning, his passing and his skating all looked fine to me.
Quite frankly the only guy that stood out to me was McDonagh, everyone else was just kind of there.
McIlrath's tryout is in the preseason.
Raspewtin
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totally agree on McIlrath. Why would he lay these huge hits on a teammate? I really hope he plays against NJ tomorrow, in place of Bickel
totally agree on McIlrath. Why would he lay these huge hits on a teammate? I really hope he plays against NJ tomorrow, in place of Bickel
Yup, don't think he'll get tested better than against the Devils. He should be playing.
Raspewtin
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I did like his showing in the scrimmage today. Made good decisions with the puck, skated better than I thought he would, generally looked like a better player. Which is good.
BBKers
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I do agree with you in the part that I think that Lindberg is nothing like Henrik Zetterberg. A bit more like a young Thomas Steen (if you want a Swedish comparison) minus the bull leg strength, wrist shot and uncanny sense for placement that Steen had. Lindbergs progression the past 2 years has been quite spectacular and has amongst things earned him a spot on the pre Olympic roster for Sweden. That presumptive "team" now includes the following forwards (includes Lindberg amongst 15 established NHL players and 3 outside the NHL):
Forwards:
Daniel Alfredsson, Detroit (new)
Patrik Berglund, St. Louis
Nicklas Bäckström, Washington
Loui Eriksson, Dallas
Johan Franzén, Detroit
Carl Hagelin, New York Rangers
Patric Hörnqvist, Nashville
Marcus Johansson, Washington
Marcus Krüger, Chicago
Gabriel Landeskog, Colorado
Gustav Nyquist, Detroit/Grand Rapids
Daniel Sedin, Vancouver
Henrik Sedin, Vancouver
Alexander Steen, St. Louis
Henrik Zetterberg, Detroit
Oscar Lindberg, Skellefteå
Jimmie Ericsson, Skellefteå
Niklas Persson, Rapperswil
Joel Lundqvist, Frölunda
Quite the group to be part of IMO. Here is a list of some of the professional names of Swedish players not included on the invitation to the Olympics (maybe gives you a slight picture of where his player value is now in the eyes of Team Sweden management and where he is on his development curve):
- Rickard Rakell
- Jakob Silfverberg
- Carl Söderberg
- Elias Lindholm
- Victor Rask
- Joakim Andersson
- Calle Järnkrok
- Mikael Samuelsson
- Anton Lander
- Filip Forsberg
- Jesper Fast
- Viktor Stålberg
- Jacob Josefson
- Linus Omark
- Mattias Tedenby
- Mika Zibanejad
- Magnus Pääjärvi
- Hampus Lindholm
- Marcus Johansson
- Carl Klingberg
- Tom Wandell (KHL)
- Niclas Bergfors (KHL)
- Tony MÃ¥rtensson (KHL)
- Nicklas Danielsson (KHL)
- Martin Thörnberg (KHL)
- Andreas Engqvist (KHL)
- David Ullström (KHL)
- Robert Nilsson (Zürich Switzerland)
That a 21 year old has not played a game on NHL ice yet is one thing of course. And comparing him with HZ is IMO not justice to anything or anyone. But the kid is growing fast and has very interesting high end potential as an excellent 2 way center, that much is ever clear. Very excited to have him in our organisation.
Some quotes on the Werek <=> Lindberg trade from these boards
Thanks RS.
Just what we need, more 3rd line players
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